Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 22nd, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Beirdo:

OK, this metadata hash stuff is ummm... not easily extended for pics, it seems

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Beirdo:

but maybe I'm judging prematurely

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sphery:

metadata hash, as in the one used for video?

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sphery:

it may be assuming too large a file for images

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Beirdo:

it's assuming videos

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wagnerrp:

it will work on anything 64KB or larger

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

as in the data isn't too... useful for images, it seems

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sphery:

and, really, do we want hashes for images?

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Beirdo:

do we want to rescan thousands of images over and over?

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sphery:

if we allow transforms (rotate, exif editing, etc.), the "source" file will change

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sphery:

well, the hash only helps when the filename changes

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Beirdo:

hmm, true

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sphery:

but if you want to support moving them...

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Beirdo:

I do

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wagnerrp:

enhance

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sphery:

though it may be easier to just put a tag in the image using exif or whatever...

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wagnerrp:

ka-chink ka-chink ka-chink ka-chink

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Beirdo:

otherwise that the heck is the use of storage groups? :)

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Beirdo:

read-only images... remember?

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sphery:

http://www.phash.org/

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Beirdo:

any mods, rotation, etc would have to be in the database

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Beirdo:

OK, this is hurting my brain :)

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sphery:

btw, I wasn't actually recommending phash

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it looks interesting, but not right now

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

and not really that necessary on a "single user" scale

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Beirdo:

I think the first thing to do is to just transition the storage as is

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Beirdo:

THEN consider scanning

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Beirdo:

I'm overthinking

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Beirdo:

hmmm, what's this iconview crud? :)

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Beirdo:

I think I should rsync my gallery home soon

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sphery:

that sounds like a good plan

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

poor Mr. Teo En Ming... still looking for help

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wagnerrp:

again?

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sphery:

again

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wagnerrp:

bummer, over there, all by himself

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

how was your little isolated universe over there?

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Beirdo:

WB from your personal netsplit, [$]

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Beirdo:

[R] rather.

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

did i lose?

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[R]:

i hate when i lose

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OMG, I can't believe I actually survived without using mythtv :)

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kormoc:

for those of you who hate phone books as much as I do, http://www.yellowpagesoptout.com/

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wagnerrp:

but then what would we used for mcguyverish bulletproofing?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I use the old steel cases laying around

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wagnerrp:

meh, 2mil steel isnt going to do much

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kormoc:

depends how many old boxes one has laying around

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wagnerrp:

2mil or 0.2mm? i know its one of those but dont remember which

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kormoc:

I'd say it's 0.2 as it's about as thick as pencil lead

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wagnerrp:

who ever came up with the idea of measuring stuff in milli-inches anyway....

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OMG, when will these idiots STOP adding me to Yahoo groups that are clearly spam?

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kormoc:

http://wireupdate.com/entertainment/00451/con . . . e-televised/

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kormoc:

amazingly classy

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Beirdo:

HAH

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Beirdo:

I thought so

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Beirdo:

Covert Affairs... new USA Network show... shot in Toronto

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wagnerrp:

but but... they said its at Langly, VA

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it was the subway scene that gave it away for me

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Beirdo:

there's a section of subway UNDER the main subway in downtown Toronto that is used by many many movies

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[R]:

a subway under the subway

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[R]:

TRIPPY

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Beirdo:

it's not used for transit, so it's easily reworked to look like whatever city

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Beirdo:

they were going to make it two-level there, but never did in the end

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Beirdo:

under the Bay St station on the Bloor-Danforth line

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[R]:

harold and kumar was filmed partly in canada eh

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[R]:

even though it took place in NJ

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

a LOT of TV and movies are shot in Canada

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Beirdo:

then there's Rookie Blue

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Beirdo:

it's even SET in Toronto

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Beirdo:

but they Americanize it anyways. Stoopid

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wagnerrp:

wrong police uniforms?

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sphery:

So, any trunk users who know whether MythTV ignores "modified" keys from LIRC? I.e. Alt+Esc or Ctrl+T or whatever?

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Beirdo:

no, correct uniforms, correct cars...

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sphery:

It does in my 0.23-fixes, and I'm wondering if it still does in trunk.

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Beirdo:

but they flash money thats $US

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Beirdo:

they mix up street names

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Beirdo:

but it's recognizably Toronto

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sphery:

Flashpoint is shot /and/ set in Canada

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Beirdo:

that one I haven't seen yet

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sphery:

it's actually quite good

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sphery:

I didn't expect much of it, but actually like it a lot

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

I will add it :)

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sphery:

I was really happy that it didn't get cancelled after the first season and then they're actually airing 3rd season this summer

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Beirdo:

urgh

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Beirdo:

this isn't Castle

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Beirdo:

this is Rookie Blue

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

Rookie mistake

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Beirdo:

and I've already watched it

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Beirdo:

that's twice now that it's failed.

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sphery:

so I take it you and wagnerrp don't use Alt+Esc

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wagnerrp:

s/Alt+Esc/trunk/

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

I thought you were on trunk\

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Beirdo:

I wonder if I need to add some delay into the channel changing script for the 1-character channel numbers

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Beirdo:

I use trunk

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sphery:

do you use any key modifiers? like Alt+Esc for exit?

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Beirdo:

so far it's failed to change channels twice going to 4

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Beirdo:

um, nope

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sphery:

maybe you need a select?

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Beirdo:

I do digit delay digit delay enter delay exit delay

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kormoc:

directtv?

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sphery:

Woah... An enter key and an exit key... That's so door like.

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Beirdo:

of course it is possible that the show changed

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Beirdo:

yes, directtv

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kormoc:

it's $45 to get usb channel changing

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kormoc:

2xusb to serial adapters and a serial null modem

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Beirdo:

yeah, but I found that out AFTER getting it all setup

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kormoc:

it's actually really nice

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

power on/off, query for what channel you are on, receiver status, etc

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Beirdo:

is the directtv box picky about which USB/serial you use on that end?

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kormoc:

Aye, but the pl2303 is fine and fairly common

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Beirdo:

K. I'll have to see what I can find once I go to doing it

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Beirdo:

I have one H24, 2 D12

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Beirdo:

right now.

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Beirdo:

so far the only failures I've noticed have been changing to channel 4

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kormoc:

ooh, cheaper then I thought, they're $15 each, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007T27H8/ref=oss_product

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kormoc:

that's what I'm using

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Beirdo:

sweet. using known good ones is a good thing

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Beirdo:

and Amazon Prime eligible to boot :)

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kormoc:

and the null modem adapter is only $1.50, http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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Beirdo:

yup, sounds about right

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kormoc:

I like the fact that I can query and make sure it tuned correctly

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Beirdo:

yah, that's super cool

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kormoc:

if it doesn't, return a error so the backend actually knows it failed and isn't recording crap

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Beirdo:

that's nice

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Beirdo:

I shall bookmark the dongle on amazon :)

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Beirdo:

having to get 6 of em.. hehe

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wagnerrp:

what ever happened to that guy in here a couple months ago who drew up a schematic for a single USB->USB unit

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Beirdo:

wouldn't be hard

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Beirdo:

the hard part is making sure you have the chip that the Directv box wants

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Beirdo:

although it runs Linux, so I'd THINK it should be able to use FTDI

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Beirdo:

but they likely didn't include that module

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Beirdo:

still gonna look into making a USB dongle with power control for the HDPVR though

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Beirdo:

one-off parts, it would be $30ish, I think

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Beirdo:

and like $15 of that is the USB/serial cable (I was going to use FTDI for the good Linux driver capabilities)

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** sphery wonders if Alt+Esc should be Alt (0x8000000) + Esc (0x1000000) = 0x9000000 when we pass it through or if it should be Esc and modifiers should be Alt **

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sphery:

because we're passing through 0x9000000

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

it would be more likely Alt | Esc to be picky

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Beirdo:

ends up with the same value in this case, but may not in every case

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sphery:

yeah, but it seems that since a QKeyEvent has both a key and modifiers they would be separate

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Beirdo:

yeah, one would think

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Beirdo:

OMG, this rsync is taking forever :)

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Beirdo:

but IPv6 is nice :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

when we use the keyboard, key is 0x1000000 and modifiers is 0x8000000

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sphery:

I'm starting to think our LIRC modifier handling is borked

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Beirdo:

that's possible

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sphery:

// lirc_code2char will make code point to a static datafer..

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sphery:

wonder if that's a typo or something I don't understand

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kormoc:

what's a datafer?

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wagnerrp:

storing information

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kormoc:

heh

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Beirdo:

probably a mistype of data buffer

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kormoc:

danielk wrote it if you wanted to ask

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sphery:

probably won't help with the issue I"m working on now...

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sphery:

but good to know it's not something that everyone else understands

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Beirdo:

neah, we're all lost together, I think

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larrikin:

a datafer is like a null pointfer, but different.

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Beirdo:

is it like an aquifer?

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larrikin:

if you need it to be.

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** sphery has working mod keys in LIRC **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, did you resync the libs?

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sphery:

heh, users were saying that it didn't work since 0.22, but we never got a good bug report

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sphery:

no, it got broken with the original conversion to use the libs

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iamlindoro:

ahhh

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sphery:

been broken since 0.21-fixes :)

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sphery:

(well, it worked in 0.21-fixes, but got broken before 0.22)

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sphery:

And the funny part is that we've fixed a few other modifier-related bugs since then, but unrelated to the LIRC modifier bug.

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sphery:

so no one knew what was what

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

glad you got it fixed

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Beirdo:

unborking old bugs is always a good thing

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sphery:

I'll boot up my dev box (was working on the production box since it's the only one I've configured LIRC on) and copy over the lirc lib sync and then start running with that for a while then maybe commit it to trunk. (The modifier fix will go to trunk and will likely get pushed to -fixes shortly after.)

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sphery:

that way I can do some sanity checking of the lib sync before inflicting it on others

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Beirdo:

likely smart :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: true, but--unfortunately--I don't get to close a ticket for this old bug

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sphery:

(sounds like a Bob Vila show)

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Beirdo:

awww

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[R]:

omg

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[R]:

this guy at my work is named steve thomas

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[R]:

its so freaky

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wagnerrp:

yeah, seriously

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sphery:

leaves me wondering who exactly steve thomas is

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sphery:

well, besides some guy at your work

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[R]:

steve thomas was like bob vila's helper

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[R]:

on this old house

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sphery:

oh, yeah

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sphery:

I never knew his name

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[R]:

not norm abrams

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sphery:

I recognize him in pictures, though

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[R]:

the other guy

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Beirdo:

I haven't watched that in so long

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[R]:

when i was a kid

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[R]:

i had a little tool belt

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[R]:

and i'd put it on when i watched

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sphery:

Yeah, I know Norm. Well, I don't know him, but I would recognize his name.

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sphery:

I have 79 episodes of New Yankee Workshop recorded.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

that's freakin awesome

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[R]:

they stil air that stuff?

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** [R] checks his mythweb **

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[R]:

only 1 in 2 weeks? how lame

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[R]:

ooo

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[R]:

this old house in HD

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** [R] totally records it **

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[R]:

Hosted By: Kevin O'Connor

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[R]:

who the hell is that?

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Beirdo:

some dude

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[R]:

obviously...

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Beirdo:

still rsyncing

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Beirdo:

sent 4193109673 bytes received 78303 bytes 358438.09 bytes/sec

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, I have a lot of pictures

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sphery:

wow, lots

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

you see why I don't wanna be remaking thumbs, etc all the time :)

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wagnerrp:

meh, that could be a little over a hundred 12MP raws

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Beirdo:

more like 4100 pictures

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Beirdo:

I don't do raws :)

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sphery:

PBM ftw!

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

many of these are film scans from my negatives

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sphery:

I was watching a TV show where they found some old film negatives, and on of the guys said, "I have a scanner that can do negatives. I'll see what's in it."

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

won't negatives work on any scanner--given software to invert the image?

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Beirdo:

my film scanner was *expensive*

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Beirdo:

not at decent resolution, no

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Beirdo:

mines 5400DPI

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sphery:

right, but could do it

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Beirdo:

yeah, could

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AndyCap:

sphery: would be dark without backlight though

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sphery:

so yours shines light through then captures the "enlarged" image?

[03:55:45]

Beirdo:

yep

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sphery:

cool

[03:56:00]

sphery:

I've never done any film scanning

[03:56:01]

Beirdo:

it's specially designed for film negatives (and slides) only

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: which one?

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sphery:

AndyCap: yeah, but you could make it work well enough to "see what's in it"

[03:56:35]

Beirdo:

Konica-Minolta, forget the model #

[03:56:43]

Beirdo:

it's in the other room

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justinh:

heh my totally ghetto poor-man's camera stabiliser is still a big fat fail

[04:00:41]

justinh:

I might cough up $20 for some plans after all

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wagnerrp:

all it is is a gimbal mount with a counterweight

[04:01:37]

justinh:

yeah AFAIK you're always better off with a dedicated film/neg scanner

[04:01:47]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah I know, but balancing it is a cow

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Beirdo:

heh

[04:01:55]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[04:02:06]

Beirdo:

OK, found something mythgallery needs to fix...

[04:02:21]

justinh:

I scanned some negs once with my ordinary scanner. it was yucky

[04:02:25]

Beirdo:

my pics that are supposed to be rotated... aren't?

[04:02:35]

Beirdo:

but info says 90deg

[04:02:45]

justinh:

somebody else was on about that the other day

[04:02:50]

justinh:

think they opened a ticket for it

[04:02:55]

Beirdo:

I wonder if I rotated them, and the exif never got fixed, or if it's actually a problem

[04:03:10]

Beirdo:

well, I have enough pics I should be able to deal with it ;)

[04:03:18]

Beirdo:

and the previews are crap

[04:03:32]

Beirdo:

it's like they resize, and use a blur filter

[04:03:54]

justinh:

maybe using qt's fastest resize option

[04:03:58]

Beirdo:

but I have a significant number of pics to test with now

[04:04:06]

justinh:

it's very dirty.. and tbh not that quick either

[04:04:26]

Beirdo:

including a pile I will be deleting from this config as I don't really need to see pics of my ex right now

[04:04:29]

Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

the difference is very noticable, and since 4.5 the speed difference is prolly minimal anyway

[04:04:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, that wouldn't surprise me

[04:05:12]

justinh:

when I was mucking about with rotation in the painter I didn't notice that much of a speed difference with qt's render tips

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justinh:

but image quality.. oh boy

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Beirdo:

if you guys ever want some half decent pics of downtown Toronto as seen from Center Island, let me know

[04:07:24]

Beirdo:

this is making me wanna go over to Bainbridge Island some weekend and get good shots of Seattle

[04:09:27]

sphery:

could it also be an embedded thumbnail in the image that's being scaled up to the mythfrontend size?

[04:09:35]

Beirdo:

nope

[04:09:41]

Beirdo:

these don't have embedded thumbs

[04:09:44]

sphery:

oh

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Beirdo:

I know as I scanned em myself :)

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sphery:

I don't even know if MG uses them.... just a thought

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Beirdo:

well, some are right from the digital camera

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justinh:

like er.. my rotated menu button images looked jaggy with one type of operation – the quickest – scrolling past the buttons were a blur. with the best type of rendering the buttons were slightly less of a blur

[04:10:26]

amdpox:

Anyone know whether mythtv can use the GMA HD in the new i5 chips to decode video?

[04:10:27]

sphery:

AndyCap: not yet, but soon

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sphery:

er, amdpox ^^^

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sphery:

at least I probably didn't wake AndyCap ...

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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amdpox:

sphery: ok, how soon we talking? Next stable release?

[04:11:05]

justinh:

heh intel doing hd viddycoding in loonix now?

[04:11:08]

sphery:

amdpox: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8593

[04:11:09]

Beirdo:

I should try that vaapi patch real soon

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amdpox:

sphery: thanks, will read

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sphery:

amdpox: so, "when it's ready" :)

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Beirdo:

justinh: have been for quite a while

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Beirdo:

:)

[04:11:54]

justinh:

when it's been properly included in trunk... then you can more or less be assured it'll be in the next release

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AndyCap:

sphery: zzzzz. huh, whaT?

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Beirdo:

justinh: yeah. It's being tested right now

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** AndyCap is looking forward to va-api too **

[04:12:24]

justinh:

Beirdo: wha? proper h.264 & everything?

[04:12:33]

AndyCap:

for something more than the evil bleeding poulsbo stuff

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justinh:

no stupid resolution limit? :D

[04:12:34]

Beirdo:

I have a branch ready for it here, but I haven't built it yet

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Beirdo:

AndyCap: poulsbo is still good stuff :)

[04:13:17]

AndyCap:

unless someone maintains the drivers, no it's not

[04:13:21]

Beirdo:

and I need to go there sometime with a camera :)

[04:13:29]

Beirdo:

blah blah blah

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Beirdo:

Intel DOES maintain it

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justinh:

reminds me I've found a very nasty issue in mythfrontend.. but then I need to see it after updating

[04:14:22]

Beirdo:

Ah, I love to see piles of recordings scheduled :)

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justinh:

editing a recording & seeking around I mostly only see the frame from when I entered edit mode

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justinh:

seek in the recording & the frame you're supposed to see flicks up only to be replaced by the last frame displayed before going into edit mode

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sphery:

justinh: it's new... now you have to edit the image in each frame

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sphery:

then accept it will go to the 2nd frame

[04:16:25]

sphery:

this allows you to erase the little ads on screen, but it takes a little longer

[04:16:26]

justinh:

lol

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sphery:

justinh: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7055

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Beirdo:

I think I'll leave the gallery for the moment and go on to watching some TV

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sphery:

others claim to see it on Xv, but I use Xv and have never been able to repro

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justinh:

sphery: ta, thought I'd seen a ticket for it

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sphery:

I'm guessing they're non-nvidia Xv

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justinh:

yeah STINKY intel

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Beirdo:

I so need to go take pictures here in Seattle

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sphery:

which video renderer do you use?

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justinh:

not opengl

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sphery:

xv, likely, with Intel

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justinh:

I would use opengl rendering if it worked

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sphery:

so Xv, then?

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justinh:

lemme check

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sphery:

hmmm... from the log on ticket: Adaptor#0: NV17 Video Texture has flag[s]: XvInputMask XvImageMask

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sphery:

guess that is nvidia

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sphery:

wonder why I can't repro

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Beirdo:

heya, stuarta

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Beirdo:

you feel like planning a pre-0.24 BSP?

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stuarta:

morning

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stuarta:

pre freeze or post freeze?

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** stuarta thinks post **

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Beirdo:

probably post-feature-freeze would be best

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** stuarta consults navel **

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stuarta:

er calendar :)

[04:22:03]

Beirdo:

we have so many open tickets that could use some triage, closing and fixing (as always)

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stuarta:

hmpf. 15 open tickets against 0.23-fixes

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Beirdo:

and a whole pile that probably SHOULD be

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Beirdo:

but we need to go through the pile once again :)

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justinh:

sphery: AFAICT it's Xv rendering

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Beirdo:

We'll get better at this over time, I'm sure

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justinh:

wasn't anywhere near the end of a recording

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justinh:

wish things could be much more black & white with video playback profiles.

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sphery:

I must be tired... Been spending forever trying to decide between 4 lines of "keycode &= ~Qt::ShiftModifier;" (for Shift, Meta, Ctrl, Alt) or one line of "keycode &= ~Qt::MODIFIER_MASK;" since I can't find Qt::MODIFIER_MASK (or Qt::KeyboardModifierMask) in http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qt.html . It was in some of the older docs, but... And, Qt::MODIFIER_MASK includes KeypadModifier and GroupSwitchModifier (and one bit higher that's not included in ...

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sphery:

... Qt::KeyboardModifier--for some reason).

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Beirdo:

apt-get remove *qt*

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

sometimes Qt just makes things... hard to do

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sphery:

justinh: sometimes if you plug in an S-Video to Composite (maybe also SCART) converter incorrectly, it will make your video black and white... It's not an in-Myth solution, but it could do it. ;)

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justinh:

import clutter; import whizzbangUI-FX

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justinh:

arghh! export crashycrashy

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Beirdo:

Addison, IL...

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stuarta:

sphery: #ifndef Qt::MODIFIER_MASK ......

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Beirdo:

that's Chicagoland, right?

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sphery:

I was impressed just how much space the Qt debug takes up (636MB for just the separate debug compared to 332MB for stripped Qt)

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stuarta:

ouch

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sphery:

stuarta: the strange thing is that it works in all versions of Qt4, TTBOMK.

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stuarta:

probably why my dev process sizes are so large. i always build debug

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sphery:

just don't know if it's going away

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stuarta:

use the source luke

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Beirdo:

cool

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sphery:

I built with separate debug and it was 1GB on disk. When I moved the *.debug to my debug dir, my Qt went down to 1/3 the size

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Beirdo:

my mattress is being shipped UPS Ground... from Chicago

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Beirdo:

costco.com... yay for free shipping

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stuarta:

at least it doesn't have to come on a boat from china

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:31:02]

Beirdo:

true

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stuarta:

so sept 1st is freeze date

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Beirdo:

Costco is Seattle-based, but I guess this is shipped straight from the manufacturer

[04:31:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, Sept 1 is target freeze

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stuarta:

that makes 4–5 Sept a good BSP target date

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sphery:

stuarta: Better yet, use the grep... Since we're using Qt::MODIFIER_MASK elsewhere, already, I can use it here, again. :)

[04:32:46]

Beirdo:

that's a weekend, right?

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sphery:

if we end up having to change it, later, we'll change all 3 places

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stuarta:

Beirdo: aye

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Beirdo:

cool. sounds good

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sphery:

Still, though, I think I'll defer committing my fix. A 4:30am commit is probably dangerous.

[04:33:42]

Beirdo:

I think Sept 3, I'll be off deafening myself at a Megadeth concert

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sphery:

Symphony of Destruction

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Beirdo:

aye, I think that's the name

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

here in Seattle

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Beirdo:

Megadeth/Slayer/Testament

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wagnerrp:

are in a shared concert? megadeth sounds nothing like slayer

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wagnerrp:

(dont know anything about testament)

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Beirdo:

it's a triple-header, I think

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sphery:

would be a good concert, though

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Beirdo:

all three are metal, but different styles of metal

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wagnerrp:

never been one for slayer/death metal

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Beirdo:

I'm mostly interested in Megadeth :)

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Beirdo:

saw them in concert in Toronto 2006 or so

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wagnerrp:

ive always liked a good drum solo, Trust has got to be my favorite song opening

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya there

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Beirdo:

doesn't translate well to MP3 though :)

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wagnerrp:

doesnt carry the base?

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Beirdo:

exactly

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justinh:

even at 320k ?

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Beirdo:

320k didn't exist as an option when I tried

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wagnerrp:

ive noticed the 'crystalizer' on my xfi actually does a fairly good job reproducing that stuff

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justinh:

how can stuff try to put back what it didn't know was never there?

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justinh:

I guess so long as it sounds nice that's all that really matters

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stuarta:

i can't but 99% of the population believe what they are told

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stuarta:

it

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wagnerrp:

im sure its just some psychoacoustic transform

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wagnerrp:

its not reproducing the original sound

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wagnerrp:

but simply making a fuller one than is in the mp3

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justinh:

well you never get the original sound with mp3 anyway

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justinh:

just a mathematical approximation

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stuarta:

it's like $ky HD only sells because they compressed the shit out of the SD channels to the point where the quality is crap

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stuarta:

which nobody noticed until bigger tv's became the norm

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justinh:

MOARCHANLZ!

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stuarta:

huge difference between the same channels on dvb-t vs sky

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justinh:

SDTV looks fine on up to a 32" tv

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justinh:

after that.. whoah

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justinh:

add the fact that panels are way less forgiving than CRT...

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stuarta:

yeah, they were relying on the CRT blur to smooth over the excess compression

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i wonder how much of that is poor quality analog tuners theyre putting in LCDs

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justinh:

stuff that looks like crap on a PC monitor looks nice on TV

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justinh:

er what analogue tuners in LCDs?

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stuarta:

wagnerrp: all the things we are talking about are dvb

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wagnerrp:

ah, you mentioned SDTV, you just mean digital SDTV

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justinh:

still waiting to be shown a flat panel that looks as nice as a well set up CRT

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justinh:

wagnerrp: that's all there is in most of the UK now

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justinh:

most/at least half

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wagnerrp:

ive got plenty of cable channels that show up just fine on a CRT, but have all sorts of artifacts on a Samsung LCD.... but i guess im talking about a different issue entirely

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justinh:

we're talking about mpeg2 compression artifacts

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justinh:

mosquito noise etc

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stuarta:

lego blocks

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stuarta:

that's my pet hate

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justinh:

noticed channel 4 has been really very bad lately for nasty blocking

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justinh:

during the simpsons for example, scenes with a lot of motion just turn to crap

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justinh:

mind, since C4 started showing this season they've all turned to crap. they really phoned these ones in

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AndyCap:

they are still full resolution?

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justinh:

prolly only 704x576

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AndyCap:

close enough. There's moar channels to be had at 352x288

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Beirdo:

gonna go to bed shortly

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justinh:

1.5Mbps... eew

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justinh:

hmm I need more weight. my camera is some 320g with battery & quick release plate attached

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Jay2k1:

i spent the last two days googling much for a diy steadicam for small devices

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Jay2k1:

there are a few promising approaches

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Jay2k1:

the probably best one is trying to imitate the Tiffen Smoothee (google it)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

yeah trying along those lines myself. I think one problem is my gimbal.. it's too low friction

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Jay2k1:

too low?

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justinh:

anyway, something like the hague mini motion-cam will do me fine

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justinh:

maybe not too low friction but the slightest thing is making the camera spin round

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Jay2k1:

usually you try to get friction in the gimbal as low as possible

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justinh:

used 2 bearings & a u-joint

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Jay2k1:

yeah, i'm planning on using a single bearing and a u-joint

[06:56:54]

Jay2k1:

think i'm gonna use a skate bearing as almost everyone on the net does

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Jay2k1:

and see where i could get a matching u-joint, either where i can buy tools or at some rc model car store

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justinh:

heheh mine's an rc model thing

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justinh:

got a pack of 10 skate bearings for like £2

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justinh:

the u-joint is made by traxxas

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Jay2k1:

have you seen that homepage of that dude that really got into his selfmade steadicam? who already has the fourth or fifth redesign of that part?

[06:59:00]

justinh:

yeah

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Jay2k1:

he uses traxxas as well

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justinh:

that was where I got the idea :)

[06:59:24]

Jay2k1:

he added these small wind covers because wind would have some impact on his setup as well

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justinh:

up to now I've been using pvc waste pipe for the frame part

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Jay2k1:

and he has this ingenious friction washer just above his torchlight

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justinh:

yeah I've modified a bearing ready for that ;)

[07:00:17]

Jay2k1:

lol

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Jay2k1:

such a coincidence

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justinh:

I've wanted nice walking shots for ages.. years

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justinh:

never had a camcorder til now though

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Jay2k1:

haha

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justinh:

well not my own anyway

[07:01:17]

justinh:

and this panasonic thing weighing in at 320 grams.. sheesh

[07:01:25]

Jay2k1:

and i got the iphone 4 now and am impressed by its video quality, but as with every phone or other small lightweight device it's shaking like hell

[07:01:36]

Jay2k1:

that's why i started googling for some small steadicam like device

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Jay2k1:

i don't even know if i'd use it often when i have one heh

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justinh:

heh the camcorder had optical image stabilisation which is pretty good

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justinh:

but it's no steadicam ;)

[07:02:11]

Jay2k1:

right

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Jay2k1:

it may compensate your hand trembling but that's all about it

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Jay2k1:

i'm so impressed of all those demo videos with people jumping or running up or down stairs

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justinh:

yeah the running shot is my holy grail

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Jay2k1:

i think when i try to build such a thing the gimbal will be the smallest problem...

[07:04:33]

Jay2k1:

balancing the thing out will be much more trouble i guess

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justinh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cKZa4-TSJY would be awesome

[07:05:48]

justinh:

not bad for only OIS I think

[07:06:04]

Jay2k1:

true

[07:06:09]

justinh:

the gimbal is reckoned to be the hard bit. I got that sorted dead easy

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Jay2k1:

but still that NEEDS a steadicam :>

[07:06:33]

Jay2k1:

well i gotta see to find parts that can be easily attached to each other

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Jay2k1:

did you also use a torchlight?

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justinh:

no, I got some 3/4 plastic pipe

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justinh:

21.5mm internal diameter

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Jay2k1:

ah

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justinh:

the bearings fit inside a coupler really nice

[07:07:46]

Jay2k1:

well i figured i'd first buy the skate bearing

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justinh:

oops 21.5mm external dia

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Jay2k1:

so i could buy a handle and a u-joint that matches the bearing

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justinh:

standard plastic waste pipe AFAIK

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justinh:

was like £2 for 2 metres

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justinh:

then a bunch of couplings for pennies

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Jay2k1:

yeah i'm gonna have a look what my local ...market thing (home depot like) has to offer when it comes to such pipings

[07:09:08]

Jay2k1:

i'm a bit afraid pvc won't be as sturdy as pipes made from metal

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Jay2k1:

hmm i guess you call it hardware store huh

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justinh:

oh yeah btw the other tricky part is the camera support itself

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justinh:

I hacked up a cheap tripod & as luck would have it, it'll grip the pipe more or less by itself :)

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justinh:

so I get a quick release platform into the bargain

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jayvee:

the teletext overlay when I press T is so blocky and ugly that it's virtually unreadable

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jayvee:

how can I change the font so I can make it readable?

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justinh:

teletext IS blocky & horrible :P

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justinh:

http://stuff.tv/csfiles/blogs/web/Teletext.jpg

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jayvee:

even that looks better than my mythfrontend's output

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jayvee:

besides, when vlc displays the subtitles, it displays it in a nice font

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jayvee:

so I don't see why mythtv can't

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jayvee:

the data is there.

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justinh:

so you mean *subtitles* not teletext

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justinh:

if you mean subtitles say subtitles :)

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justinh:

what resolution is the video? because guess what... overlayed stuff in mythtv will be the same resolution as the video unless you're using the opengl renderer

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justinh:

so if the video is low res block-o-vision, the OSD overlay (teletext, subtitles etc) will also be low-res block-o-vision

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Jay2k1:

for the camera support that won't be much of a problem, since i plan on doing it for my iphone only, i'll just use a cheap self-adhesive car mount which i'll stick to a 90 degree metal angle plate

[08:57:24]

justinh:

again, unless you're using the opengl video renderer :)

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justinh:

Jay2k1: heh

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justinh:

my effort still doesn't have high enough intertia. Might just buy one

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justinh:

*inertia

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Jay2k1:

well, apart from the high priced tiffen devices, there's also that manfrotto modosteady

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Jay2k1:

although i think it might not be sturdy enough, on the other hand it may be used as a small tripod and a shoulder supported stabilizer as well

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justinh:

think I prefer the Hague one

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justinh:

that modosteady thing looks as ghetto as my cobbled together thing :D

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Jay2k1:

haha

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jayvee:

justinh: yes, I'm using opengl and vdpau

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Jay2k1:

but the shoulder support "mode" looks promising

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jayvee:

so all the other OSD overlays are crisp

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Jay2k1:

also, it's the cheapest one

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Jay2k1:

wow, that's some bad level of rolling shutter :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Gee, that teletext image broght me back to the ANSI BBS days...

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AndyCap:

hq4x for teletext! :P

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justinh:

Jay2k1: huh? not on my camcorder

[09:59:48]

justinh:

prolly is on the iphone though ;-)

[10:01:21]

justinh:

then you go "yeah but it's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaitch deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" :D and they go "ughh.. but the... rolling... shutter... bleugh"

[10:03:11]

justinh:

don't worry though – you can buy a plugin for your video editor to fix it. only like $500

[10:05:03]

sid3windr:

whatis rolling shutter?

[10:05:32]

justinh:

rolling shutter is where data is shifted out of the sensor at a slower rate than the video framerate

[10:05:44]

justinh:

or rather slower than the shutter interval

[10:06:00]

** sid3windr is wikipedia'ing **

[10:11:16]

justinh:

anyway rolling shutter is why I bought a 'proper' camcorder not a cheapo pocket one :)

[10:19:33]

Jay2k1:

yeah but.. IT'S HD!

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Jay2k1:

at slow movement the quality is really impressive – for a phone anyway – but with quick horizontal movement it's clearly visible

[10:21:23]

Jay2k1:

another argument against the >200$ smoothee heh

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Jay2k1:

sid3windr when the sensor chip doesn't take a frame completely on instant but captures line by line (imagine it's like picture is drawn line by line on CRT monitors)

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Jay2k1:

now while the sensor captures line by line, the subject moves, so when the last lines are captured the subject is at a different position than it was when you started capturing that frame

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Jay2k1:

http://pub.jay2k1.com/iphone4-rollingshutter.mov

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justinh:

oh yeah that's the other reason I didn't buy a pocket camera. .mov

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AndyCap:

wonder if clone makers can be tricked into putting Rolling Shutter as a feature. :P

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wagnerrp:

man... i go to sleep, come back, and the same guy is still asking the same questions in the wrong channel

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Jay2k1:

well justinh it's h.264, quite common i'd say

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wagnerrp:

i would hardly trust a cheap, low power encoder chip on a phone to pump out good efficiency h264

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pepinito:

Hi! I'm making my own xmltv grabber. Everything works ok, except mythtv (or mythfilldatabase) keeps mapping the programs to the wrong channels. Any idea on this or how to troubleshoot? Any one with experience in tuning a xmltv for mythtv?

[10:54:04]

wagnerrp:

pepinito: first guess would be you have the XMLTV IDs mapped wrong in the channel editor

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Jay2k1:

http://pub.jay2k1.com/iphone4-testvideo.mov

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wagnerrp:

i dont even trust something like the HDPVR to do so

[10:56:20]

wagnerrp:

i mean h264 is designed to do better than double the compression of mpeg2

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pepinito:

wagnerrp: The IDs are ok, I checked both the channel editor and the channel TABLE. Something happens when loading the programs.

[10:56:37]

wagnerrp:

and people still force the bitrate to 13.5mbps

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wagnerrp:

about 2/3 that of the source

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pepinito:

wagnerrp: does mythtv make use of the ~/.mythtv/`source`.xmltv file on the mapping of the programs/channels?

[10:59:07]

wagnerrp:

all mythfilldatabase cares about is the XMLTV ID you have set for that channel in the database/channel editor

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pepinito:

wagnerrp: they are all ok, I'm fetching the channels from the grabber directly. Is there any way to make the mythfilldatabase program filling verbose?

[11:02:35]

wagnerrp:

not great, but decent

[11:02:51]

wagnerrp:

i would expect a nice mpeg2 decoder to produce that quality at that bitrate

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wagnerrp:

and youve got some funky auto-brightness issues

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Jay2k1:

well

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Jay2k1:

the exposure is based on where you focus

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Jay2k1:

that tap-to-focus thing

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Jay2k1:

although it does some unpredictable automatic autofocus when an object that used to be in focus moves out of the frame

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sphery:

using XBox 360 and PS3 for a frontend... makes you wonder why people like pain.

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wagnerrp:

back when i used my PS3, it was fairly nice....

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sphery:

but it's not a MythTV frontend

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wagnerrp:

.... as long as you didnt want commercial detection or livetv

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wagnerrp:

and you didnt mind using mythweb for scheduling

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sphery:

and you don't want timestretch and a UI that encompasses all of MythTV and plugins and ...

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wagnerrp:

timestretch, it has

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sphery:

oh, and you like to listen to a helicopter hovering next to the TV

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wagnerrp:

music and video, you can pull over upnp

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sphery:

(at least with the 360)

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wagnerrp:

helicopter?

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sphery:

it's loud

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wagnerrp:

oh, the PS3 is fairly quiet

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wagnerrp:

even my beastly release version

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wagnerrp:

youll hear it in a quiet room

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wagnerrp:

but with the video playing, you dont notice it

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johnnyj:

whats the script that creates friendly named symlinks from your recordings?

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wagnerrp:

mythlink.pl

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johnnyj:

thankee

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shadash:

What is the current status of MythTV and Broadcom Crystal HD?

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wagnerrp:

waiting on upstream support from ffmpeg

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shadash:

thanks

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shadash:

I'm reading through the ffmpeg dev list and it doesn't appear that crystal-hd is a high priority :-(

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rhollan:

Question... is the model that stored media (photos, music, videos, but NOT recordings) are stored on the front-end (with storage groups used to provide access to remote FEs without the need for NFS hackery), and recordings are stored on the backend with a known access method that each FE uses?

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iamlindoro:

Given it's extremely limited usefulness, it's not surprising

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rhollan:

I keep getting confused that all storage is a BE thing

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wagnerrp:

rhollan: previously, only recordings were stored on the frontend

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rhollan:

waaaa?

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wagnerrp:

and all other media was accessed independently through their own means

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo is the first to move to storage groups, where the storage is managed by the backend

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rhollan:

Now I'm really confused. I thought the BE handled recording

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wagnerrp:

erm... backend i mean

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rhollan:

O.K. then I understand correctly

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wagnerrp:

music and photos are expected to be migrated to storage groups in the next version or two

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rhollan:

mythweb, therefore, runs on a FE (or a combo FE/BE), right?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb runs on neither

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wagnerrp:

it is a web application run under apache

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rhollan:

and it grabs file directly?

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rhollan:

so it runs where the files "are".

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wagnerrp:

for its streaming purposes, it can pull music over the mythxml interface

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wagnerrp:

but all other file access must be done through the local file system

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rhollan:

... from the BE? or FE?

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rhollan:

for mythxml

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wagnerrp:

mythxml is a webserver built into the backend

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wagnerrp:

http://backend:6544/xml and http://backend:6544/GetServDesc

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rhollan:

So, music served throug mythweb has to be on the BE, but is historically only accessable by the FE, so they have to be one and the same.

[13:20:14]

wagnerrp:

http://backend:6544/Myth/GetServDesc rather

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wagnerrp:

no, music served through mythweb can be handled traditionally through the file system

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wagnerrp:

however if it is not available on the filesystem, it can fall back through to mythxml

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rhollan:

So, it has to run on the same machine as the FE, since only the FE can import it.

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wagnerrp:

specifically http://backend:6544/Myth/GetMusic

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rhollan:

OR use mythxml

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wagnerrp:

no, it can run anywhere that has the music mounted in the same location

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rhollan:

right... so traditionally that would be where the music is natively stored.. wich would be a FE.

[13:22:05]

rhollan:

FE's rip music, not BEs, right?

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wagnerrp:

or any machine that has the storage mounted over NFS, or some other form of network file system

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sid3windr:

depends where you put the cd, rhollan ? :P

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sphery:

what's a cd?

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rhollan:

right, I am thinking, of non-NFS mounts to simplify things.

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rhollan:

sid3winder: but don't I have to run FE to rip a cd? Even if on a combo FE/BE?

[13:23:07]

wagnerrp:

one of those investment things you get from a bank

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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rhollan:

So, *traditionally* (ignoring NFS and Storage Groups), BEs record live TV on their local file systems, and FEs rip media to their local filesystems. mythweb serves media from it's local file system (or via mythxml). Of course, with a combo FE/BE these are all one machine (and file system). Right?

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rhollan:

It only gets confusing with additional FEs that are not BEs. I can see how they contact the BE for recordings, can use mythxml to get media from *other than it's local filesystem*, namely the BE/FE combo, then.

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wagnerrp:

yes, it can be confusing, which is why there is a push to move everything over to storage groups

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rhollan:

Have I got it right? So, for example, if I access a ripped CD on a BE, it's likely because it's also an FE that ripped it in the first place.

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wagnerrp:

the backend does not support dvd ripping, only the frontend

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wagnerrp:

erm, cd ripping

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rhollan:

Riiiight... So, for me to have a FE access music from a remote machine via mythxml, that remote machine (a) is a BE running mythxml (or is that just an apache-fronted php app?), and probably was also an FE to rip the disk in the first place.

[13:29:42]

sphery:

iamlindoro: how's this for pedantic... Doesn't making MythNetvision non-beta mean you need to move the configure output saying whether it's enabled or disabled so that it's in proper alphabetical order?

[13:29:57]

sphery:

(that's a joke--I don't care either way)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: feel free ;)

[13:31:13]

sphery:

heh, perfect answer :)

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rhollan:

Also, if mythweb allows for deletion of music tracks, then it must talk to the DB on the "master" BE, right?

[13:32:00]

wagnerrp:

the database is not on the master backend

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rhollan:

"is not" or "does not have to be"

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wagnerrp:

the database is on the database server, where ever you have that running

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wagnerrp:

completely independent from mythtv and your backends

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rhollan:

O.K.

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rhollan:

Traditionally I see it on my master BE because the first thing I ever set up was a FE/BE combo, and I had to put the DB somewhere, and that's where it went.

[13:33:42]

rhollan:

But, yes, it can be anywhere.

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wagnerrp:

there has been talk of moving the database internal to the master backend, but nothing has happened on that front yet

[13:34:16]

rhollan:

Still, if mythweb allows for deletion of content, then the php scripts must talk to the DB, no? Or are only recordings tracked in the DB?

[13:34:30]

rhollan:

NO! Keep the DB wherever it wants to be.

[13:34:42]

rhollan:

If it's on the master BE, so be it, but don't make it a requirement.

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wagnerrp:

everything is stored in the database

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rhollan:

just a possibility (even a default if no DB already exists).

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rhollan:

Right, that's what I thought.

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sphery:

there's much benefit to running mysqld locally on the master backend--i.e. mysqld is a single point of failure for MythTV, so keeping it close to the mbe (another single point of failure) makes sense

[13:35:02]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you want to field that one? ^^^

[13:35:17]

sphery:

rhollan: won't be a requirement

[13:35:31]

rhollan:

sphery: sure, no argument. DESIRABLE, of course, for the reason you mention.

[13:35:43]

sphery:

just won't require you to install, configure, properly set permissions on, maintain (including analyze, optimize, repair), ... the DB

[13:36:15]

sphery:

basically, we'll just have a data server that you run anywhere--just like you currently run mysqld anywhere

[13:36:25]

rhollan:

actually, there would be advantages to that, if mythtv ever support the notion of different users with different privs.

[13:36:35]

sphery:

so nothing changes--except that users no longer have to be MySQL DB admins

[13:36:37]

rhollan:

But the right way to do that would be via LDAP.

[13:37:04]

rhollan:

and a long way off... I expect.

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wagnerrp:

now youre pulling in more complex external dependencies

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** sphery hopes to work on it after 0.24 is released **

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wagnerrp:

thats what were trying to get away from

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sphery:

would be nice to have it done for 0.25

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rhollan:

wagnerrp: true, and overkill if you don't ALREADY have a user database.

[13:37:50]

sphery:

if we do real multi-user, it will almost definitely be done via the DB

[13:38:05]

rhollan:

but, if you do, adding "readonly" or "readwrite" mythtv attributes to existing user records in LDAP is trivial.

[13:38:13]

sphery:

to limit dependencies and because you generally don't want to set up mythtv as a full-fledged network user

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wagnerrp:

sure, but youve got to get an LDAP server set up

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sphery:

(at least I don't)

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wagnerrp:

and thats not something trivial we want to require of users

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rhollan:

n o, certainly not require.

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sphery:

I see ldap as just another storage mechanism (of which we already have one--mysql)

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sphery:

only reason it's good for authentication/authorization is because a lot of system/network A&A hooks into it

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sphery:

but if we don't need system/network A&A integration...

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rhollan:

I guess you'd handle authorization via mysql privs for each of the users then, and let the DB handle "unautorized" operations on it, and have the UI report them?

[13:40:33]

sphery:

I fully admit I may be missing something, but that's what I see now

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sphery:

no, all A&A would be in mythtv

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rhollan:

So, myth would query the DB for privs and act acordingly?

[13:41:13]

sphery:

getting a random MySQL error code that says, "not authorized" when trying to do something isn't very easy to deal with in mythtv code

[13:41:16]

sphery:

right

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rhollan:

allows there to only be one mythtv DB user, too. Simpler.

[13:41:53]

sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

less system config

[13:42:23]

sphery:

then just set up Mom, Dad, junior, etc. in MythTV

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rhollan:

O.K. Here's the kicker: formatting SQL queries and formatting LDAP queries is a trivial difference.

[13:42:43]

rhollan:

though you have to parse the responses a bit differently.

[13:42:51]

sphery:

and specify MythTV-specific info (i.e. junior cannot access the Parents recgroup nor set up recording schedules for shows airing after 8:00pm or ...)

[13:43:25]

rhollan:

Abstract the authorization API and permit plugins for different DB backends. Make mysql the first one implemented.

[13:43:31]

sphery:

so custom A&A (especially the authorization part) makes a log of sense with our application needs

[13:43:40]

sphery:

we'll never allow multiple DB's

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sphery:

truly portable SQL is too limited

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rhollan:

sphery: that's just DB schema stuff, though, and easily ported to LDAP from SQL.

[13:44:01]

sphery:

even "generally portable" is limiting

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sphery:

and there's no benefit to having multiple storage engines--especially if we do an embedded db

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sphery:

i.e. why should you care whether we use MySQL or PostgreSQL?

[13:44:48]

rhollan:

the benefit is existing users with existing passwords in an EXISTING database.

[13:44:54]

sphery:

it would be like refusing to run MythTV because it uses Qt as a framework and you like GTK

[13:44:59]

rhollan:

you don't have to add them all over again.

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sphery:

but you /have/ to add them all over again because of MythTV-specific authorization information

[13:45:41]

rhollan:

No, you add the authorization information only.

[13:46:04]

rhollan:

But, there's another way.

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sphery:

well, we're not likely to use passwords like a normal computer program

[13:46:26]

rhollan:

If you store your A&A in a mysql database, LDAP can use that for auth.

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sphery:

i.e. you don't want to type "lG8eY!td2" on a remote every time you want to watch TV

[13:46:32]

rhollan:

turn it around.

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sphery:

so we'll have custom authentication

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rhollan:

No, you use auth for priv escalation.

[13:46:58]

sphery:

so the only thing you'd gain by re-using normal system auth stuff is not having to type in user names (one time)

[13:47:13]

rhollan:

and syncing passwords between databases.

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kormoc:

oh lordy

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sphery:

but we have no need for normal system A&A stuff...

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kormoc:

unified auth for mysql is so overkill....

[13:48:01]

kormoc:

and a horrible idea for remote users (majoirty)

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sphery:

we just need "click user to log in as", maybe require a PIN for access to restricted stuff

[13:48:40]

sphery:

and, mostly, just need a way to determine that "This show was recorded for use by Mom and Dad, so don't delete it until they've both seen it."

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sphery:

or "Mom is logged in, so only show Mom's shows"

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sphery:

(by default)

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kormoc:

rhollan, we're not going to use the db privs to restrict access, it'll be done by the backend

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rhollan:

Hmm.

[13:50:31]

rhollan:

For remote control users, that makes sense. I was thinking of users of wireless devices that ALREADY have to authenticate to get on the LAND and automatically get the necessary myth privs associated with their account.

[13:50:51]

rhollan:

IOW; foo@bar.com has myth pin abcd

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sphery:

well, at least in my case, I'd want those not-explicitly-approved-by-me users treated as guests that can view recordings and videos but can not change anything.

[13:52:46]

rhollan:

right.

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sphery:

and maybe even restrict other things, too (like viewing my mythgallery images, etc)

[13:53:18]

sphery:

so we just have a guest account with no pin that the users access until they beg me for an actual mythtv user

[13:53:24]

rhollan:

so you decide what privs you need and how much fine-grained control you require.

[13:53:36]

rhollan:

and, I suppose, map that to PINs.

[13:54:07]

sphery:

anyway, replacing the need for users to be MySQL admins with the need for users to become sysadmins is not the plan :)

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rhollan:

what you're describing though ("can't delete mom's shows unless she's seen them" really requires per-item ACLs.

[13:54:57]

sphery:

kormoc: as long as you're around, what do you think of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585 ? Does it make sense or is there more going on? (I'm using MySQL 5.0.x, so I haven't tested.)

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rhollan:

you want to have some kind of PIN mechanism that maps to these ACLs, right?

[13:55:18]

iamlindoro:

rhollan: I note you always have an opinion how we should be developing myth-- you seem a smart fellow, when will the patches start rolling in? :)

[13:55:37]

sphery:

rhollan: no, it requires MythTV to say, "OK, Dad said delete the show, so remove it from his list of shows, but since Mom still has it in her list, don't actually delete the file."

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sphery:

i.e. the app controls all app data access, so...

[13:56:02]

rhollan:

iamlindoro: when I get a better feel of how things go together, and what the general direction is.

[13:56:13]

rhollan:

And after I complete my wireless rollout at home.

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kormoc:

a ACL is hardly a complex enough piece of code to warrant a invasive external dependency on

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sphery:

and if Dad goes in and deletes the file directly from the HDD, he can explain to Mom why she can't see this week's episode of Grey's Anatomy and live with the consequences.

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kormoc:

sphery, it's completely true, aye

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sphery:

kormoc: ah, fun... so we'll have to scrub the entire code base, it seems.

[13:57:07]

kormoc:

yeah...

[13:57:23]

** kormoc nudges unix timestamps for the Nth time **

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kormoc:

it's too bad they won't code themselves

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rhollan:

kormoc: no. But if you seek to map PINs to ACLs, which is what you appear to be doing, AND already have an external user DB, mapping those existing users to those ACLs, or PINS is really neat: if someone ALREADY logged in to get network access, they should AUTOMATICALLY get the appropriate mythtv privs.

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sphery:

rhollan: we don't need acls

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kormoc:

rhollan, you're talking about a user base of how many folks are in your household

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sphery:

we just need to let mythtv know not to delete a file until everyone who wants that recording has seen it

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rhollan:

how else can you control who can delete who's recordings?

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rhollan:

or if a recording can't be deleted unless certain people have seen it?

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** kormoc sighs **

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rhollan:

"smells" like ACLs tome.

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sphery:

besides, not everyone has a system that even allows ACLs

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kormoc:

this isn't going to go anywhere

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rhollan:

I mean ACL in the general sense not how unix implements them. You have a "who can do what" model, and that's ACLs.

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kormoc:

you guys have a mismatch on terminology and functionality

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iamlindoro:

He with code, wins

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kormoc:

He with commit access, wins

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iamlindoro:

that too

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sphery:

^clean

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sphery:

(clean code)

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sphery:

clean meaning that it has to fit the project's goals (not necessarily talking about elegance of design)

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rhollan:

so, how many PINs would someone need to remember? Just one that maps to what they can do?

[14:02:05]

kormoc:

upto 1, yes

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iamlindoro:

One PIN. Their own for login.

[14:02:11]

kormoc:

I wouldn't have any personally

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sphery:

or none

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sphery:

yeah

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rhollan:

well, O.K. just one to identify someone from "anonymous" to specific privs.

[14:02:49]

rhollan:

so, you can do something with no PIN.

[14:03:07]

rhollan:

(like, at least provide a PIN, in the extreme case, if everyone has to log in).

[14:03:10]

kormoc:

it's not even really privs as just tracking who did what

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iamlindoro:

If you choose to not configure user access, no pin = administrator

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rhollan:

fair enough.

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rhollan:

but "recordings I can see" (on the basis of who recorded them), is an ACL by another name: Mom indicates who can watch, delete anytime, delete after all interested have watched, etc. them

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

you're right in a way, but it's not the common way people think of when they hear ACL's

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kormoc:

which is half the argument

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kormoc:

and it's not quite as simple as who recorded it

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wagnerrp:

s/argument/battle/

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sphery:

thanks, Joe

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kormoc:

imaginary person #2 in my house could say want to watch house same as I do, so we'd share the recording schedule

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rhollan:

O.K. so what are the other attributes.

[14:07:48]

rhollan:

and the model? Do recorders give permission to individuals, or do individuals have different levels of "override" capability?

[14:07:54]

rhollan:

They are different models.

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kormoc:

we haven't figured that part out yet

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rhollan:

Right, that's why I use the term ACL, because whatever you figure out falls into an ACL model.

[14:08:43]

rhollan:

but, certainly not in the unix sense.

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iamlindoro:

Unbelievably moot point

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iamlindoro:

Whoever writes it gets to determine the paradigm he or she feels it follows... If I write it it will be called jiggling boobies, it will still be a moot freaking point

[14:10:03]

rhollan:

brb

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** kormoc votes for iamlindoro to write it now **

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iamlindoro:

Unforunately you'll need to authenticate to parental level 4 just to see the popup

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kormoc:

Aww, recursive auth requirements are a bane to my existence

[14:11:45]

iamlindoro:

It'll be some popup, though

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sphery:

iamlindoro: would these be blue-footed boobies?

[14:12:01]

sphery:

they're my favorite boobies

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iamlindoro:

Hope not, I'm no necrophiliac

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wagnerrp:

personally, i prefer bouncing tits... http://www.gifbin.com/981263

[14:12:45]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, do you watch P&T's bullsh*t?

[14:12:56]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: nah

[14:13:27]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, they work hard to have random nudity in a lot of the episodes just for random nudity's sake

[14:13:31]

kormoc:

it amuses me a lot

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sphery:

wagnerrp: birds are birds, so I'm sure it's close enough

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

nice

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sphery:

we could just have a setting so the user can decide which bird to use

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iamlindoro:

But I do watch Spartacus: Blood and Sand, that has lots of gratuitous nudity and sex

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sphery:

fortunately the FCC protects me--an OTA user--from all that nastiness

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sphery:

though I heard that they were told they can't restrict that stuff, anymore

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sphery:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20010478-38.html

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rhollan:

Hmm.

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rhollan:

You need to settle on (a) what is to be controlled, the privs (e.g. "can rip CD", "can rip DVD", "can record TV (by channel/rating)", can watch music, videos, TV (by channel/time/rating), can delete ...; then each user, for stuff they rip, or record, defines WHO can watch, edit, delete; and you use users, possibly organized into groups to grant those privs to.,

[14:23:59]

iamlindoro:

rhollan: Enough project management, please

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wagnerrp:

holy crap... http://www.gifbin.com/982935

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rhollan:

Let a user belong to many groups, and you can get some very fancy control.

[14:24:07]

iamlindoro:

it's entirely moot until someone actually does work

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rhollan:

it's tempting.

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rhollan:

Alll I really want is that if someone logs in via apache, that they can be automagically mapped to a mythtv user and inherit all their privs, but I think that's just php stuff, no?

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Digital-Pioneer:

Hey, I've got several myth boxes set up (mythbuntu) and I've changed the main menu's background image on all but one of them. I can't for the life of me remember how I did it, though, and I need to replicate that to the last box. Anyone know how I might have done that? :]

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rhollan:

At this point. I'd behappy for a "can't delete" restriction

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rhollan:

And, I can probably effect that for now with unix read only privs on my ripped stuff (ironically, I don't care about recordings that much).

[14:28:10]

rhollan:

time to return to work

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sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: you edit the theme (unless the theme you're using is one that just picks an image from a dir)

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Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: Yeah, I've looked in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/watermarks and I see the old image, but not the new one (on a system that shows the new image)

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Digital-Pioneer:

I'm using the Mythbuntu (Widescreen) theme.

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sphery:

watermarks are the things that appear on top of the background

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sphery:

background is likely in base.xml or something (just a guess)

[14:36:57]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development knows far more than me

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Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: In that case, I guess I edited the watermark, the background is just black.

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sphery:

you may have stuff in your ~/.mythtv/themecache on the one that appears to work and clearing it would show the old image, in which case, you just need to edit the theme or replace the picture and then clear the themecache then restart mythfrontend

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drindt:

hey guys i would like to import a dvd, libdvdcss is installed here and after choosing what to import it told me (or similar its translated) "no tasks, you could import a dvd" in the log i found nothing about

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drindt:

how to fix that?

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SNIFF:

hello anyone able to advise on a problem with TV card install

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iamlindoro:

You'll never know unless you ask...

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SNIFF:

im trying to install mythtv from Ubuntu 10.04

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SNIFF:

after clean install

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SNIFF:

trying to get a HVR-4000 card to be recognised

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SNIFF:

ive been to linuxtv site

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SNIFF:

updated the firmware

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drindt:

hey guys i would like to import a dvd, libdvdcss is installed here and after choosing what to import it told me (or similar its translated) "no tasks, you could import a dvd" in the log i found nothing about

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SNIFF:

and then installed hg

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SNIFF:

to update the v4l driver

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iamlindoro:

drindt: 14 minutes is not long enough to wait

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drindt:

iamlindoro: :-)

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iamlindoro:

Please wait a tleast an hour between repeats

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rhollanWrk:

I have found that sometimes udev gets the DVD device wrong

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drindt:

iamlindoro: uh then should the disc to be imported ;)

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rhollanWrk:

check /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd and see if they are broken links

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SNIFF:

problem is after doing that I loose my sound card, dvd drive USB and I can't shutdown the pc, it just logs me out

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iamlindoro:

SNIFF: If the issue is driver related, and it appears it is, you should ask in #linuxtv

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rhollanWrk:

your actually DVD device is probably /dev/sr? something or other (if it is a SATA drive).

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iamlindoro:

MythTV presumes you already have working tuner drivers

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SNIFF:

ok I'm new to linux and mIRC how do i change to #linuxtv?

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iamlindoro:

/join #linuxtv

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SNIFF:

ok thanks

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drindt:

when i successfully imported a dvd then i should later import it right?

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drindt:

means after importing it whats the next step?

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johnnyj:

wow – mythlink.pl is freaking fast

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wagnerrp:

well what all did you expect it needed to do?

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johnnyj:

i dunno – i'm pleased though

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johnnyj:

oh sphery wrote that?

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johnnyj:

nice

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sphery:

no, xr is did

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wagnerrp:

it was written long before sphery was around

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sphery:

I just committed a bunch of changes to it

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johnnyj:

o

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wagnerrp:

sphery just cleaned it up, removed the rename ability, and has been maintaining it

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sphery:

actually it was writting long after I was around, but long before I was anybody :)

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sphery:

johnnyj: it's even faster in trunk, now, if you do the single-recording rename using --chanid and --starttime

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jduggan:

6/win 22

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sphery:

and, if you would like to patch it to do a QUERY_RECORDING TIMESLOT <basename> when users pass --filename, it could be even faster for that

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sphery:

(I use chanid/starttime, so I didn't care to patch --filename :)

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sphery:

but it would fast to do so

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johnnyj:

sphery: sigh... perl leaves me alone when I leave perl alone

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sphery:

slow part would be testing with good and bad values and verifying its doing what it should

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

seems its... five years old

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: aww, even i could make that simple change to a perl script

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johnnyj:

so handbraking the hdhr recordings is WAY less cpu taxing then the HDPVR stuff (as was expected)

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wagnerrp:

handbraking?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: i said it 1st

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johnnyj:

my other half wants something on his iphone – hence all this mythlink.pl and handbrake stuff

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, when I started with MythTV in Feb '04, there was mythlink.sh, which called mysql and wrote a temp file, and parsed the output with perl – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .sh?rev=5000

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i think i remember you linking that in a while back

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wagnerrp:

ridiculous

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JEDIDIAH__:

any word on whether the new BD features will allow for archiving in mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

as in burning to bluray?

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JEDIDIAH__:

ripping rather than burning.

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Beirdo:

someone's shouting their name

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johnnyj:

Beirdo: that's actually a fun name to holler

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Beirdo:

must be

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Beirdo:

now lets see if I get any emails with UPnP client details :)

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kshots:

Anyone know how to get mythfilldatabase to fill in data for new channels (ie, just added new channels in schedulesdirect.org to existing lineup, but mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to fill those channels – it leaves their schdules "unknown")

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kshots:

I've tried 'mythfilldatabase --refresh-all" to no effect :(

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wagnerrp:

are these analog or digital channels?

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kshots:

they're cable box channels

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kshots:

so... a bit of both

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kshots:

The setup is a cable box controlled via IR blaster, with the cable box output routed to my encoder... so the encoder really has no concept of "channels"

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kshots:

Ok... let's try another tack... how do I keep my existing icon data, dump all my channels, re-add all my channels, then assign the old icon data to the new channels?

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kshots:

apparently mythfilldatabase... isn't

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kshots:

hmm... guess I'll miss another week of futurama :(

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Foosball:

anybody else have tearing issues with nvidia 256 driver?

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kshots:

ugh... I _hate_ doing icon scans... always have far too many that I have to manually set

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KjetilK:

I'm having problems with partial locks on encrypted channels

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KjetilK:

hmmm, perhaps discussing that is off-limits in this forum (though it is completely legal here)?

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Beirdo:

hehehehe

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** Beirdo is a smart-alec today **

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iamlindoro:

KjetilK, Correct, any cardsharing or software decryption is off limits here but thank you for asking first

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro, OK

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KjetilK:

I can understand why, as in most of parts of the world, the legal situation is even worse than here :-(

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: the preview window in the program guide...

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Beirdo:

is that tweakable in the themes?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, sort of

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iamlindoro:

It's a one-off thing that needs to be replaced by the video widget, but it's squishable/moveable

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Beirdo:

OK, what I was seeing... in Arclight... my previews from the PVR-250s... are not to the correct aspect ratio

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Beirdo:

they get horizontally stretched

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iamlindoro:

correct, it does not properly respect the <preserveaspect> attribute

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Beirdo:

I was wondering if it's as simple as a PreserveAspectRatio or soemthign

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

OK :) That's not necessarily a theme issue then, but rather a UI issue below?

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iamlindoro:

right... but not a lot of point trying to do anything with it, since the only proper fix is to write the video widget

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Beirdo:

BTW, Arclight is definitely my preferred theme for now

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iamlindoro:

thx

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Beirdo:

Gotcha

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Beirdo:

heh, no problemo

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Beirdo:

I still have to go finish tweaking Metallurgy, in particular the mythweather setup pages

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Beirdo:

I think Terra needed a tweak in the setup pages too

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Beirdo:

I'll have to go through the complete set again looking at the setup pages. Sigh

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Beirdo:

For the copyright in Arclight in weather... it was simple

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Beirdo:

you already had it set for multiline

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I just made the text area slightly taller so it could fit two lines

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Beirdo:

and voila :)

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arlekin:

2010-07–22 19:22:16.550 NVP(0): prebuffering pause

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arlekin:

2010-07–22 19:22:16.552 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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arlekin:

2010-07–22 19:22:25.594 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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arlekin:

2010-07–22 19:22:26.856 NVP(0): prebuffering pause

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arlekin:

2010-07–22 19:22:26.858 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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arlekin:

sry about that

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Beirdo:

thou shalt not spam-paste :)

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arlekin:

:)

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arlekin:

middle click

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** Beirdo middle fingers the monitor **

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Beirdo:

there

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arlekin:

I m having WriteAudio: buffer underrun :) Audio is jittery. I ve tried some things I found in google with no success

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arlekin:

cpu use is under 40 %

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arlekin:

card is saa7134 chip

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arlekin:

frontend and backend on same machine

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Beirdo:

framegrabbers suck

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Beirdo:

one would think we'd have troubleshooting steps for that on the wiki by now

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Shadow__X:

i am trying to build mythfrontend on os x but it keeps giving me an error saying that i need freetype installed although i thought i already installed it

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Megz:

hi there .. what internet site would I use for watching HD movies streamed?

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Megz:

i tried Netflix

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Megz:

but all their stuff is encoded really low resolution

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Megz:

with a lot of compression blocks everywhere

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Megz:

i just figured you guys would know!

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tbones:

test

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wagnerrp:

-1

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Beirdo:

is this thing on?

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Beirdo:

heh

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tbones:

have other ubuntu users been getting: Unable to connect to Datbase this is on my backend

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tbones:

did update and wam no more myth

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tbones:

tried to telnet that didn't work either. Which exausts my limmited arsenol of db troubleshooting

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larrikin:

I get buffer underruns just like arlekin, probably with a similar set up.. but I have near perfect A/V sync, although its dropping video frames for other reasons..

[19:49:43]

larrikin:

tbones: you can log into mysql with 'mysql -u <mythusername> -p' ?

[19:51:38]

tbones:

no, give me error 2002

[19:52:02]

tbones:

Can't connect to local mysql server throu socket /var/run***

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sphery:

mysql -h<hostname> -u<username> -p mythconverg

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tbones:

got a question which pw am i suppose to use: the one that i have in mysql.txt

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tbones:

sphery: error

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tbones:

jamey@server:~$ mysql -h server -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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tbones:

Enter password:

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tbones:

ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'server' (111)

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kormoc:

replcace server with a real resolvable hostname?

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kormoc:

or ip address

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wagnerrp:

looks like 'server' is the proper address

[20:00:33]

wagnerrp:

assuming youre running a mysql server on the local machine

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tbones:

PING server.ejamey.com (192.168.0.14) 56(84) bytes of data.

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tbones:

64 bytes from server.local (192.168.0.14): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.226 ms

[20:00:48]

tbones:

6

[20:00:58]

tbones:

it resolves fine i think

[20:01:41]

tbones:

tried ip address and fqdn and same stuff.

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Beirdo:

then make sure mysqld is running

[20:01:54]

kormoc:

and you used the correct password?

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tbones:

well is the password the one you use for user : mythtv

[20:02:38]

wagnerrp:

isnt the error saying the server isnt running on that host/port?

[20:02:58]

Beirdo:

that would be my first bet

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tbones:

Today earlier ran an udate and there was an update mysql which I suppose is to blame

[20:05:11]

larrikin:

tbones: 'ps aux | grep mysqld'

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larrikin:

on 'server'

[20:06:00]

larrikin:

make sure you that any kind of security/firewall is working as intended etc..

[20:08:46]

tbones:

jamey@server:~$ ps aux | grep mysqld

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tbones:

jamey 11278 0.0 0.0 7620 892 pts/0 S+ 19:08 0:00 grep --color=auto mysqld

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tbones:

jamey@server:~$

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Beirdo:

sphery: you wanna punt #5441?

[20:09:06]

Beirdo:

tbones: right. restart mysqld

[20:11:10]

sphery:

Beirdo: main reason I haven't incorporated any of those changes is because the scripts themselves are broken and I don't want to waste time re-writing them/fixing the other brokenness and I figure that changing them will imply that they work at the point of the commit

[20:11:21]

Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

I should really finish the patch that puts it all in the backend

[20:11:24]

Beirdo:

I hear ya.

[20:11:28]

sphery:

it wouldn't take that long

[20:11:39]

tbones:

jamey@server:~$ mysqld restart

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tbones:

100722 19:10:24 [Warning] Can't create test file /var/lib/mysql/server.lower-test

[20:11:42]

tbones:

100722 19:10:24 [Warning] Can't create test file /var/lib/mysql/server.lower-test

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tbones:

mysqld: Can't change dir to '/var/lib/mysql/' (Errcode: 13)

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sphery:

tbones: also check to see if your my.cnf disables networking (skip-networking)

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Beirdo:

tbones: you have to do that as root....

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tbones:

hehe duh sorry

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sphery:

and check your bind-address, while you're in there

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tbones:

yeah i've been playing with that file its been suggested in some posts i dug off the net

[20:18:18]

tbones:

Ok, i have bind-address comment out. "it was suggest in another post" here it is currently http://pastebin.com/ALzScBx0

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sphery:

Beirdo: glad you're looking at #7783

[20:19:02]

sphery:

been there for too long, probably

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ServerSage:

Should a P4 3.0GHz cpu be able to software decode 1080i from an HDPVR?

[20:19:16]

ServerSage:

Withing VDPAU that is.

[20:19:23]

ServerSage:

Wow, without. Not withing.

[20:19:49]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, simple things :)

[20:20:24]

sphery:

yeah, I just looked at what it would put in and it makes sense... [ MPEG : /dev/video0 ] or whatever

[20:21:06]

sphery:

When I first saw it, I assumed it was trying to put the cardinput name on there (which wouldn't work since that's per input, not per card)

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sphery:

I have to wonder how the guy on #8686 is getting malformed XML from Schedules Direct... I'd assume there's something non-Myth and non-SD happening there.

[20:22:28]

Beirdo:

I may tweak what it puts... but I would like to see it closed (and fixed)

[20:22:35]

sphery:

that said, the error probably isn't bad

[20:22:35]

wagnerrp:

ServerSage: not a chance

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, probably a network issue or something at best on that one

[20:22:56]

sphery:

yeah, I wasn't suggesting changing what it puts, but if you can improve it, more power to you

[20:23:26]

sphery:

I just ignored the ticket because I didn't want to argue with a user about how a cardinput.inputname does not apply to a capturecard card

[20:23:58]

Beirdo:

yeah... I'll take a look and tweak a bit... create a patch for others to admire

[20:24:00]

sphery:

though changing the status page all around to not use encoderlink and actually specify info for all inputs would be a great thing to do

[20:24:01]

Beirdo:

or something

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Assumed as much. :) Thanks.

[20:25:00]

wagnerrp:

ServerSage: that P4 3GHz is going to be hard pressed to manage 1080i MPEG2 broadcasts

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sphery:

just probably not worth the time (at least not now--I think Capt M was dong some stuff to the encoderlink to help with non-tuner backends, and it would likely be easy after those changes)

[20:25:37]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: It handles 1080i mpeg2 broadcasts ok, haven't had issues with that. But it is choking on the hdpvr stuff.

[20:25:51]

ServerSage:

wagnerrp: I just wanted to make sure it wasn't an id10t error.

[20:26:01]

wagnerrp:

at full bitrate, with deint, it would probably choke

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ServerSage:

wagnerrp: Perhaps. I think it's time to retire the old girl.

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tbones:

sphery: there is no skip-networking and i have bind--address commented out. What do you recommend?

[20:30:58]

sphery:

tbones: now check the my.cnf socket

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sphery:

and verify it's the one your mysqld is using (i.e. that the start script doesn't do otherwise) and that it's valid and ...

[20:31:33]

sphery:

if that doesn't help, I'm out of ideas

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tbones:

sphery: you may be onto something here, i have to find where the start script is. But, it looks like there is no path currently to my.conf socket

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Chaorain:

I'm having a slight problem, I used handbrake to backup one of my dvds to mkv forrmat and included the subtitles. For some reason they show up yellow and slightly blured on Mythtv but normal for vlc. The subtitles show up correctly on both when I watch the actuall dvd, help?

[20:52:32]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: #3580... you planning on messing with that? :)

[20:54:36]

Beirdo:

omg... I should go home :)

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Beirdo:

seeya on the flip side

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Chaorain:

did I make my question clear?

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sphery:

Chaorain: once you rip the DVD to mkv, there's no defined color for the subtitles, so you get the default

[21:00:14]

sphery:

since people complained about the ffmpeg default, we changed it to white, but it's probably only in development version and won't be out until 0.24 is released

[21:00:27]

Chaorain:

sphery: ok so how would I change Mythtv's default

[21:00:33]

sphery:

myth doesn't have a default

[21:00:37]

sphery:

it's ffmpeg's default

[21:00:44]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24956

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Chaorain:

but doesn't vlc use ffmpeg too?

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sphery:

yeah, but they don't use ffmpeg's default

[21:01:55]

Chaorain:

ah, makes sense now. So I'm pretty much stuck untill 0.24 comes out?

[21:01:57]

sphery:

I'm just saying you can't change it without changing the ffmpeg code in MythTV and recompiling

[21:02:02]

sphery:

yep

[21:02:18]

sphery:

or just use ISOs instead of mkv's

[21:02:23]

Chaorain:

any clue when that would be?

[21:02:29]

sphery:

original container has actual colors specified

[21:02:30]

Chaorain:

oh hey, forgot about that

[21:02:42]

sphery:

0.24 is planned for sometime around Oct

[21:03:45]

Chaorain:

October works for me. I have Mythbuntu 10.04 If I keep uptodate on the updates it will grab Mythtv too right?

[21:04:29]

sphery:

you'll likely have to get 10.10 to get 0.24 or enable the 0.24 autobuild once it's there

[21:04:49]

Chaorain:

0.24 autobuild?

[21:04:56]

sphery:

currently you have 0.23-fixes autobuilds or trunk (development/unstable/can't-go-back-to-stable) autobuilds

[21:05:02]

sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[21:05:06]

sphery:

gets the fixes for MythTV

[21:05:22]

sphery:

that said, do not enable it if you have multiple systems and some aren't Mythbuntu

[21:05:41]

Chaorain:

ok then

[21:05:45]

sphery:

if all your systems are Mythbuntu, I recommend enabling the 0.23-fixes autobuild on all of them to get bug fixes

[21:05:56]

Chaorain:

its a quad boot system but I rarely use the others

[21:06:33]

sphery:

basically, Mythbuntu has an update that won't work with older 0.23-fixes, so if you had a Mac OS system that had some old 0.23-fixes build, you couldn't use them together

[21:06:36]

Chaorain:

wait by systems do you mean actuall computers or operating systems?

[21:07:03]

sphery:

I mean things that connect into your MythTV system

[21:07:11]

sphery:

so all your frontends and backends

[21:07:34]

sphery:

if they're all Mythbuntu, you should update

[21:07:52]

sphery:

if not, just make sure they all have the protocol version increase before updating any

[21:07:52]

Chaorain:

ok I have the one that is both and a Ubuntu laptop I've been thinking about conecting

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sphery:

oh, well Ubuntu = Mythbuntu

[21:08:29]

sphery:

so if you have Fedora or LinHES or ..., just check them before updating

[21:08:39]

Chaorain:

yeah so the fixes should fix the subtitles along with other bugs that go unseen?

[21:08:59]

sphery:

the subtitle color isn't changed in -fixes

[21:09:08]

sphery:

that will only happen with 0.24

[21:09:10]

Chaorain:

RedHat Enterprise = Pure Evile in my opinion

[21:09:16]

sphery:

but the fixes will fix a lot of bugs

[21:09:22]

Chaorain:

ah

[21:09:40]

sphery:

the version of MythTV shipped with *buntu 10.04 is a pre-release version with some pretty major known bugs

[21:10:00]

sphery:

so you should update to current 0.23-fixes

[21:10:19]

Chaorain:

speaking of bugs I only have one outstanding bug, sometimes my recording is blank, I checked the file and it is only a few kilobytes in size

[21:10:21]

sphery:

and if you're using only *buntu systems with your MythTV, there's no reason not to

[21:10:36]

sphery:

that's likely a problem with your capture device or its drivers

[21:10:38]

sphery:

Myth

[21:10:48]

sphery:

mythbackend writes whatever the card gives it

[21:11:01]

sphery:

if we only get 20KB in an hour, that's how big your recording will be

[21:11:17]

Chaorain:

ok, I did have some major problems getting it to work

[21:12:00]

Chaorain:

well it loads a black screen for a few seconds and then goes back to the menu

[21:12:18]

sphery:

others might be able to help more if you mention what type of capture device and what source of TV you're using (i.e PVR-150 connected to analog cable or PVR-150 connected to cable set-top-box or HD-PVR with cable STB or HDHomeRun connected to an OTA antenna)

[21:12:56]

Chaorain:

it is a hvr-950q

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sphery:

yeah, black screen is the please wait, then going back to the menu because it reached the end of the file with nothing to play

[21:13:40]

Chaorain:

I have the please wait screen then a completely black screen

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Chaorain:

I also tried to get some other cards to work but they refused to tune to any channel. I think it has something to do with the fact this computer is probably 6 years old

[21:15:11]

arlekin:

Hi. I'm having WriteAudio: buffer underrun and audio get jittery. Any way to enlarge the buffers on mythtv? Might this help?

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sphery:

arlekin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

[21:15:52]

sphery:

the problem isn't the buffer size, it's something else

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sphery:

i.e. your system config or audio config or ...

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arlekin:

sphery: been ther and done it all...no luck :(. Card is saa7134 bases. Audi is hda-intel

[21:17:38]

Chaorain:

sphery: you have been extremely helpfull

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sphery:

arlekin: congrats, then... that means when you figure out what's causing yours, you get to add it to the list on the page :)

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sphery:

Chaorain: good luck and enjoy

[21:19:23]

arlekin:

sphery: :) will do...though there are some options there that I just cannot find in my frontend

[21:19:46]

arlekin:

sphery: like "Use video as timebase"

[21:20:31]

sphery:

we may have removed that one...

[21:20:33]

sphery:

let me look

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arlekin:

sphery: worst thing is that it was working fine in karmic

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arlekin:

sphery: what about Set "Upmix" to "Passive" in Utilities/Setup|Setup|General. Also cannot find it

[21:21:58]

sphery:

that's been changed around some... don't know how current config works

[21:22:02]

sphery:

(especially in trunk)

[21:22:17]

sphery:

yeah, use video as timebase is gone since before 0.23

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sphery:

I think the upmix is in "Advanced audio configuration"

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arlekin:

not present with my setup at least..

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sphery:

arlekin: changed name: "Upconvert stereo to 5.1 surround"

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sphery:

and "Upmix" ... I guess it's still there

[21:36:29]

sphery:

but has changed a bit

[21:37:07]

sphery:

now upmix doesn't matter, once you disable "Upconvert stereo to 5.1 surround"

[21:38:28]

sphery:

thanks for mentioning those... I updated the page

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arlekin:

sphery: ok, I'll keep looking for the answer

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Beirdo:

What the heck was the DBOX2?

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wagnerrp:

dreambox2

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wagnerrp:

a hacked up satellite receiver with an USB video output

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

no wonder danielk ripped it out :)

[22:22:59]

wagnerrp:

er no, thats the r5000

[22:23:10]

wagnerrp:

dbox was some form of hackable STB though

[22:23:23]

Beirdo:

cool

[22:23:41]

Beirdo:

was just tracking stuff down in #7783

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Shadow__X:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBox2

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Beirdo:

and the prototype of CardUtil::GetDeviceLabel changed when he ripped out the DBOX2 support in [22790]

[22:25:19]

Beirdo:

ah, neat

[22:26:32]

wagnerrp:

that second paragraph on the wiki entry is key

[22:26:58]

Beirdo:

yeah

[22:27:05]

Beirdo:

I noticed that :)

[22:27:10]

wagnerrp:

that, plus the thing hasnt been produced in a decade

[22:27:20]

Beirdo:

flush.

[22:27:35]

Beirdo:

it can swirl around the bowl a bit

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice... "particularly common among enthusiasts and those who intend to obtain services without payment"

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

wouldn't that be pronounced, "Thieves"

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Beirdo:

or Arrrrr, ye pirates!

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sphery:

yeah, that too

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Beirdo:

#7783 will need tweaking to even compile.

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Beirdo:

I'll see what I come up with as a replacement :)

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Beirdo:

it better hurry and finish compiling though

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Beirdo:

got a recording at 8

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sphery:

heh, the benefit of a dedicated dev box

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Beirdo:

I'll get there sometime

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Beirdo:

I'm installing into /opt/mythtv/${BRANCH} and run from there

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sphery:

you have no idea how many recordings I ruined when I forgot to check the clock/recordings before I got my dedicated box

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

you have to many recordings anyways :)

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Beirdo:

too many rather

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Beirdo:

I'm getting illiterate

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

still only 1360--same as yesterday

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

(watched a few, recorded a few)

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Beirdo:

I'll get up there eventually

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sphery:

and these are the slow-recordings days of summer

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

sphery: do you transcode them?

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sphery:

no

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Beirdo:

ooooh, Burn Notice is commflagging

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Shadow__X:

it would be great if it was 1360 hd recordings

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sphery:

transcoding causes Global Warming

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

it is 1360 HDTV recordings

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Shadow__X:

nice

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Beirdo:

mythtv causes global warming

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sphery:

in MPEG-2 OTA full quality

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Beirdo:

witness my living room

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sphery:

actually, some aren't HDTV, but that's just things like original Outer Limits and New Yankee Workshop, etc.

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Beirdo:

how much disk are you sporting at this point?

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sphery:

I have 10.5TB

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kormoc:

The daystar causes global warming which is why it must be destroyed

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Beirdo:

nice

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Shadow__X:

am i correct in thinking ota broadcasts have more data that qam ?

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sphery:

still behind iamlindoro's 22TB

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Beirdo:

I want a 1PB setup

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

FYI, apple's airport extreme does not see 2tb usb disks

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** kormoc mumbles **

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Beirdo:

oh, that's lame

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah... We could create a wormhole to a planet that's in orbit around a black hole and then drop the Stargate into our sun

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Shadow__X:

that sucks

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kormoc:

sphery, Ooh, I like where you are going with this

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Beirdo:

well, I can do without Wipeout if I have to

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Beirdo:

but Futurama at 9, that's another story

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Beirdo:

it's compiling mythvideo right now

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sphery:

kormoc: I'll stay here with Dr Keller while you and Rodney write the software

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kormoc:

Hrm

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kormoc:

I think you have the better end of that deal

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sphery:

Shadow__X: often rebroadcasters re-encode at lower bitrate so they can shove more stuff down the pipes, so OTA can be better quality

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sphery:

kormoc: of course I do

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sphery:

you may get more screen time, but I'll still have the better end of the deal talking with the Doc

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Beirdo:

talking?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think you could do it for <<$100K

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Beirdo:

oooh, build done

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sphery:

gotta get to know her... she has a beautiful mind

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Beirdo:

oooh wonderful

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Beirdo:

schema update :)

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sphery:

not mine

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sphery:

it does ask, first, though

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Beirdo:

it's been a couple weeks

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sphery:

(unless you started non-interactively)

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arlekin:

anyone knows how can I install mythtv 0.22 instead of 0.23 on lucid 10.04?

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Beirdo:

1259 -> 1260

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to?

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sphery:

arlekin: why would you want the older one

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sphery:

too slow, again

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arlekin:

I'm having some audio issues I don think I had in 0.22

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, that was to update your key bindings in case you had a setting set that, unfortunately, was set by default

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Beirdo:

Encoder 1 [ /dev/video-hdpvr0 : ] is local on mythtv and is not recording.

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wagnerrp:

are you running ubuntu or mythbuntu?

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Beirdo:

heh

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arlekin:

video is ahead of audio and i get a WriteAudio bufer underrun

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Beirdo:

I think I borked that call

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arlekin:

i m using ubuntu

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sphery:

Beirdo: shouldn't that be [ <type> : <device> ]?

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wagnerrp:

may be issues with pulseaudio

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Beirdo:

should be

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

ah, yeah, forgot about pulse

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Beirdo:

I think I called wrong

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arlekin:

i m using ALSA:deault

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arlekin:

as output

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sphery:

well you only have 4 minutes left, so might want to hold?

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sphery:

arlekin: but if the system is running Pulse, it's likely to cause problems

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

what worth would the be for a UPNP recording source?

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Beirdo:

fixed it, now to recompile :)

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Beirdo:

ccache to the rescue

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wagnerrp:

are there any cable/satellite tuners that dump over UPNP?

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Beirdo:

doubtful

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arlekin:

sphery: ok, i ll try purging pulse

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wagnerrp:

surely windows media center doesnt do (proper) upnp

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Beirdo:

why upnp?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I heard a rumor someone may do some BDA support for MythTV

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Beirdo:

am I missing something here?

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sphery:

(BDA is the Windows version of V4L)

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wagnerrp:

wiki feature request

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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wagnerrp:

allowing a UPNP 'tuner' input

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Beirdo:

interesting idea

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wagnerrp:

seems interesting, i dont see anything inherently wrong with it

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see any use for it either

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Beirdo:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/hHthN7Kp

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Beirdo:

yeah, me neither, off hand

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Beirdo:

sphery: that more like it?

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

would help users who use backend status to see which tuner is in use

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Beirdo:

I want to add the card's configured display name

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sphery:

the configured display name is the inputs

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sphery:

so that would require the change to not using encoderlink/showing all inputs

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sphery:

(at least as I understand it)

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I don't like that this patch does an SQL query...

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Beirdo:

I'm sure that is in CardUtil somewhere

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Beirdo:

if not, it dang well should be

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sphery:

yeah, it would be nice to find a better approach than the SQL query in there

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1724 . . . dable-3d-tvs ... just what I've been waiting for

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sphery:

now I can ditch MythTV and enjoy all that 3D content they're broadcasting

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wagnerrp:

what is a 'recordable tv'?

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wagnerrp:

has a built in DVR?

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sphery:

best I could figure it's ... yeah

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wagnerrp:

or has cameras for videophone

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sphery:

after all, who wouldn't want to throw out the whole 3D TV when they needed more storage?

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arlekin:

sphery: no luck purging pulse out of lucid. The card was working just fine on karmic. Any way to easly test previous 0.23 mythtv version on lucid?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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sphery:

when did Chips Ahoy stop doing sleeves of cookies?

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Beirdo:

wonder if I shouldn't add attributes earlier up in the call tree

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sphery:

arlekin: I don't know *buntu... Best I can say is that you can't downgrade the database, so unlesss you still have the pre-upgrade backup, you couldn't go back to 0.22-fixes permanently

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sphery:

arlekin: so I'd recommend pressing on and figuring out what's misconfigured on the system

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sphery:

i.e. it should work fine assuming you have proper hardware

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arlekin:

sphery: the only issue i remember having with this card was that i had to set the rate limit to 32000 so I wouldn t get funny voices :)

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sphery:

ah, so you're recording at 32kHz?

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sphery:

if so, there's a good chance the change is due to the audio changes in MythTV that now do all the upsampling stuff

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sphery:

which means you'll need to keep working to find the correct set of config options for your situation

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arlekin:

sphery: yes 32kHz

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arlekin:

sphery: I don t know what else to configure :( , I guess the tuner soundcard might have something to do then

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sphery:

no, it's likely playback

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sphery:

try playing a recording using mplayer or xine or ... and if it works, then you just have to set up mythtv playback and audio options correctly

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sphery:

and you'll likely find someone else who's configured 0.23-fixes to work properly with 32kHz audio on the mythtv-users mailing list

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sphery:

they'd be a lot more help than me

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arlekin:

ok, thanks sphery, will try that

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sphery:

good luck

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BigBeerJR:

can anyone lend a hand to help me get jamu going to populate metadata and artwork for mythvideo? I can get jamu to run and the metadata is in the database, and the artwork is all present. But on my frontend in myth video there is nothing listed and no artwork :(

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wagnerrp:

have you closed and re-opened mythvideo to allow the content to refresh?

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BigBeerJR:

yes, even restarted the frontend

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wagnerrp:

are you by any chance running a database on each frontend?

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BigBeerJR:

ok, maybe not

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BigBeerJR:

no

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BigBeerJR:

I have a new question about jamu

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BigBeerJR:

(the restart worked)

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BigBeerJR:

ok wiki it says to only run on the backend, which is what I did

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wagnerrp:

rather, it only works if it has local access to the files

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BigBeerJR:

just for fun after I typed in 1st question I ran on FE, and then restarted after your suggestion and presto, everything was there in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

if you are using storage groups, you need to run it on each backend which would be serving that content

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BigBeerJR:

I'm using nfs

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wagnerrp:

if you are using the old direct access settings, you can run it on any frontend with file access

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BigBeerJR:

ah ok

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BigBeerJR:

I take that as "have to"

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BigBeerJR:

I ran it on the backend, and it populated everything, but nothing would show in the FE

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wagnerrp:

have to what?

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BigBeerJR:

have to run it on the FE

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wagnerrp:

does your backend have mythvideo set up?

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BigBeerJR:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then it should work fine

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BigBeerJR:

ok

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wagnerrp:

assuming all your frontends have the same exact NFS mounts set up

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BigBeerJR:

which the do

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wagnerrp:

why are you sticking to the old direct access instead of storage groups?

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BigBeerJR:

cause the last time I used myth was .21 and that is what I know

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BigBeerJR:

so, trying to get it going again, still lots of new stuff

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wagnerrp:

storage groups make setup of secondary systems much easier

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wagnerrp:

and currently, their only drawback is the inability to play VIDEO_TS folders or ISOs

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BigBeerJR:

that's not a big deal, those are on their way out anyways

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BigBeerJR:

back in the day my backend would crash a lot and with nfs you could still watch things if the database was still up

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BigBeerJR:

but so far everything has been very stable, I'll have to look into storage groups

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wagnerrp:

currently, the frontend immediately starts complaining if it loses access to the backend

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wagnerrp:

luckily i cant recall the last time my backend has crashed

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wagnerrp:

been over a year

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BigBeerJR:

thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

check out http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo , it should explain all of this

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wagnerrp:

well that was a funky looking airplane

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wagnerrp:

coming in low, and awfully slow for approach

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kormoc:

that was no moon^Wairplane

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wagnerrp:

landing lights visible, no strobes, so its just an equilateral triangle moving slowly across the sky

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kormoc:

you must be near Area 52

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wagnerrp:

understandable how people would mistake that for aliens

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arlekin:

WriteAudio buffer underrun (video ahead of audio) only when watching Live Tv. If I watch a recording audio/video is perfect (even with the Mythtv frontend). Can this narrow the possible causes down?

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sphery:

arlekin: sounds like you have different recording profiles for Live TV and recordings

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arlekin:

sphery: sry, not quite follow, how could i check that?

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