Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 23rd, 2010, 00:02 AST

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[R]:

Beirdo: hey

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Beirdo:

whazzup [R]?

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[R]:

i saw you took ticket 7783

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wagnerrp:

hes the man in the box

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[R]:

its totally awesome and rocks my socks off... been using it for months

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Beirdo:

yeah, workin it a bit, yeah

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Beirdo:

along with doing work work

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Beirdo:

why? :)

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[R]:

if i could have to deal with 1 less patch...

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Beirdo:

heh, soon enough

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Beirdo:

I'm just looking to see if there's a more elegant way

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Beirdo:

and I want to add the displayname if possible

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Beirdo:

OK, I see the problem here...

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Beirdo:

the httpstatus.cpp is collecting cardid

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Beirdo:

it should be collecting cardinputid

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Beirdo:

the scheduler uses cardinputid

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

in some places

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Beirdo:

I need something stronger than Mexican Coca Cola

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wagnerrp:

columbian coca cola?

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Beirdo:

I'm thinking.... scotch

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[R]:

i love scotch... scotchy scotchy schotch

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wagnerrp:

i love this burrito

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[R]:

its just so filling

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wagnerrp:

i cant possibly eat any more

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sphery:

arlekin: Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Recording Profiles

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, 5 lbs taco del mar?

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Beirdo:

mmmm, burrito

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Beirdo:

went to Chipotle for lunch

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kormoc:

Qdoba is better on the burrito front, chipotle has better chips...

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Beirdo:

yup, on both counts

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Beirdo:

but xris likes Chipotle :)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, 5 lbs taco del mar burrito, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qrIV9CKWSs&am . . . yer_embedded

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kormoc:

silly guy

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: did you just throw a burrito out your window?

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Beirdo:

they are only like a block apart by work too

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, how'd you see that?

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Beirdo:

SPLAT!

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wagnerrp:

are you high or something??? did you see what happened???

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kormoc:

what does it mean man? WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

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wagnerrp:

thats my chopper you just thrashed, brosef

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xris:

kormoc: for no-meat options, chipotle wins now that qdoba killed off their grilled veggia burrito

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xris:

and the chipotle tabasco sauce (unrelated to the restaurant but available there) seals the deal.

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Beirdo:

mmmmm

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Beirdo:

yeah, that is a strong bonus, but nothing stopping us from carting our own :)

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wagnerrp:

xris: ever tried their honey vinaigrette?

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kormoc:

honey vinaigrette veggies?

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Beirdo:

that does sound potentially yummy

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wagnerrp:

you pour it on the burrito as you eat it, its delicious

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

chipotle tobasco ++

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

similar use

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Beirdo:

totally different flavor of course

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Beirdo:

I am getting confused with this code

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I bumped mythproto, need to update mythweb too

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wagnerrp:

the proto got bumped?

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Beirdo:

57->58

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Beirdo:

as I said... I hadn't updated for a couple weeks

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** wagnerrp thought i did that one **

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Beirdo:

yeah, I mean, it was bumped

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Beirdo:

not that I bumped it (other than by updating code)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

OK, forget the displayname for now

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Beirdo:

now to get rid of that extra query.. if possible

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Linux000:

does anyone on here know how to trouble shoot a PVR-500? It shows up in mythtv-setup, but it won't see any channels, either tuner.

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kormoc:

Linux000, you're not scanning are you?

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Linux000:

kormoc: yes, in Input Connections setup

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wagnerrp:

you should be importing them from your schedules direct lineup

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wagnerrp:

analog scanning should work

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wagnerrp:

if you cant pick up any channels on an analog scan, its possible your local comcast franchise has simply turned off analog transmissions

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Linux000:

I did, but then I run the frontend and try live tv, and the backend log shows a lot of device error detected entries

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Linux000:

And I checked the cable with an analog tv I had, it worked just fine

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Captain_Murdoch:

nice.... browse to http://MasterBackendIP:6544/Myth/GetFileLinks . . . Pod%20Videos and get a list of links to previously-encoded .mp4 files in a test "iPod Videos" Storage Group. click/tap one those links (which is of the format http://MasterBackendIP:6544/Myth/GetFile?Stor . . . omefile.mp4) and the video starts playing on the iPod.

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wagnerrp:

getfilelinks? thats one not documented on the mythxmltest application

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Captain_Murdoch:

nah, neither is getfile, those are only in my source. :)

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: you never cease to amaze :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have a user job now which transcodes recording and makes html files with links in them. this negates the need for that and also allows you to get at any file in any Storage Group via the http backend webserver.

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kormoc:

pre-encoded streaming is easy, getting live streaming working in mythweb was a epic pain in the buttocks

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Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, yeah, not even trying to tackle that. too many other things on my plate.

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

heh, understandable

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Captain_Murdoch:

this is just a generic 'gimme file X in SG Y'

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kormoc:

took me at least 3 months to get it going

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kormoc:

and the jumping around, whee!

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, but in anycase, that's pretty cool, can't wait to use it

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Beirdo:

10 minutes left on this Royal Pains capture

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Beirdo:

then I can try my latest tweak.

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Beirdo:

if this works as expected, I think I'll move the devlabel query into CardUtil, I think

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Beirdo:

OK. Anyone wanna look over the patch? :)

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[R]:

can i give you ebay style feedback?

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[R]:

i love doing that at work

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wagnerrp:

bonus points if you have functional ascii art

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kormoc:

ban points if the ascii art is a functional goatse

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

seriously though... i once said "A+++++ awesome code" to someone

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[R]:

so i'm watching this old house... its just not the same w/o bob vila and norm abrams

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . atus.3.patch

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Beirdo:

gonna commit it in a few unless I hear horrible screaming

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Beirdo:

I'm still not happy with having to do that query

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[R]:

how else would you d oit?

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Beirdo:

by having that info in a class somewhere already? :)

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kormoc:

LIMIT 1 it?

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Beirdo:

ah, that would be a good plan

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

wait

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kormoc:

isn't cardid unique?

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Beirdo:

yes. AFAIK

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kormoc:

it's primary auto_increment

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Beirdo:

the order by is a waste too, I guess

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kormoc:

skip the order by then, it'll only ever match one anyway :)

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Beirdo:

"SELECT DISTINCT cardtype " "FROM capturecard"

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Beirdo:

or I guess add LIMIT 1 anyways

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Beirdo:

err

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kormoc:

no need to distinct, it's always single row

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Beirdo:

wrong dang query

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kormoc:

I'd just remove the order by and call it good

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kormoc:

(single or zero rows)

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Beirdo:

"SELECT cardtype, videodevice " "FROM capturecard WHERE cardid = :CARDID "

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Beirdo:

there

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[R]:

they are talking about china bowls on this old house... once at work soemoen was telling me about china markers and i thought he was being racist... lol

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Beirdo:

not gonna mess with the other queries right now

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Beirdo:

thanks, kormoc :)

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kormoc:

np

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Beirdo:

that had crossed my mind, but I left it the way the dude had it

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kormoc:

It's a really good habit to drop off any DISTINCTs, ORDER BY, GROUP BY, etc that you don't need

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Beirdo:

yeah, makes sense

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kormoc:

allows you to stream result sets without having it cache in the engines

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

Encoder 1 [ HDPVR : /dev/video-hdpvr0 ] is local on mythtv and is not recording.

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Beirdo:

in the mythtv status page in mythweb

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Beirdo:

that's what this patch is doing :)

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Beirdo:

one last compile to make sure I didn't fat-finger that

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kormoc:

Signed off by: kormoc

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

we'll have that capability with git

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Beirdo:

and done

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Beirdo:

OK, how is ffmpeg ac3dec NOT audio-related?

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paras:

has nuvexport been removed from 0.23 ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Beirdo:

don't think it was packaged by certain distros

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wagnerrp:

mythextras, same as always

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paras:

argh, gentoo again... doesn't seem to have it

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: is there an ABI version to bump as I added a method in libmythtv/cardutil.(h|cpp)?

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paras:

when mythtranscode is running on a recording with commercial breaks, it always segfaults, without commercial breaks it doesn't... is this a known problem ?

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justinh:

is anything ever a known problem? I mean if a user doesn't know if it's known it must be an unknown.. which means it can't be known. Silly people

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rileyp:

Silly Justinh Just because I don't know anything about global warming does not mean it does not exist it just means I don't know about it.

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justinh:

hahaha Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel... 0 stars. thanks Radio Times

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justinh:

don't think I've ever seen RT give something 0

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Brad-D:

morning gang

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rileyp:

http://pastebin.ca/1906878 can anyone help me with this

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rileyp:

its about getting mythtv recodings onto my ipod via driect download from home rss server

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Brad-D:

i'm afraid i can't help rileyp, but i'm curious what you are using to do that?

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rileyp:

http://code.google.com/p/mythpodcaster/

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Brad-D:

thanks, i will check it out

[11:20:48]

rileyp:

funny he makes no mention of it not working at all on mobile safari meaning you cant use it on an ipod or iphone or ipad unless you do the resolving for mac reader

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rileyp:

I made a post in the issues section and this is wher I found out my problem

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sphery:

Beirdo: nice work on [25411] / #7783

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sphery:

very clean

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** sphery needs to go in and move the "Storage remaining after ..." stuff to a lib and then make it available in the frontend system status page **

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Beirdo:

sphery: thank you ;)

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** wagnerrp has ham **

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Beirdo:

so far... only one UPnP client email

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Beirdo:

and all the person gave was product name. Not terribly helpful

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sphery:

heh

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gbee:

mythweb has yet to be updated for the 'new' mythvideo?

[11:51:50]

sphery:

hope you get more/better information as more people see it

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Beirdo:

let's hope so

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wagnerrp:

gbee: it was updated, but it was updated wrong

[11:53:07]

gbee:

ok, I'm just seeing "Error MythWeb now requires use of the Videos Storage Group."

[11:53:36]

wagnerrp:

yeah, means youre still using old local access in mythvideo

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gbee:

hmm, yeah I read it wrong

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** gbee doesn't use mythweb much **

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Beirdo:

ugh, time to head for work :)

[11:56:12]

sphery:

and even with SG's, it puts bad data in the DB, right? (meaning that in general people just shouldn't use MythWeb's MythVideo, yet?)

[11:56:13]

Beirdo:

I need coffee

[11:56:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, thats what i mean by it was updated wrong

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wagnerrp:

access through it is probably harmless

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wagnerrp:

but using the scan is going to cause problems

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gbee:

I'm just looking for a way to browse the titles from where I am

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gbee:

looks like it's still referencing imdb/allocine

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justinh:

Beirdo: just for trunk or -fixes?

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justinh:

Beirdo: I can fire up the joggler here.. that's got a upnp client

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justinh:

only one in the house as far as I know

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sphery:

I have an XBox 360... But it's an XBox 360 and MythTV isn't Microsoft.

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justinh:

so is dlna just a new name for upnp to try & shake off the bad reputation of upnp?

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wagnerrp:

its a restricted form of it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, how locked up do you expect Ultraviolet to be

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wagnerrp:

ultraviolet?

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sphery:

I'm guessing as bad or worse than BluRay

[12:11:55]

wagnerrp:

that the thing that uses the same laser as bluray, but with better optics for 20x the space?

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sphery:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/201478/hollywo . . . ml?tk=hp_new

[12:12:11]

sphery:

no, basically a cloud-storage of your digital media

[12:12:58]

sphery:

kind of like Steam for media?

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wagnerrp:

do you actually download? or just stream?

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sphery:

stream, normally, but they say they will allow download to "offline" media devices (ipods, etc)

[12:15:44]

sphery:

and, in theory, there are multiple "providers" (though they don't really explain the idea of a provider--storage provider, license provider, place to buy physical media...)

[12:16:27]

sphery:

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/07/20 . . . aviolet.html is another description

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sphery:

very similar, though

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drindt:

what can i do my mytharchive can't successfully fetch the metadata of a movie, the text information is fine, but not the images from cover and so on. the log is here http://fpaste.org/PPKw/ how can i fix it?

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wagnerrp:

drindt: upgrade

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sphery:

mytharchive does metadata?

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drindt:

wagnerrp: what to upgrade? i have the most recent version installed (i guess so)

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wagnerrp:

i assume it just pulls coverart out of mythvideo to use as backgrounds

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wagnerrp:

drindt: what does mythbackend --version say?

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sphery:

drindt: are you using mythbuntu? http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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sphery:

you need the 0.23-fixes one

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drindt:

wagnerrp: here is my version output http://fpaste.org/Hr4B/

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wagnerrp:

please upgrade past r25356

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sphery:

and if fedora's packager doesn't have it, you'll have to ask them for an update :)

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drindt:

wagnerrp: ok, i will try to fix that by hand in the meantime i speak to the packager

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wagnerrp:

only way to 'fix it by hand' is to compile the source for yourself

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i thougt that the py script is the Corpus Delicti

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wagnerrp:

no, the problem is the python script is returning what the TMDB API gives it

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wagnerrp:

which are redirect links

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wagnerrp:

and mythvideo cannot properly handle these redirects

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drindt:

wagnerrp: oh thats bad then.

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wagnerrp:

you could alter the python script to test each link, and if it is a redirect, get the link it goes to

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drindt:

to bad that my connection here is limited, so i would rebuild it myself, but i have now to wait...

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i see here, that the version may be pretty outdated when i compare the revision numbers... http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/de . . . thvideo.html

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wagnerrp:

note that the revision numbers are next to meaningless when referring to the -fixes branch

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wagnerrp:

nearly all commits will be against trunk

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wagnerrp:

so over 100 revisions, only a handful would have been made against -fixes

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drindt:

wagnerrp: perhaps i have this weekend time i will search bugtracker and try to apply the patch against the fixed release-0-23-fixes

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drindt:

thanks for the information, and help

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Brad-D:

if i have a pretty powerful gaming computer and dual boot it into linux, is it possible for me to have a mythbackend working to add extra horse power to transcoding ops? (if i have huge queues of transcoding)

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wagnerrp:

what is there to apply? just pull a newer revision of the source, and build on your own

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: run `mythjobqueue`

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wagnerrp:

you will have to set it up as normal in `mythtv-setup`

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drindt:

wagnerrp: iam afraid about to have new problems on different places

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Brad-D:

oh really? I knew you guys would have something spiffy for this. awesome

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wagnerrp:

drindt: be forewarned that there has been a protocol bump in -fixes

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wagnerrp:

if you upgrade to the latest -fixes, you must upgrade any connected myth systems at the same time

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drindt:

wagnerrp: so i have to rebuild all the clients?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but it should be listed as 0.23.1 now to denote the change

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: are there release notes for .23.1?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but theyre empty

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sphery:

drindt: best bet is to ping the packagers and ask them when they'll have an updated version available. If you mention that specific issue (MythVideo TMDB lookups fail to download images) and the revision that fixed it in 0.23-fixes (r25356), then you /and/ everyone else using Fedora can benefit.

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you in?

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iamlindoro:

in and out

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

#3580... it's in your queue, just wondering if you were planning on messing with it

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iamlindoro:

Not at the moment, not without the author turning up and updating it for trunk

[13:33:21]

iamlindoro:

so feel free to take it if you are in the mood :)

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iamlindoro:

There is probably little updating to do

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Beirdo:

OK. I'll keep my eye on it :)

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Beirdo:

I like getting rid of old tickets :)

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Beirdo:

I guess you kinda noticed that already

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** iamlindoro has closed a few hundred this year **

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iamlindoro:

including ancient ones-- so I'm all for it ;)

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Beirdo:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

I still want #724 to die

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Beirdo:

we can open another new ticket for whatever "remaining" related issued exist

[13:35:46]

Beirdo:

but I'm pretty sure that the exact problem stated is gone

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

724 should be closed as the issue it mentions is resolved

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Beirdo:

and it's the oldest open ticket

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sphery:

then we should add a task ticket for "rework OSD timeout settings to make everyone happy and give them all ponies"

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Beirdo:

yup

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drindt:

sphery: yes thats true i will ping the packager now

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Beirdo:

sphery: if ya feel like doing that, cool :)

[13:37:30]

sphery:

Beirdo: If I do that, it will upset the people who know that I want the settings in the theme

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sphery:

I need an unbiased 3rd party to do it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

understood

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Beirdo:

I nominate wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

wait.. what am i doing now?

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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Beirdo:

#724 is no longer valid... but we need a task ticket to resolve reworking OSD timeout settings

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Beirdo:

i.e. a new one :)

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Beirdo:

#724 itself has been resolved by using ONE timeout for everything. They are no longer "inconsistent"

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sphery:

make sure you mention the ponies, too :)

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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Beirdo:

created 11/28/05

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Beirdo:

the thing is nearly 5 years old

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** kormoc looks worried for when the oldest ticket is a mythweb one **

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Beirdo:

got a ways to go, kormoc :)

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Beirdo:

the 7th oldest is mythweb-related (adding gallery module)

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Beirdo:

and there are at least 2 competing requests for that

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sphery:

besides, you'd just sweep in with one of your famous "one night, 100 bugs" efforts and make something else have the oldest bug

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Beirdo:

hehe. Yeah, kormoc on a roll is an impressive thing :)

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sphery:

heh, so with the gallery one, you could close the old one as a dup :)

[13:43:09]

Beirdo:

or just close em both as dups of each other. ooops.

[13:43:10]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

#2301 and #2923 seem to be dups title-wise

[13:43:57]

Beirdo:

likely different ways of doing it, and likely we want neither

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sphery:

yeah, isn't gallery now updated to like version 25

[13:44:52]

sphery:

(just meaning that a 4-yr-old ticket that implements then-current Gallery is probably not that useful)

[13:45:06]

kormoc:

yeah...

[13:45:08]

Beirdo:

yeah, you are quite likely right

[13:45:23]

kormoc:

I need to install mythgallery and see

[13:45:41]

Beirdo:

maybe a task ticket rolling up that we need some sort of gallery support in mythweb, and let the experts decide what to add? ;)

[13:45:43]

sphery:

then again, if it's: http://apachegallery.dk/

[13:45:58]

Beirdo:

I need to get smacking mythgallery around the ears

[13:45:58]

sphery:

maybe that's just a perl module for it

[13:46:01]

kormoc:

I just have no reason to use mythcallery... makes it hard to bother to test/write something :P

[13:46:24]

Beirdo:

yeah, I hope to have it using storage groups real soon

[13:46:32]

Beirdo:

and then add the API stuff...

[13:46:32]

sphery:

mythcallery is a limited version of MythMusic? http://www.seancallery.com/sean_callery/?ref=none

[13:46:39]

sphery:

only plays Sean's music?

[13:46:55]

wagnerrp:

callery?

[13:47:07]

kormoc:

whoops

[13:47:26]

Beirdo:

buncha pedantic geezers today, aren't we? :)

[13:47:35]

sphery:

or maybe that's the updated mythphone?

[13:47:42]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:47:46]

sphery:

pedantic is fun

[13:47:52]

Beirdo:

I never got the idea of using my TV as a phone

[13:48:00]

iamlindoro:

*Being* pedantic is fun.

[13:48:02]

iamlindoro:

;)

[13:48:07]

wagnerrp:

bah... beat me to it

[13:48:18]

sphery:

iamlindoro: true... receiving isn't so fun

[13:48:36]

sphery:

Beirdo: OK, looks like Gallery 2 is becoming Gallery 3 (RC2 now)

[13:48:39]

sphery:

http://gallery.menalto.com/

[13:48:40]

Beirdo:

yup

[13:48:44]

Beirdo:

and once it does....

[13:48:50]

sphery:

once it does...

[13:48:51]

Beirdo:

gallery3 API support is on my list

[13:48:53]

sphery:

now is close enough

[13:48:54]

gbee:

Beirdo: only recently did I see the appeal of using the TV for video conferencing, but just as a phone? no

[13:49:04]

sphery:

(meaning now is close enough to kill those old tix)

[13:49:11]

Beirdo:

heh, yeah, I guess

[13:49:27]

Beirdo:

I think gallery3 API support would end up in 0.25 at the earliest

[13:49:36]

Beirdo:

don't think I'll have that in for Sept 1

[13:49:43]

Beirdo:

flickr support PERHAPS :)

[13:49:43]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[13:49:45]

sphery:

kind of a big job

[13:49:48]

Beirdo:

it is

[13:50:06]

Beirdo:

and mythgallery needs a bit of a cleanup in the process

[13:50:39]

Beirdo:

oh joy :)

[13:51:04]

Beirdo:

at least mythweather is done other than animated maps (which isn't far off either)

[13:51:07]

kormoc:

can't support flickr without picasa or photobucket or zooomr or DrUpload or...

[13:51:15]

iamlindoro:

smugmug

[13:51:27]

Beirdo:

flickr and picasa have good APIs

[13:51:38]

iamlindoro:

I started to look at flickr support a while back but it was important to me that API support be pluggable

[13:51:44]

iamlindoro:

and I got distracted

[13:51:52]

Beirdo:

if other photo sites have API access to your galleries, I'd be happy to look at them too

[13:52:20]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: yah, rearchitecting the plugin is part of the fun

[13:52:25]

iamlindoro:

If the support is built around some core API access classes that we can just subclass, I would add smugmug myself :)

[13:52:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro wants his smugmug on all MythTV boxes

[13:52:50]

kormoc:

yeah

[13:52:57]

kormoc:

if we do that

[13:53:02]

kormoc:

I can ignore mythgallery in mythweb

[13:53:14]

Beirdo:

yeah, pretty much

[13:53:15]

kormoc:

as they can just go to <already on the web gallery> and manage it all there

[13:53:32]

sphery:

kormoc: that reasoning didn't work for MythWeather

[13:53:33]

kormoc:

Yay! Death to duplicated effort!

[13:53:36]

Beirdo:

or install gallery3 and point it at the same directory at worst

[13:54:13]

kormoc:

sphery, heh... true...

[13:54:17]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

[13:54:23]

sphery:

Gallery 3 integration: <a href="/gallery3">Gallery 3</a>

[13:54:33]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:54:45]

kormoc:

hrm

[13:54:47]

sphery:

kormoc can make the pretty icon for it :)

[13:54:52]

Beirdo:

speaking of which, last I looked my weather was borked in mythweb

[13:54:54]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[13:55:12]

sphery:

(and deal with all the issues of "installed on another host" or "mythweb is installed in root of apache" or ...)

[13:55:13]

Beirdo:

yup, still is

[13:55:14]

kormoc:

if any of you guys know of any rendering bugs in my cleanBlue mythweb theme, please make tickets, cause I'm sure I've been told a few but I forgot every last one...

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Beirdo:

broken links for every image, no temperatures

[13:55:36]

Beirdo:

kormoc: cool, will do

[13:55:59]

sphery:

I really think we should remove MythWeather from MythWeb and just have a page that links to the original sources

[13:56:03]

sphery:

it's a waste of dev time

[13:56:12]

Beirdo:

agreed

[13:56:25]

sphery:

(where here, dev = kormoc )

[13:56:29]

kormoc:

heh

[13:56:36]

Beirdo:

or we could make it run mythweather and screen capture :)

[13:56:40]

Beirdo:

heheh

[13:56:45]

sphery:

heh

[13:56:49]

kormoc:

you know

[13:56:53]

sphery:

use the remote + screenshot stuff

[13:57:08]

kormoc:

sphery, I can hard-lock a machine by doing that :)

[13:57:20]

Beirdo:

seriously, put a capture over the mythproto or something

[13:57:29]

sphery:

My wife was watching TV when I clicked on MythWeather in MythWeb and then it exited her show and started showing MythWeather stuff.

[13:57:33]

Beirdo:

it can draw it, send a PNG of the screen or something

[13:57:34]

kormoc:

it's why we don't have Screen shots in mythweb, cause the remote telnet one hadlocks my frontend

[13:57:50]

kormoc:

Beirdo, we have the code to grab one in the telnet interface, it just doesn't work

[13:57:59]

Beirdo:

ah

[13:58:04]

Beirdo:

fair enough

[13:58:14]

kormoc:

and I'm too lazy to setup remote core dumps

[13:58:15]

sphery:

we need to re-work and integrate the 2 screenshot approaches in mythfrontend

[13:58:23]

Beirdo:

I should put in a bug for us to smack the weather screen in mythweb sometime

[13:58:39]

gbee:

mythweb isn't displaying posters here, known issue or user error?

[13:58:40]

sphery:

we have one for "grab this frame from the original recording" and one for "grab whatever's on screen, as much as possible, depending on the UI or video renderer in use"

[13:59:04]

kormoc:

gbee, mythvideo posters? if you're using the storage groups, known issue

[13:59:08]

sphery:

and they write to different places and the "whatever's on screen" one writes uncompressed PNG images (= huge for 1920x1080)

[13:59:29]

sphery:

and one's a keybinding and the other a jumppoint and ...

[13:59:34]

gbee:

kormoc: I tried both, neither worked

[13:59:38]

sphery:

it's on my TODO, but not hight

[13:59:39]

kormoc:

hrm

[13:59:51]

kormoc:

gbee, I'll poke at it this weekend

[14:00:07]

iamlindoro:

My posters work in MythWeb FWIW

[14:00:11]

iamlindoro:

(all SG hosted)

[14:00:36]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, local to the mythweb install?

[14:00:37]

** iamlindoro wishes MythWeb's video module sorted by season and episode after title **

[14:00:45]

gbee:

I moved the artwork over from local storage to storage groups because mythweb doesn't even work with local storage for the actual videos, but there was a point where the videos were in storage groups and the artwork was local

[14:00:54]

kormoc:

hrm

[14:01:01]

kormoc:

I need to put in some time on that module

[14:01:06]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: They are on that system, yes, though obviously addressed by relative path to the SG

[14:01:24]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, we don't stream over the SG yet

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Beirdo:

http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/screenshot-weather.png

[14:04:09]

gbee:

ah, nevermind it was user error, something iamlindoro said gave me a clue

[14:04:17]

Beirdo:

that's what my weather screen looks like in mythweather :)

[14:04:22]

Beirdo:

errr mythweb

[14:04:26]

** Beirdo needs more coffee **

[14:04:49]

iamlindoro:

It's a safe bet that the "IMDB" *cough* lookups are all broken badly

[14:04:51]

Beirdo:

and yes, mythweb is password-protected :)

[14:05:09]

iamlindoro:

since the metadata lookup stuff has changed dramatically in both input and output format, as well as location

[14:05:23]

gbee:

yeah, lots of other things need fixing/updating in the video module

[14:05:51]

zzztrumee is now known as trumee

[14:06:03]

iamlindoro:

I know that as of late, the video scan was still inserting horribly broken info too

[14:06:10]

gbee:

going forward mythweb shouldn't be inserting metadata or doing the scans itself, too risky

[14:06:13]

iamlindoro:

Doesn't stop people using it and thrashing their info, but...

[14:06:29]

drindt:

have a good night

[14:06:31]

kormoc:

Is there backend calls for the meta-data lookups too?

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[14:06:42]

iamlindoro:

no, not presently

[14:06:48]

wagnerrp:

no, only for MNV lookups

[14:06:59]

kormoc:

I guess I can just disable meta-data lookups in mythweb

[14:07:03]

kormoc:

%s/disable/remove

[14:07:16]

iamlindoro:

Should probably disable the scan for now too

[14:07:21]

gbee:

be nice if mythweb would scale/cache the artwork

[14:07:37]

kormoc:

well, was gonna port the scan to use the backend calls

[14:07:51]

kormoc:

gbee, your browser isn't?

[14:08:23]

gbee:

kormoc: hundreds of full res posters? Yes it does, but the results are neither pretty nor fast

[14:08:37]

iamlindoro:

Think he means have the server scale them first

[14:08:43]

iamlindoro:

versus downloading at full res

[14:08:52]

iamlindoro:

kachunk kachunk kachunk

[14:08:54]

kormoc:

well, I ment the cache part actually

[14:09:04]

kormoc:

it should only download them once

[14:09:12]

kormoc:

but yeah, we shall scale them

[14:10:02]

gbee:

well the browser is probably caching, but it's not caching them scaled so that scrolling up/down the page causes them to be constantly redrawn

[14:10:09]

kormoc:

youch

[14:10:11]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

woot... scsi 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device...

[14:11:24]

Beirdo:

^.^

[14:11:31]

kormoc:

six drive raid-1... six drives failed...

[14:11:47]

Beirdo:

seriously?

[14:11:52]

Beirdo:

wow.

[14:11:53]

kormoc:

seriously

[14:12:03]

kormoc:

this is the second round of drives that got fried

[14:12:09]

Beirdo:

you need a trebuchet.

[14:12:10]

kormoc:

my money is on the power supply

[14:12:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, that would be high on my suspect list

[14:12:51]

sphery:

someone really distrusts banks after the recent issues

[14:13:10]

sphery:

most people tuck their money under the mattress when they distrust banks, but kormoc is progressive

[14:13:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

[14:14:40]

kormoc:

sphery, you don't know how hard it is not to give my mythbox a 3 disk mirror for it's os....

[14:15:35]

sphery:

heh

[14:18:47]

kormoc:

ha

[14:18:58]

kormoc:

ls /dev/sd* lists nothing

[14:19:03]

kormoc:

this system is done

[14:20:03]

gbee:

ouch, my condolences

[14:20:32]

Beirdo:

if you're lucky, it's just the controller

[14:21:37]

gbee:

if you're extremely unlucky it's not just the controller

[14:21:46]

Beirdo:

yeah

[14:21:53]

Beirdo:

:( either way. ouch!

[14:25:01]

Beirdo:

oh that's just great.

[14:25:02]

Beirdo:

hehe

[14:25:24]

Beirdo:

my script to start the backend in a non-standard prefix...

[14:25:32]

Beirdo:

it can't find mythcommflag

[14:25:32]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

Ooooh

[14:29:46]

Beirdo:

I deleted that directory!

[14:29:47]

Beirdo:

I suck

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Beirdo:

is there a way to trigger mythcommflag on errored things in the job queue

[14:32:33]

wagnerrp:

maybe a system event

[14:32:50]

Beirdo:

or should I just run it from commandline?

[14:32:57]

wagnerrp:

i think theres one that issues when a job is terminated for any reason

[14:33:16]

[R]:

coudln't taht lead to an infinite loop?

[14:33:16]

wagnerrp:

check to see what the error code is, and run subsequently on that

[14:33:22]

wagnerrp:

it could, yes

[14:33:41]

wagnerrp:

but considering the jobqueue only runs once per minute, not a particularly bad one

[14:34:04]

[R]:

but it could be constnatly running the same job infinitely

[14:34:21]

wagnerrp:

yep

[14:34:29]

kormoc:

I just reset the host, status, and desc

[14:34:56]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: what is it you do when you create new jobs that puts them at the top of the stack?

[14:35:11]

kormoc:

hrm?

[14:35:18]

kormoc:

it goes from oldest to newest

[14:35:26]

wagnerrp:

if you queue jobs normally, and then queue jobs from mythweb

[14:35:27]

kormoc:

resetting old failed jobs will re-run them first

[14:35:38]

wagnerrp:

the jobs from mythweb will preempt the ones run through the frontend

[14:35:54]

wagnerrp:

somehow they get inserted at the top of the stack

[14:36:35]

kormoc:

schedruntime is set?

[14:37:16]

wagnerrp:

if it is, im not doing it intentionally

[14:37:31]

Beirdo:

oh look. that works

[14:37:40]

Beirdo:

requeue from mythweb :)

[14:38:04]

kormoc:

UPDATE jobqueu SET status=1, statustime=null, hostname=null, comment=null, schedruntime.null WHERE status=304;

[14:38:44]

kormoc:

make that =null in the last one

[14:39:05]

Beirdo:

Finding Logo*** glibc detected *** /opt/mythtv/trunk/bin/mythcommflag: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00007f9ec1a73010 ***

[14:39:10]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:39:18]

Beirdo:

looks like I have something to debug later

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Beirdo:

tried running it by hand... kaBOOM

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Beirdo:

note to self... do not delete your install dir WHILE myth is running :)

[14:41:29]

Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo moron

[14:41:29]

** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a moron trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[14:41:39]

** dustybin wakes from silent mode **

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Beirdo:

what, you trigger on moron? :)

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

what happened to config.pro?

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[R]:

kormoc: i ate it... it was very delicious

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NightMonkey:

!trout itself supersmelly

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** MythLogBot slaps itself with a supersmelly trout on behalf of NightMonkey... **

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wibbit:

Afternoon all

[15:00:17]

wibbit:

Is any one aware of a way to set/increase the cache level for the internal player in mythtv?

[15:00:54]

wagnerrp:

not easily

[15:01:07]

wagnerrp:

is there any reason you cant increase the reliability of your network?

[15:01:10]

wibbit:

That's a pity :\

[15:01:29]

wibbit:

I'm using ethernet of power lines, and replaying HD content is not ideal.

[15:01:37]

gbee:

no, no such facility exists, assuming you aren't doing something silly like trying to use it over the internet or a wifi network with high latency/low reliability you should submit a bug ticket for playback issues

[15:01:44]

wibbit:

as well as doing things like skipping forwards and backwards

[15:01:48]

gbee:

heh, nevermind then

[15:02:04]

wibbit:

gbee, not quite as silly as wifi, but only just ;)

[15:02:13]

wagnerrp:

is it possible your powerline ethernet is just too slow to handle your video?

[15:02:19]

wibbit:

Nah

[15:02:23]

wibbit:

i don't believe so.

[15:02:37]

wibbit:

It "works just fine" when using mplayer, but I have a habbit of caching about 60mb

[15:02:48]

wibbit:

but that means that I'm able to skip forwards without too many delays.

[15:03:08]

wibbit:

i think HD just about plays back okay with out too much head room, I really suffer when skipping forwards and backwards.

[15:04:35]

kormoc:

and if you pause it for a few sec, it clears up?

[15:04:36]

clever:

wibbit: mythtv doesnt cache very much and will blindly refuse to use the cache if the cache filling blocks

[15:04:56]

clever:

ive run into problems with my poor 802.11b wireless before

[15:05:18]

clever:

nomater how big the cache, it instantly hangs when the wireless does (and sometimes gives up)

[15:05:32]

clever:

then when the wireless came back, it played the cache to the end, making me think it recovered

[15:05:42]

wibbit:

clever: I'd have thought caching would have been allowed for caching, and for it to be used.

[15:06:05]

wibbit:

I may have to carry on using mplayer, though from what i've seen of the internal player so far, it's very nice.

[15:06:14]

clever:

you would think, but back then (and maybe still now?) it doesnt use the cache properly

[15:06:22]

sphery:

or get a real network ;)

[15:06:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery++

[15:06:37]

[R]:

THAT'S what she said

[15:06:49]

wibbit:

easier said than done.

[15:07:15]

kormoc:

just hire someone to do it for ya!

[15:07:19]

wagnerrp:

meh, running ethernet isnt that hard

[15:07:46]

wibbit:

of course it isn't hard, if you don't mind the cables laying around the floor.

[15:08:02]

wibbit:

Hiding it under the floor + tracing the cables through the wall, is marginally more time consuming.

[15:08:03]

wagnerrp:

pull up the floorboards and run them underneath

[15:08:04]

clever:

sphery: the hdd in that laptop has since failed, so i converted it to network booting

[15:08:06]

kormoc:

so get a airport extreme and airport expresses....

[15:08:10]

clever:

its always got 100mbit direct now

[15:08:23]

clever:

the actual problem wasnt the wireless, but the wireless driver

[15:08:24]

wibbit:

not including the re-plastering/painting/papering/skirting boards.

[15:08:28]

kormoc:

nice 102.11N without linux drivers!

[15:08:29]

clever:

it was stable until i did a dist-upgrade

[15:09:32]

sphery:

wibbit: here in sunny FL with completely hollow/uninsulated interior walls, running it through the walls is easy.

[15:09:50]

wibbit:

sphery: alas, in the UK it tends to be solid brick.

[15:10:23]

sphery:

heh, that's marginally more difficult

[15:10:35]

clever:

i was using wireless because i wanted the laptop to be portable

[15:10:50]

clever:

though it cant be portable now that the battery and hdd are toast

[15:11:09]

gbee:

in old builds anyway, new builds are hollow walled (internally), even the load bearing walls are plasterboard over brick giving room for cables to be run, it's easier but not easy

[15:12:20]

sphery:

here we don't have much in the way of internal load-bearing walls... they've gone the way of "cheapest solution"

[15:12:31]

sphery:

(at least for newish homes)

[15:12:33]

gbee:

then again, you can specify cabling be laid in during the build for new builds

[15:13:32]

gbee:

sphery: surprising giving the possibility of hurricanes etc in Florida

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justinh:

saw a brand new build today with what looked like cat5 going round the outside. bleugh

[15:13:52]

sphery:

heh, hurricane, schmurricane

[15:14:00]

justinh:

hurricane, new house! :D

[15:16:01]

justinh:

I recently ran a bunch of network cables up to the attic. I'm not taking any more floors up to put networking in the upstairs rooms again, couldn't be bothered to dig a wall out so as a stopgap measure pulled the cables through some half inch conduit, stuck that to the wall in the corner.. painted it.. job done :)

[15:16:13]

gbee:

pretty much all new build houses over here are steel framed, skinned with an inner layer of breeze block, insulation and then the facing brick, internally finished with plasterboard and using a second layer of insulation behind that

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justinh:

not these. saw em going up every day

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[R]:

why do people spam trac? like wtf mate

[15:17:20]

gbee:

justinh: well to be fair I've seen a few very recent builds where they've dispensed with the steel, I guess for cost reasons in the current climate

[15:17:53]

gbee:

unless they are three story town houses

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sphery:

yeah, all my walls are steel-studs (about 3/16" think steel in a U-shape about the size of a 2x4) and completely hollow from attic to concrete slab. Makes cabling easy.

[15:19:27]

sphery:

er, 3/64", that is

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clever:

sphery: nice, mine have 2 or 3 layers of drywall on most of them

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clever:

i think one wall we opened had 4 layers

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sphery:

multiple layers of drywall?

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clever:

yes

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clever:

and multiple layers of siding on the outside

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sphery:

from re-finishing on top of old?

[15:20:24]

clever:

yeah, several times

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sphery:

wow

[15:20:46]

clever:

the rooms must be several inches smaller then when the house was first made

[15:20:49]

sphery:

and most people I know just re-paint the existing drywall

[15:21:00]

clever:

there was a fire in the house before we bought it

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sphery:

oh, that changes things

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sphery:

I saw an episode of CSI kind of like that... They found a body in the walls

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clever:

havent found any body's yet

[15:21:55]

clever:

just hockey tape on the electrical wiring

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sphery:

heh

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clever:

thats more scarry :P

[15:23:10]

clever:

and so is the bathroom socket

[15:23:26]

clever:

they put the socket&box in the wall, then ran the line out thru my bedroom closet

[15:23:34]

clever:

and then put a plug on the end and plugged it in!

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wibbit:

seen some night mare stuff like that here as well, far form ideal

[15:25:02]

wibbit:

Currently going through the pain of renovating (moved in some time ago), so intend to lay Cat5 and have it go back to under the stairs, and have a little patch panel in there, but it all takes time, till then I'm stuck with ethernet over power, and the associated poor speed.

[15:25:36]

clever:

the basement here has hanging fiberclass tiles

[15:25:45]

wibbit:

I'd love to have abasement :)

[15:25:46]

clever:

so i can easily lift them and run new cables

[15:25:57]

wibbit:

though not with hanging fibreglass tiles :)

[15:26:12]

wibbit:

I have mud under my floor

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wibbit:

and not that much space to go crawling

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clever:

but i dont have enough 20foot ethernet cables to connect everything back to the furnace room

[15:26:36]

wibbit:

buy a load, and terminate it your self? it's not too bad

[15:26:46]

clever:

so half of the things run to an old wired linksys router with dhcp turned off

[15:27:14]

clever:

yeah, i should probly chop up the really long ones and just use it as several runs

[15:27:26]

clever:

60% of the cable must be sitting in a heap on the floor

[15:27:38]

wibbit:

last question before lunch :)

[15:27:54]

wibbit:

is it possible to get screenshots from TV Shows downloaded?

[15:28:38]

sphery:

not screenshots

[15:28:44]

sphery:

but fanart and covers and stuff

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wibbit:

That's close enough.

[15:29:01]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu

[15:29:12]

sphery:

and you'll need a UI theme that actually shows them

[15:29:16]

wibbit:

Cheers, I'll have a read through them.

[15:29:16]

sphery:

(like Arclight)

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wibbit:

dinner :)

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wagnerrp:

holy crap look at the spam

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skd5aner:

V14gra f0r s4l3

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HoboSteaux:

hey i tried for a long time to get xbmc running on an old computer of mine, linux (ubuntu derivative), ati x1650 pro agp. has anyone sucessfully done this before? i have large driver conflics/ performance problens

[15:47:52]

sphery:

perhaps you want #xbmc

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HoboSteaux:

i was refered here by a freind ive tried that.. im more leaning towards trying to find any type of home media interface, wether its xbmc, mythtv, etc

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HoboSteaux:

i just want to find out if its possible with open drivers and the x1650pro really ive searched the hell out of the internet and no luck

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justinh:

driver conflicts? what can ati drivers conflict with – apart from sanity I mean

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iamlindoro:

and more critically, open source drivers and the required GPU performance for something like MythTV or XBMC do not mix

[16:02:51]

justinh:

funny though.. 1st google result I got was https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . _8.32.5.html

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justinh:

oh wait you said *open* drivers. ahhh. what iamlindoro said in that case

[16:05:48]

iamlindoro:

Time to get over the obsession with free everything on your system... especially as you're likely to want to play a bunch of patent encumbered codecs anyway

[16:06:37]

justinh:

not to mention (cough)

[16:08:35]

gbee:

proprietary drivers are free, just not free

[16:09:18]

gbee:

actually he's probably after the open drivers because ATi have dropped official support for that card, anything older than a couple of years and you've no choice but to use the open drivers

[16:09:31]

iamlindoro:

time for a new card

[16:09:36]

gbee:

and at least for ATi they don't do too badly

[16:09:38]

justinh:

well, til open drivers get Xv or decent opengl.. erm...

[16:09:46]

iamlindoro:

check the couch cushions, should be enough in there for a card from this decade

[16:09:56]

gbee:

justinh: ATI open drivers have done both for a long time

[16:09:56]

justinh:

lol I like that

[16:10:40]

sphery:

yeah, the ATI FOSS drivers are pretty nice (IMHO nicer than the nvidia ones--though I don't have a lot of experience with nouveau)

[16:11:03]

sphery:

that said, I still expliticly buy nvidia for my mythtv boxes (and only my mythtv boxes)

[16:11:33]

skd5aner:

VOODOO FX FTW!

[16:11:35]

skd5aner:

;)

[16:11:37]

wagnerrp:

HoboSteaux: plenty of people run mythtv on old systems, ATI drivers, and especially those for old cards, are fairly flakey and unrecommended

[16:11:42]

gbee:

my frontend used to be an ATI IGP using the RadeonHD driver, worked just fine, even with 1080i

[16:11:59]

sphery:

using catalyst drivers, though, right?

[16:12:05]

wagnerrp:

and as sphery stated, if you want help with any of the other softwares, youll have to ask in their respective channels

[16:12:28]

gbee:

sphery: no, RadeonHD ... the OSS driver

[16:12:55]

sphery:

I think you could make a Myth box work just fine with radeon drivers, but there may be issues you can't fix (like tearing on high res screens, etc.)

[16:13:13]

wagnerrp:

gbee: yeah, tends to be the older the card, the better, since support gets picked up by the OSS versions

[16:13:46]

sphery:

in other words, IMHO, the radeon driver is close, but still needs some work before it's ready (and, really, it's close for older cards, but not as great for newer ones)

[16:13:57]

gbee:

for a long time I used the catalyst driver, but then they dropped support for that chipset, so for 6 months until I a bought a vdpau capable mobo I was using the OSS driver

[16:14:15]

sphery:

cool

[16:14:25]

gbee:

sphery: that's where the radeonhd driver takes over, the newish cards

[16:14:29]

sphery:

I've never actually used catalyst since it doesn't support 64-bit systems

[16:14:43]

sphery:

after all, why would AMD want to support AMD 64 :)

[16:14:57]

gbee:

sphery: it did back when I was using catalyst, are you sure about that?

[16:15:00]

sphery:

gbee: radeonhd is being merged into radeon

[16:15:10]

justinh:

all I ever say is, it's pot luck with ATI more than any other manufacturer. if it works for you it'll work well.. but that's still an IF

[16:15:12]

gbee:

sphery: ok, that's news to me

[16:15:18]

sphery:

gbee: no, it supported multilib :)

[16:15:47]

sphery:

I'm positive... download the driver package, untar it, then run file on all the progs in there... Only one is a 64-bit ELF, and it's an Ubuntu 7 driver

[16:16:03]

sphery:

they do 32-bit and rely on multilib distro construction

[16:16:23]

gbee:

sphery: well I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, I can't remember back that far, I just know that I was using a 64bit kernel and X

[16:16:41]

sphery:

yeah, it would work on any major distro

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kormoc:

the linux kernel is now no longer 32 or 64 bit

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kormoc:

it's unified for both arches now and can support mis-matched modules

[16:17:13]

sphery:

but it requires 32-bit X libs

[16:17:36]

sphery:

and since distros are generally all multilib, that's not a problem

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gbee:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . 6.x86_64.run

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sphery:

gbee: OK, that's new. They now have 64-bit in there.

[16:23:46]

sphery:

didn't just a couple months ago

[16:23:57]

sphery:

(even though they called it a 64-bit installer)

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gbee:

"ATI Catalyst™ Legacy Proprietary Display Driver – Linux x86_64 9.3 3/25/2009"

[16:26:26]

sphery:

but check the actual binary

[16:26:30]

sphery:

it's ELF 32-bit

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gbee:

huh, yeah

[16:29:31]

sphery:

anyway, not really important unless you don't have 32-bit libs on your system

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

Good to know they're now supporting 64-bit builds. I'll have to remember that.

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slipcon:

any good suggestions for a nettop style box for a standard def TV? (composite or svideo out)

[16:34:33]

kormoc:

Mac Mini!

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slipcon:

(frontend only – backend is already running on the hdtv downstairs quite successfully)

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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** kormoc thinks it does composite? **

[16:34:53]

wagnerrp:

i cant imagine the mac mini still has tv outputs

[16:35:04]

wagnerrp:

none of the other nvidia hardware does

[16:35:24]

wagnerrp:

even the GT2/3/4 series discrete cards no longer carry tv outputs

[16:35:40]

kormoc:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A?fn . . . =MTA4MzU1ODQ

[16:35:54]

kormoc:

mini-dvi to svideo/composite

[16:35:55]

wagnerrp:

i see HDMI and displayport

[16:36:55]

kormoc:

ahh

[16:37:02]

slipcon:

yeah, also its a bit more than I was hoping to spend... don't need the storage, etc. was considering a hacked appletv but not a lot of info available there

[16:37:06]

sphery:

kormoc: OK, so I can't remember which plan I had decided on... For a "automatically check/repair DB tables on master backend startup", is it worth doing CHECK TABLE first and only running REPAIR TABLE if Msg_type=status is not Msg_text=OK (string processing--and maybe translation issues... yuck) or should I just do a REPAIR TABLE on all tables?

[16:37:18]

wagnerrp:

no, you could be right

[16:37:22]

kormoc:

my mini has a mini-dvi and a mini-display port so it does support svideo/composite

[16:37:23]

wagnerrp:

the plug doesnt quite look right

[16:37:31]

wagnerrp:

but its close

[16:37:34]

wagnerrp:

and the symbol is the same

[16:37:46]

wagnerrp:

either way, thats not actually mini-dvi to composite

[16:38:01]

wagnerrp:

its some proprietary connector that they pass DVI and composite signals over

[16:38:12]

kormoc:

sphery, no harm in over-repairing

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sphery:

cool, simplifies things immensely

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, apple owns the mini-dvi standard, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI

[16:40:15]

sphery:

so, no need to do a DB backup before repair--since a DB backup will fail with any crashed tables...

[16:40:33]

sphery:

and, in theory, REPAIR TABLE won't do anything if the tables aren't crashed

[16:41:09]

sphery:

would be nice to report that a crashed table was found and repaired, though...

[16:42:15]

justinh:

wonder how the crystalhd thingy is coming along

[16:42:29]

sphery:

obviated by vdpau? :)

[16:42:39]

kormoc:

sphery, it'll do a bit of checking, but no more then check table would have done first

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wagnerrp:

!seen j-rod

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MythLogBot:

j-rod was last seen 37 days 8 hours 29 minutes 35 seconds ago

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justinh:

sphery: not really, since not everything supports putting nvidia inside ;)

[16:43:28]

sphery:

yeah, was an over simplification

[16:43:52]

sphery:

but still far less useful (and fun to work on) than

[16:43:56]

justinh:

and well, you know.. some people quite like the idea of open source drivers which do video decoding :)

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Beirdo:

oh WTF?

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sphery:

ok, agreed on the FOSS driver thing

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kormoc:

%s/FOSS/FLOSS/

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sphery:

Beirdo: gbee just upgraded our spam filter and tweaked some settings that should prevent the issue

[16:46:32]

sphery:

or at least make it less common

[16:47:39]

Beirdo:

whew

[16:47:50]

Beirdo:

9 spam tickets. yeehaw

[16:48:02]

iamlindoro:

Oh for crying out loud

[16:48:02]

iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1535465

[16:48:15]

iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu devs are *not* helping... and not endearing themselves to me ATM

[16:48:28]

iamlindoro:

And check out the "design" in the last reply

[16:49:51]

sphery:

well, now that he's found his replacement for MythTV, why doesn't he just go away?

[16:50:04]

sphery:

it has stick figures, even, so what more could he ask

[16:50:05]

iamlindoro:

And take any downstream devs who think they know a damn thing about our code with him

[16:50:09]

sphery:

(who needs actual code)

[16:50:32]

Beirdo:

people are stupid :)

[16:50:35]

iamlindoro:

I love how out of one side of their mouths they claim that they have no coding ability, but pass judgment over ours with the other

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kormoc:

f-em

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** sphery considers posting a link to the 1731 lines of Perl code and complete browser re-implementation of mythfrontend for him **

[16:51:26]

kormoc:

you should! they can work together!

[16:51:27]

iamlindoro:

Especially when some of us are busting our balls for the last year to try to polish user interface, community, themes, do required cleanup, settings removal

[16:51:28]

iamlindoro:

AGDF:HKLASDGH:KLAGFD:HKGAF

[16:51:45]

iamlindoro:

frickin' irritating

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kormoc:

and humanity wonders why I hate it so...

[16:52:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: it must be broken code if it doesn't work like I /think/ I want it to work when I blindly update to latest and explicitly break the "we only support running with the same branch and same revision on every single system" rule

[16:52:22]

justinh:

yeah well, that's it for good now. I'm on a break from helping people using ubuntu packages

[16:52:42]

iamlindoro:

Oh come now, just admit that we Myth devs came to his house and forced him to update his widdle mythbuntu packages

[16:52:42]

Shadow__X:

i am not trying to cause an uproar just trying to understand why was the protocol version changed

[16:52:51]

justinh:

no more 'user did not read the frickin popup mythbuntu put on screen'

[16:52:59]

sphery:

I wonder what strange bumps iamlindoro has on his forehead that allow him to hit Shift to get the colon when he bangs his forehead on the keyboard like that

[16:53:12]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Because the "language" the backend spoke changed

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justinh:

sphery: shift lock ;)

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sphery:

but here it's caps lock and it only affects alpha keys

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sphery:

maybe he has some strange UK keyboard :)

[16:53:56]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: oh ok fair enough so to make sure nothing bad happened everything was updated to make sure it was the proper version correct

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, we had a bug that if you deleted a inprogress recording and say to allow it to re-record, when the recording ended, it would flip it back to being 'watched'. To fix it we needed to change the field counts on the message passing to pass the extra data around, things not understanding this format break and thus why we protect against it

[16:54:05]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: correct

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I caught that thread from twitter the other day & I was so incensed I wanted to reply right away but signing up is a bit of a PITA & I'm not signing up just to yell at somebody

[16:54:36]

justinh:

not that yelling would help PR...

[16:54:49]

iamlindoro:

justinh: I am used to idiot users by now, I'm more irritated at the fanning of the flame by distro devs

[16:55:02]

kormoc:

yeah...

[16:55:04]

justinh:

I'd have expected better of them

[16:55:36]

autojack:

if I set up a pchdtv hd-5500 tuner card as an analog card, is it going to transcode HD content to SD? sorry if this is a stupid question, I can't quite make sense of what the analog tuner can do.

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sphery:

well, who can blame them for thinking our code is garbage since we don't want to support clients that explicitly and arrogantly ignore all version information for protocols and schemas?

[16:55:49]

Shadow__X:

yeah kormoc and iamlindoro that would make sense for the change. Now that I know why it changed it makes sense but as we all know its easier to yell scream and wave our arms around instead of finding out why something had changed

[16:55:54]

justinh:

I remember locking horns with that foxbuntu guy once or twice a few years ago. won't listen to reason IIRC

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wagnerrp:

the analog tuner on the PCHDTV cards is only for standard definition

[16:56:04]

wagnerrp:

and should not be used

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autojack:

OK. why should it not be used?

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sphery:

because it's a frame grabber

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sphery:

and it's not 1992

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iamlindoro:

Given the number of misspelled words in both thread and diagram, I'm sure their "product" will be bloody fantastic

[16:56:45]

autojack:

ahhh. heh :)

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kormoc:

Go forth and do better if thou can

[16:57:00]

sphery:

iamlindoro: no, it does /2/ schedules... so the marketing term is "schedual"

[16:57:06]

autojack:

OK. well I have a problem then. my current Myth system can't handle HD playback.

[16:57:06]

iamlindoro:

har har

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autojack:

so I'm trying to figure out how I can best use this card, if at all.

[16:57:30]

sphery:

autojack: will be solved by a Hauppauge PVR-150

[16:57:47]

sphery:

(i.e. right tool for the job :)

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kormoc:

autojack, do you have analog cable to capture?

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sphery:

or could just upgrade your frontend

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** iamlindoro resolves never to read the mythbuntu forums looking for early signs of bugs or misunderstandings again **

[16:58:09]

autojack:

kormoc: no, I'm trying to capture over the air DTV in the US.

[16:58:14]

iamlindoro:

They are officially cut off by me

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autojack:

my TV does not have a DTV tuner.

[16:58:30]

autojack:

I just happen to have this card – if it's not the right tool for the job that's OK.

[16:58:32]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i think our 'schedual server' beats anything that guy could come up with

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autojack:

I realize that I could buy a DTV converter box at Best Buy like every other American without cable did 18 months ago :)

[16:59:06]

autojack:

just trying to work out whether that's what I should do.

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sphery:

autojack: OTA DTV requires a digital tuner (like on the pcHDTV cards), but with digital tuners you get whatever the broadcaster sends (including HDTV)

[16:59:14]

autojack:

or I could get a PVR-150 :)

[16:59:24]

autojack:

sphery: got it. that was sort of my guess.

[16:59:27]

sphery:

PVR-150 would still require a digital converter box

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wagnerrp:

autojack: if youre using broadcast, why do you want an analog tuner?

[16:59:38]

** Beirdo passes iamlindoro the anti-ubuntu-luser trout **

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wagnerrp:

just use the digital half, the analog half is useless anyway

[16:59:47]

autojack:

wagnerrp: I just don't want the content to be stored as HDTV that I cannot play back due to my system being too slow.

[17:00:06]

wagnerrp:

then get a new system that can play your content

[17:00:12]

sphery:

autojack: so, basically, your options are a) spend money on a digital converter box and get garbage SDTV or b) spend money on upgrading your frontend to something from the last 5 years that can play high-definition MPEG-2

[17:00:19]

autojack:

I wasn't sure what would happen if I used the analog tuner. I was hoping it would magically convert HD to SD but I guess I keep making the mistake that HD and Digital are the same thing.

[17:00:31]

** sphery would definitely go with the better frontend/HDTV approach **

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autojack:

right.

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sphery:

well, in the US HDTV is digital, but digital is not necessarily HDTV

[17:01:10]

sphery:

though it's always "whatever the broadcaster sends"

[17:01:12]

autojack:

yeah, I'm slowly starting to understand that :)

[17:01:25]

autojack:

I suppose I could remove the HD channels from my listing.

[17:01:37]

autojack:

and still use the existing card. does that make any sense?

[17:01:41]

wagnerrp:

which isnt going to leave you much beyond some PBS and weather subchannels

[17:01:46]

autojack:

right

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autojack:

that might be OK to be honest.

[17:01:57]

wagnerrp:

just spend the $200 and upgrade your system to play the content

[17:02:07]

autojack:

I watch very little TV. the Myth system has typically been used more for MP3s and so on.

[17:02:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so, this web app for a frontend... It's using JavaScript decoding in software or transcoding to Flash in real time?

[17:02:19]

sphery:

or maybe just animated gifs

[17:02:26]

autojack:

wagnerrp: as far as I can tell it would be a good bit more than $200.

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autojack:

I'd need a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM.

[17:02:44]

wagnerrp:

yep, all told, under $200

[17:02:52]

autojack:

really? I thought I priced it out at $400.

[17:02:55]

autojack:

maybe that was overpowered.

[17:03:04]

** sphery last bought a nice mobo/CPU/RAM for $150 and got an AMD Athlon II X2 250 (3GHz) **

[17:03:05]

autojack:

worth a re-look then.

[17:03:18]

sphery:

and the 150 was only because I splurged and got 4GB of RAM

[17:03:19]

wagnerrp:

get a decent dual core AMD, mini-itx board with nvidia graphics, and 2GB of memory

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autojack:

yeah, well people in here in the past had said I should get a dual core proc, etc etc.

[17:03:28]

sphery:

(which was half the cost)

[17:03:35]

autojack:

OK, I'll look into it.

[17:03:38]

wagnerrp:

you may have to tack on an extra $30 for a new video card if you need composite/svideo outputs

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autojack:

I don't, I already use a DVI to HDMI cable into my HDTV.

[17:04:01]

sphery:

or $X for a new TV so you don't have to use composite/svideo outputs

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sphery:

:)

[17:04:16]

** kormoc wants to buy another 2009 mac mini **

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autojack:

OK, thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

[17:04:27]

sphery:

yeah, if you're using DVI/HDMI, you really want to upgrade to an HDTV capable frontend

[17:04:33]

autojack:

that's cleared up my confusion.

[17:04:42]

sphery:

kormoc: get the 2010 and get it working... it's small and purty

[17:05:12]

kormoc:

heh, true

[17:05:37]

kormoc:

I will accept donations towards the getting the 2010 mac mini working project :P

[17:05:49]

Brad-D:

hey guys, do you know if standard usb IR receivers, can receive codes from multiple remotes?

[17:05:53]

sphery:

heh "by assuming a common interim media format with metadata." makes an ...

[17:06:16]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: if only you could sell Steam games

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wagnerrp:

:)

[17:06:22]

kormoc:

hehe

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sphery:

iamlindoro: someone should tell him that Canonical already funded development of a MythTV killer... Elisa, IIRC.

[17:06:52]

kormoc:

Brad-D, depends on the remote and receiver

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sphery:

wonder how that's going...

[17:07:08]

kormoc:

Brad-D, it's all based on frequencies and timings, if they match up, they work, if not...

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Shadow__X:

what about getting jpeg images working with qt on a os x frontend huh?

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sphery:

just requires the JPEG Qt plugin

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sphery:

ttbomk

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kormoc:

sphery, renamed to http://www.moovida.com/

[17:07:58]

Brad-D:

i currently have a harmony remote emulating one of the hauppauge remotes (With a MS receiver), could i tell the harmony to emulate something else with more buttons? I'm rapidly running out of buttons on this remote. :>

[17:08:10]

sphery:

and still no recording, right? :)

[17:08:22]

wagnerrp:

sphery: they were funded by canonical?

[17:08:32]

sphery:

"# Coming soon: Moovida Immersed media center, optimal for remote navigation"

[17:08:32]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye

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Shadow__X:

sphery: where do i find that, i tried installing qt from nokias site and made sure i looked through and checked to install anything related to images but it sitll doesnt work. I am sure i am missing something but i dont know what

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sphery:

Shadow__X: best I (a Mac disbeliever) can say is: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/deployment-mac.html

[17:09:42]

sphery:

specifically http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/deployment-mac.html#qt-plugins

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Shadow__X:

thanks sphery i will look into it

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Shadow__X:

i have been using the buids from psychosis and sniperpad and both didnt include it

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sphery:

if you figure it out and can provide a patch for the packaging script, it would be much appreciated

[17:14:40]

Shadow__X:

if i could that would be nice

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kormoc:

I can't even get the os x builds to build right now

[17:14:55]

kormoc:

something in the last 100 revisions broke it

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Shadow__X:

niether can i but it keeps telling me i have freetype although i like to argue differently

[17:15:33]

kormoc:

mine dies on 'cant't find config.pro'

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Shadow__X:

hmm want me to send you the autobuilder i am using?

[17:16:21]

kormoc:

it's different then the one in svn?

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sphery:

I think iamlindoro just built trunk yesterday

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: to me it didnt seem like it changed that much but i cant seem to get it to budge past the freetype issue even after installing it

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Shadow__X:

i was having issues trying to build it in 64bit (i believe a mysql issue) so i use perl osx-packager.pl -m32 -svnbranch release-0-23-fixes

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Shadow__X:

but i did have to modify some small lines that wagnerrp pointed out referring to 10.6

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Shadow__X:

how can i make sure i have freetype installed?

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

you installed freetype via ports?

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Shadow__X:

darwin ports? no i tried to find the package but couldnt

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kormoc:

the one you installed is a 32 bit freetype?

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Shadow__X:

sorry, i am not sure because i installed it a while ago but i am pretty sure i compiled it from source

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kormoc:

you need to make sure it's 32 bit and not 64 for myth

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Shadow__X:

oh ok should i get it from darwin ports or specify that when i compile it

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kormoc:

If you compile it via ports with the +universal variant it's 32 and 64 bit which works fine

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: i dont know if i am doing something wrong or missing something but i am unable to download darwin ports from darwinports.com

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kormoc:

that's quite broken :(

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Shadow__X:

oh ok

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Shadow__X:

what should i be using for ports then

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Shadow__X:

http://www.macports.org/ ?

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kormoc:

that's what I'm using

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kormoc:

oh duh

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kormoc:

make distclean on a fresh repo checkout is what's broken

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I built trunk on OS X yesterday

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iamlindoro:

no issues besides the normal build setup

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iamlindoro:

didn't need to install any macports either

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: so jpeg for metadata was working and you didnt have to get freetype?

[17:45:05]

iamlindoro:

correct, correct

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

I'm back to running into #8579 and my work-around didn't work this time

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: signed up for the magical build apparently

[17:47:06]

** iamlindoro hastens to note he is *not* running 10.6 **

[17:47:19]

iamlindoro:

Which apparently has tons and tons of fun times building

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Shadow__X:

oh

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kormoc:

heh, important detail!

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kormoc:

yeah, I'm 10.6

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Shadow__X:

yes because i am running 10.6

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sphery:

kormoc: is it better to use `` around table names or not worry about it?

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sphery:

since I'm just using the entire list of table names in the DB, it's possible users may have some with spaces or something?

[17:48:55]

kormoc:

I tend not to worry bout it

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kormoc:

that's true

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Beirdo:

just be careful not to call your tables reserved words... or you need it for sure

[17:49:29]

kormoc:

I tend to use mythconverg.table anyway

[17:49:40]

kormoc:

but yeah, for that, backtick-em

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sphery:

should I change GetTables() to return mythconverg.table?

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kormoc:

cause you know someone did a CREATE TABLE `my recorded backup` LIKE recorded;

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kormoc:

sphery, I'd be for that

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Beirdo:

or how about we call a temporary join table `join` :)

[17:51:08]

Beirdo:

I've seen that one before

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

I hate table alises and never use them unless it's required

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kormoc:

authoritative querys++

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sphery:

kormoc: any fancy way to have mysql put the proper db name in with the fancy query you gave me before: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/GAeDHvnK

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sphery:

just a concat with DATABASE()?

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kormoc:

yup, http://mythtv.pastebin.com/c7ZQKzk6

[17:53:53]

larrikin:

[OT] can anyone recommend some basic double entry style accounting set-up that uses mysql and a browser i/f ?

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sphery:

or INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA, maybe

[17:54:14]

sphery:

which would be better? either?

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kormoc:

they're the same

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sphery:

so separte backquotes for DB and table name... cool

[17:55:05]

kormoc:

Yeah, else it thinks the table/db name has a . in it

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sphery:

ah

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sphery:

ok, I'll do that as a separate change

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sphery:

then in my current, I can just join the tables with , and make the list to pass to REPAIR TABLE

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kormoc:

if you want a nice list automagically you can use GROUP_CONCAT

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sphery:

woah, fancy

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kormoc:

extremely useful for things like this :)

[17:57:33]

sphery:

including schema name and backquotes makes DataDirectProcessor::FixProgramIDs() ugly, though

[17:57:57]

sphery:

will the "no mysqlisms" folk be upset with me for using group_concat?

[17:58:05]

kormoc:

heh, how we do queries is pretty ugly imho

[17:58:28]

kormoc:

yeah, likely so

[17:58:47]

kormoc:

you can do it in postgresql with a user-function

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kormoc:

but nothing like it for oracle

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sphery:

wonder if I can convince people we don't need FixProgramIDs... was a "we can't do a DB update in -fixes" workaround in 0.20 days...

[17:59:28]

SNIFF:

hi, anyone running mythtv in the uk here?

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sphery:

could just do a full-fledged DB update for it and yank the hack

[17:59:48]

kormoc:

that'd be cool

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** kormoc <3's his mac pro **

[18:00:03]

sphery:

goes onto my TODO list

[18:00:03]

kormoc:

compiles qt in 3 minutes

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sphery:

3min... I have systems that can't even push a GB onto the disk in 3mins

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sphery:

let alone compile 1GB of binaries /and/ write them to disk

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sphery:

So, I'm finding out why I never get my projects done... I start with the simple things, then I find other things to change while doing them...

[18:03:08]

kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

what's funny is myth is slower then qt to compile

[18:03:23]

sphery:

So, for example, on this one quick patch, I've since added 2 things to the TODO

[18:03:35]

sphery:

yeah, Myth's strings are a big compile hog

[18:04:49]

Beirdo:

Myth is a big compile hog

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Beirdo:

but it's OUR big compile hog. OINK!

[18:06:02]

kormoc:

qt used 100% of all 8 cores, myth isn't as much, which is sad

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Beirdo:

interesting

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kormoc:

so myth compiled in 6 minutes

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Beirdo:

wow

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** Beirdo steals kormoc's machine **

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kormoc:

Heh

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kormoc:

I check apple's trade-in amount on it

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Beirdo:

a full compile for me is an order of magnitude slower.

[18:07:49]

Beirdo:

more like 30min

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kormoc:

they'll give me $2200 for it as a trade in towards another mac pro... I only paid $2200 for it

[18:08:02]

Beirdo:

but that's all of myth + all of the plugins

[18:08:13]

Beirdo:

nice

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SNIFF:

I'm struggling to get mythtv to work, but then im new to Linux. Is it worth continuing with to get it too work or do you need to be a guru in Linux first

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kormoc:

SNIFF, what distro do you like?

[18:09:17]

kormoc:

cause there's some pre-done myth distros out there that make things easier to start out with

[18:09:35]

SNIFF:

been tinkering with OpenSuse but now onto Ubuntu

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kormoc:

mythbuntu is ubuntu presetup with myth for you

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SNIFF:

ive tried Ubuntu and MythBuntu

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SNIFF:

Ubuntu I can't get a working install thats stable

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SNIFF:

Mythbuntu I get further but its a problem getting the cards to work

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tgm4883:

SNIFF, what problems?

[18:12:28]

SNIFF:

many, lost uPNP connection

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tgm4883:

That doesn't sound like an issue getting the card to work

[18:13:15]

SNIFF:

thats one i got trying to get the scan to work

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tgm4883:

When you were scanning for channels?

[18:14:01]

SNIFF:

if im running kernel 2.6.32.23-generic should i have to install v4l drivers

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tgm4883:

SNIFF, IDK, what card do you have?

[18:14:34]

SNIFF:

I have 5 TV cards

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SNIFF:

3 in my system as lent 2 to a freind

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SNIFF:

im using TBS6980 and HVR-4000

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SNIFF:

2 x HVR-4000's

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NightMonkey:

SNIFF: Does a setup work with just one of those cards? Sounds like you should start simple, then complexify later.

[18:16:41]

SNIFF:

i did start off with one

[18:16:47]

SNIFF:

then added the other

[18:17:08]

SNIFF:

im getting them recognised

[18:17:23]

SNIFF:

but HVR-4000 does not see any channels during a scan

[18:18:05]

SNIFF:

scanning with TBS6980 has made the PC switch off completely

[18:19:40]

tgm4883:

SNIFF, looks like HVR-4000 works OOTB, but you might need to load the firmware. Note that was for 9.04 though. I'd assume the drivers are still there but you may need to load the firmware still

[18:19:48]

kormoc:

Are you sure the TBS6980 is supported?

[18:19:54]

SNIFF:

both cards seem to need me to make drivers which change the setting of the v4l drivers, is this normal should I bee doing that

[18:20:32]

NightMonkey:

SNIFF: a) shaky power supply? b) shaky mobo?

[18:20:34]

kormoc:

you might need to ask in #linuxtv about that

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kormoc:

they're the ones writing/supporting the drivers

[18:20:53]

kormoc:

we just use the api

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SNIFF:

agreed it says that, im using 10.04 which has kernel 2.6.32 which needs an update else it has a timeout issue during the scan process

[18:22:08]

SNIFF:

ive got a new powersupply in the wings but as its a watercooled system its a bit of pain changing it over

[18:22:37]

kormoc:

erurg?

[18:22:51]

kormoc:

you shouldn't need to watercool a box doing tv capturing

[18:23:05]

NightMonkey:

SNIFF: Hrm. Waterooled. Overclocked?

[18:23:11]

SNIFF:

lol, that was another project

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SNIFF:

4 years ago i started on a quest to make a media center pc and the watercooling was to make it quiet

[18:24:07]

SNIFF:

having used MCE i found it really buggy and gave up

[18:24:08]

tgm4883:

That was probably true 4 years ago

[18:24:16]

sphery:

kormoc: are you sure about that? I thought water cooling was mandatory: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/389453#389453

[18:24:18]

SNIFF:

i guess so

[18:24:20]

tgm4883:

the needing watercooling part

[18:24:25]

tgm4883:

mce is probably still buggy

[18:24:47]

SNIFF:

so my real question you you guys is

[18:24:51]

** justinh looks at his silent frontend & its conspicuous lack of watercooling **

[18:25:00]

SNIFF:

once its up and running whats mythtv like

[18:25:09]

justinh:

it's nice :)

[18:25:14]

sphery:

justinh: you don't have a fish tank below your TV?

[18:25:34]

justinh:

sphery: no I don't use watercooling. I have a tank full of veg oil I have to change every month

[18:25:38]

SNIFF:

my plan is to have that in the back end

[18:25:40]

sphery:

heh

[18:25:48]

sphery:

check out the pics in that post, though

[18:26:04]

kormoc:

sphery, HAHAHA, nice

[18:26:13]

sphery:

it /is/ the world's most advanced MythTV system

[18:26:52]

sphery:

unfortunately, the secret parts are still secret...

[18:27:01]

sphery:

at least I don't remember any disclosure

[18:27:38]

SNIFF:

does myth let you use the red button on freeview

[18:28:16]

kormoc:

the power disconnect button?

[18:28:21]

sphery:

pretty sure that's what the key binding for MENURED is for

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sphery:

^^^ SNIFF

[18:28:41]

sphery:

by default F2

[18:29:04]

sphery:

must have MHEG support in Myth for it, though

[18:29:08]

sphery:

(and you probably do)

[18:29:16]

SNIFF:

so dose that happen out of the box or is it a plugin you have to do it

[18:29:35]

sphery:

out of the box

[18:29:45]

sphery:

wait, I never got a box with MythTV

[18:29:54]

sphery:

someone owes me some cardboard

[18:29:56]

kormoc:

ahh, there we go, commflagging going again

[18:30:03]

kormoc:

8 cores flagging away

[18:30:13]

sphery:

kormoc: 1hr flagged in 3s

[18:30:36]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, sadly it's pretty close to real-time with the 1080i h264

[18:30:47]

sphery:

I'm surprised you were able to see commflagging happen at all... Or are you just detecting a reduction in the job queue job numbers?

[18:30:49]

SNIFF:

so far ive spent 5 solid days installing Ubuntu 10.04 breaking it then Mythbuntu and breaking that ive watched about 5 mins of HD tv and itv HD was jerky

[18:30:50]

kormoc:

we sorta do something stupid it looks like

[18:31:16]

kormoc:

we do a full decode pass for logo-detection and then do another full decode pass for the rest of the detection options

[18:31:21]

sphery:

MythTV isn't for watching TV, it's a hobby to keep you busy instead of watching TV

[18:31:27]

SNIFF:

lol

[18:31:56]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, we need to find the logo, then we have to look at it on each frame... otherwise, we'd have to decode and write the decoded image somewhere to re-check it for logo

[18:32:06]

sphery:

could always just disable logo detection, though

[18:32:23]

kormoc:

does it really take a full pass to figure out the logo?

[18:32:24]

sphery:

(it runs on the first 8min of the recording to build the logo detection buffer, IIRC)

[18:32:26]

SNIFF:

well ive started and got two books already on it, but so far ive not acheieved much so was looking for some moral support

[18:32:31]

sphery:

I think just the 8mins

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kormoc:

hrm

[18:32:40]

sphery:

but full decode of 8mins, then re-decode the 8mins

[18:33:23]

kormoc:

SNIFF, it's worth the pain getting going, most of us just can't imagine tv without myth anymore

[18:33:25]

sphery:

Capt M may have ideas for how we can improve it for current, but...

[18:33:40]

sphery:

SNIFF: yeah, I couldn't do tv without MythTV, anymore

[18:33:53]

sphery:

keep at it and it will pay off

[18:34:00]

sphery:

Mythbuntu is definitely a great way to start

[18:34:16]

sphery:

and, ideally, you'll use "well supported" hardware

[18:34:16]

justinh:

if you doubt your hardware in any way test it outside of mythtv first. I always recommend that

[18:34:24]

sphery:

yeah

[18:34:31]

justinh:

otherwise you simply have too many unknowns

[18:35:31]

justinh:

I battled incessantly for nigh on 2 weeks trying to get things running. I was a total noob on gentoo, and even had to patch the kernel to get my tuner to work

[18:35:55]

justinh:

getting myth going was easy compared to that but what I still swear helped me was reading as much as I could

[18:36:21]

sphery:

hmmm.... nearly 8s to check and repair all my DB tables ( REPAIR TABLE table1, table2, ... tableN ) in my tiny-table dev box.

[18:36:28]

SNIFF:

ive been doing stuff to my kernel which keeps breaking it

[18:37:02]

sphery:

wonder if people would prefer we don't do that on every master backend start (and they go on vacation and end up losing a week's recordings) or are willing to wait for the security...

[18:37:30]

SNIFF:

at the moment the gui is not that pretty i guess the themes improve that

[18:38:45]

sphery:

SNIFF: yeah, you will likely want to switch to a current them, like Arclight

[18:38:58]

sphery:

and when you get MythVideo + Jamu set up, it's even better

[18:39:15]

sphery:

Mythbuntu is another one people like

[18:39:33]

SNIFF:

so whats the best linux distro to use

[18:39:46]

sphery:

I highly recomment Mythbuntu distro

[18:39:53]

Shadow__X:

ok so i used macports to install freetype @2.4.1_0 and when i try to use the os x auto builder script it still asks for freetype

[18:40:06]

sphery:

I prefer the Arclight theme for MythTV over the Mythbuntu theme for MythTV, though

[18:40:53]

kormoc:

Shadow__X, with +universal?

[18:41:03]

SNIFF:

i get strange faults with the graphics on some themes

[18:41:11]

Shadow__X:

i did port install freetype was i wrong in doing that

[18:41:24]

kormoc:

port install freetype+universal

[18:41:32]

Shadow__X:

ah ok thanks sorry about that

[18:41:39]

Shadow__X:

should i uninstall freetype first

[18:41:46]

kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

SNIFF: you'll likely need to use the OpenGL painter

[18:42:24]

SNIFF:

im using an old Nvidia card, in mythbuntu im using the recommended propriety driver

[18:42:24]

sphery:

SNIFF: which requires a good choice of video card and good video card drivers

[18:42:33]

sphery:

what's "old"?

[18:42:36]

kormoc:

how old?

[18:42:46]

SNIFF:

gforce 7900 gt

[18:42:49]

SNIFF:

i think

[18:42:51]

sphery:

that's fine

[18:42:57]

sphery:

use OpenGL theme painter

[18:43:11]

SNIFF:

but i think ive damaged it fitting the watercooling block

[18:43:15]

sphery:

Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance, first screen (with themes, IIRC)

[18:43:23]

SNIFF:

my other watercooled pc is fine though

[18:43:39]

sphery:

damaged video cards may not be fine...

[18:43:50]

sphery:

but that era is fine

[18:44:05]

SNIFF:

does yours have hdmi?

[18:44:14]

sphery:

I use VGA

[18:44:19]

Shadow__X:

kormoc: i am getting an error port freetype+universal not found and i looked on macports am i typing the command wrong

[18:44:20]

sphery:

old TV

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SNIFF:

ok

[18:44:45]

sphery:

and since SED is dead, I may keep using said old TV for a long time

[18:44:55]

SNIFF:

sure

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sphery:

unless NED or FED comes along

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** sphery hates LCD **

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, ooh, guess that's one of the sucky ones

[18:45:38]

sphery:

(actually, I love LCD, but hate it for video)

[18:46:16]

kormoc:

so I had to edit my /opt/local/etc/something/macports.conf and set it to compile as i386, install freetype, set it back to x86_64 and go on

[18:48:01]

SNIFF:

how do you do updates tinkering without loosing the ability to watch tv

[18:48:29]

sphery:

I tinker on a dedicated development system

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: yeah in macports.conf it says on 10.6 it defaults to x86_64 if the cpu supports it and i386 otherwise and for the universal variant use x86_64 and i386

[18:48:52]

sphery:

then roll out updates (using 0.23-fixes only--not trunk) to production when I have a lull in recording schedule

[18:49:16]

kormoc:

Shadow__X, yeah, you can uncomment that i386 line out and it'll forcefully compile 32 bit

[18:49:21]

SNIFF:

wow that sounds impressive

[18:49:46]

kormoc:

I'll tinker on my desktop if it's not mythweb/plugin related

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wagnerrp:

SNIFF: its very easy to do if youve got a USB tuner or a HDHR that you can use on multiple machines without pulling them apart

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sphery:

100 rows in set (32.01 sec)

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kormoc:

production box?

[18:51:20]

sphery:

that was a REPAIR on my production database running on an Athlon II 250 (3GHz)

[18:51:23]

sphery:

yeah

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kormoc:

I think it's less cpu and more disk io

[18:51:36]

sphery:

anyone else want to try: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/6RkCpbQ6

[18:51:43]

sphery:

I'd guess so, too

[18:52:01]

sphery:

if anyone has slow DB servers, I'd love to know the time on a run of that ^^^

[18:52:17]

sphery:

might have some tables you don't have, but the point is to get the total time

[18:52:49]

kormoc:

I'd test but I can't. I'm running innodb and there is no repair for it

[18:53:10]

sphery:

seems it's 5.5s in DB for dev box and about 8s real time when run through Qt-Mysql

[18:53:52]

sphery:

I'm guessing check would be the same, so there's not really anything we can do to speed it up

[18:53:55]

SNIFF:

ok thanks for the info, i'll try again and see where i get. sounds like its worth the progress

[18:54:14]

sphery:

I stand corrected

[18:54:27]

sphery:

100 rows in set (4.04 sec)

[18:54:31]

sphery:

for check table

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kormoc:

check or check extended?

[18:54:45]

sphery:

normal check

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sphery:

kormoc: so, do you know if msg_text will be localized?

[18:55:40]

sphery:

can't tell from docs

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kormoc:

I believe it won't be

[18:56:01]

sphery:

ooh, any non-English locale users here?

[18:56:31]

kormoc:

hrm

[18:56:40]

kormoc:

for our needs, check table quick might be enough

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sphery:

wonder if caching is why it went faster to just check...

[18:56:58]

kormoc:

quick pretty much just verified that the table was closed cleanly

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sphery:

100 rows in set (2.23 sec)

[18:58:18]

sphery:

well, though it's a bit more work to check first and only repair if necessary, it makes for /much/ better logging.

[18:58:27]

** kormoc nods **

[18:58:28]

sphery:

and we can actually tell the user we fixed their broken DB :)

[18:58:38]

sphery:

(not that any user will notice the message, but I like to pretend :)

[18:59:15]

kormoc:

heh

[18:59:27]

kormoc:

toss up a big dialog! with blinking text! and sounds!

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sphery:

<blink>You're Welcome!!!</blink>

[19:00:20]

sphery:

with a nice "Donate" button underneath?

[19:00:39]

kormoc:

yay!

[19:00:48]

kormoc:

Signed off: kormoc

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

we'll use the proceeds to go visit our Euro devs (and their Euro beers)

[19:01:25]

kormoc:

I'm game

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sphery:

call it a "Strategy Meeting"

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kormoc:

or a strategy summit

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sphery:

oh, I /do/ have another MythTV database

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sphery:

(so I can check for caching's effects)

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sphery:

benefit of helping a friend out with MythTV :)

[19:02:34]

kormoc:

hehe

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sphery:

100 rows in set (3.29 sec)

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: apparently its port install freetype + universal to invoke the variants

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sphery:

not bad... his is an Athlon X2 4800+

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, whoops, sorry bout that

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Shadow__X:

its ok thanks for pointing me in the right direction

[19:04:33]

sphery:

kormoc had a bit too much port tonight, so he's mis-typing

[19:04:44]

sphery:

(or maybe porter)

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Shadow__X:

:)

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kormoc:

nah, that's in a few hours yet

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sphery:

heh, yeah, you Pacificers

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Shadow__X:

hmm ok so now i am unsure whats going on the autobuilder script is still complaing that i dont have freetype installed but i just install the universal build on it

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kormoc:

path issues?

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sphery:

now I have to actually come up with a design for this patch...

[19:06:38]

Shadow__X:

do i set that by doing path export=location of freetype?

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justinh:

hahaha just looked at those ugly frontend pics

[19:07:24]

justinh:

oh man, that's the kind of person who likes mythcenter :)

[19:07:32]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

MythCenter, the theme that just won't die

[19:07:51]

sphery:

it's worse than Visor

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sphery:

(in the undead sense of worse)

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wagnerrp:

is it replex that is used for the mpeg cutting?

[19:08:17]

kormoc:

Shadow__X, I really don't know offhand, I'd have to look at the ./configure script and see where/how it's looking for it

[19:09:05]

sphery:

so is there any reason we'd ever do a check tables without want to actually repair any crashed tables?

[19:09:19]

sphery:

or should I just have check tables repair any tables it finds that are crashed

[19:09:41]

sphery:

where check tables is whatever function I make to check tables

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wagnerrp:

where does replex come from? i thought it was some external library, but i dont see any mention of it outside mythtv

[19:09:56]

sphery:

metzler bros

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sphery:

but we have a mythreplex

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kormoc:

sphery, I wouldn't see why not, the user will do the same thing

[19:10:07]

sphery:

which has some (pretty major?) changes

[19:10:17]

kormoc:

if it's really bad, it'll stop itself and complain more

[19:10:19]

justinh:

we owe much to those brothers

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wagnerrp:

ah, dvb replex

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sphery:

justinh: ++

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wagnerrp:

ive not heard that name before, what else have we gotten from them?

[19:11:28]

wagnerrp:

a bunch of the digital tuner code?

[19:12:36]

sphery:

we = GNU/Linux

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sphery:

not just myth

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wagnerrp:

oh

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sphery:

and, yeah, lots of dvb stuff fromthem

[19:13:13]

justinh:

drivers, API.. AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

theoretical physicists eh?

[19:14:18]

justinh:

whoah Nokia had a hand in the DVB API too? :-O

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: where would the ./config be

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Shadow__X:

nvm i think i found it. Its in src/mythtv/configure

[19:26:07]

Shadow__X:

perhaps the issue is that it is looking for freetype2 and what i have installed through macports is freetype?

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kormoc:

freetype version 2.x is freetype2 afaik?

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Shadow__X:

oh ok. I am just trying to figure out why its giving an issue even when i have freetype installed. I do have freetype 2.4.1 universal isntalled

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kormoc:

I just don't remember if I did anything special other then installing freetype

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justinh:

what did somebody say the other day about babies born in the US? They get a due date & they bring em out on that day? Wish we had that here. Gotta wait til the 29th for that

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sphery:

Shadow__X: you /do/ have freetype-config in the PATH (or whatever the Mac-quivalent of a PATH would be), right?

[19:38:55]

justinh:

not even Wimbledon overran this long ;-)

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sphery:

reasonable delay, now... just a few seconds

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zeeps:

hi

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zeeps:

can someone help me getting xmltv working with osx backend

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zeeps:

I have installed xmltv and have the grabber in my path

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zeeps:

but in mythtv-setup it can't find any grabbers

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zeeps:

anyone?

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sphery:

all I can say is that there are a lot of people trying to get MythTV to work on their Mac boxes, so if you hang out for a while, you're likely to encounter one.

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sphery:

(but I'm not one)

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zeeps:

thanks sphery , I'm working on importing the listings manually in the meantime :)

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sphery:

zeeps: manually should mean running xmltv to create an XML file with listings then running mythfilldatbase --file , right?

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sphery:

er, mythfilldatabase

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zeeps:

the person who maintains listings for my iptv service provides xml file also via php

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zeeps:

so using wget to get the file

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sphery:

ah, yeah, if it's an XMLTV-format file, that's fine

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zeeps:

then mythfilldatabase --file

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sphery:

just mainly meant that you can run mythfilldatabase --file to put it in place properly

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sphery:

yeah, cool

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zeeps:

yup

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** Beirdo makes a rude gesture at his computer **

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sphery:

kormoc_afk: do you know of a stronger incantation of REPAIR TABLE... I "crashed" a table (by overwriting the first byte of the MYI with a 0) and repair is giving: mythconverg.housekeeping | repair | error | Corrupt

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Beirdo:

Oh, and Nickelodeon HD needs to provide better data to TMS

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sphery:

I know normally it would be an MYD that needs fixing, and normal REPAIR TABLE works, but just trying to cover all the bases

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zeeps:

when creating new storage directories

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zeeps:

do I need to manually create the directories first

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Shadow__X:

sphery: sorry i had to step away sorry how would i check that

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sphery:

oh, and the mythbackend stuff works great to prevent master backend from starting with a broken DB :)

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zeeps:

or will mythtv-setup create them when i give a path

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sphery:

Shadow__X: in a terminal run: freetype-config

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sphery:

maybe

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sphery:

Shadow__X: and maybe you and zeeps can help each other :) (both doing Mac stuff)

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sphery:

zeeps: the directory must exist--allows you to properly specify ownership and permissions

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zeeps:

:)

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sphery:

guess I should have said, "by overwriting the first byte of the MYI with a NULL" since it's a /dev/zero

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Shadow__X:

sphery: i run that and usage options come up

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sphery:

kormoc_afk: OK, figured it out... needed a USE_FRM for that one (which is something I don't want to run normally). I'll just refuse to start up if we fail to repair the table (such as if the user must use USE_FRM) and let them manually fix it.

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sphery:

Shadow__X: well, then it's likely problems with your lib/include paths or something

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Shadow__X:

sphery: ok how would i go about checking them out

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sphery:

check config.ep in the mythtv build directory

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sphery:

and just search for freetype in there

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sphery:

look for the error, then fix whatever's causing it

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** Beirdo summarily closes a nuvexport bug **

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sphery:

the executioner

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Beirdo:

#7912 is now off my plate :)

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Beirdo:

I can't keep futzing with ffmpeg command-line differences forever :)

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Beirdo:

I even have a debian box that I looked on (lenny, not squeeze).

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Beirdo:

if the build of ffmpeg is not matching what we expect, get another build, please

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sphery:

yeah, we need in-backend transcoding to libav* formats

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sphery:

then we don't have to rely on command-line opts from ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

and go break your foot off in the butts of the ffmpeg devs

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Shadow__X:

sphery: look for something like this http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1907254?

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Beirdo:

that would be nice

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Beirdo:

but we need to be able to specify many argument

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Beirdo:

s

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sphery:

Shadow__X: that would likely cause the problem

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sphery:

now you just have to figure out how your libfreetype.dylib got to be one for some other arch

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sphery:

dylib, die!

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Shadow__X:

so originally i was using freetype what i am guessing is 64bit and not that i am using macports i am using the universal build which according to kormoc is what i need

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Beirdo:

OK, how did #4726 get assigned back to xris?

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sphery:

heh, good question

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sphery:

that's one that will be solved with the "convergence" patches

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sphery:

(moving mythvideo and mythtv together)

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Beirdo:

just because he reported it doesn't mean he'll be fixing it :)

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sphery:

ok, maybe not "solved" since you'd still need a seektable

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sphery:

so, really, ignore me

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Beirdo:

it will be affected by that stuff, I'm sure

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iamlindoro:

It should just be closed

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iamlindoro:

If we don't have a volunteer to do it, a FRWOP from a dev is still a FRWOP

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Beirdo:

well, yeah, but...

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sphery:

2010-07–23 20:49:23.742 Checking database tables.

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sphery:

2010-07–23 20:49:24.264 Found crashed database table: mythconverg.housekeeping

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Beirdo:

they have their place, and we don't really have a good place YET for it

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sphery:

2010-07–23 20:49:24.302 Repairing database tables:

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sphery:

beautiful

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Beirdo:

sphery: you rule

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sphery:

unfortunately, I was thinking I'd just slap a repair into the master backend startup

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm outta here

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sphery:

but then I had to break it into a check and repair

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sphery:

so now I think I should do the check on all progs

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zeeps:

is this syntax correct

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zeeps:

mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 /iptv/xmltv.xml

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zeeps:

?

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sphery:

no -1

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sphery:

ttbomk, just: mythfilldatabase --file 1 /iptv/xmltv.xml

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zeeps:

cool

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zeeps:

I think it worked

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Shadow__X:

i think i figured out where that dylib was from. It was from my previous install

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Shadow__X:

of freetype

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sphery:

cool

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Shadow__X:

hmm nope didnt fully remove it. To remove something i installing using make would i do make uninstall?

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sphery:

that sometimes works--depends on the Makefile/project

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Shadow__X:

sphery: oh ok thanks what would i do otherwise?

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Shadow__X:

from what i have found is by looking through the make file and seeing where things go

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Shadow__X:

so it seems as if i removed it but i am still getting the build errors do i need to delete the src folder and have it pull the files again?

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clever:

thats about all you can do enless you have something like portage helping

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clever:

might need to nuke all the freetype include files and reinstall the latest one

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Shadow__X:

how can i check what arch a .dylib is for

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Shadow__X:

or do i just take the error and try to wype it out

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sphery:

Shadow__X: file? file libfreetype.dylib

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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sphery:

that was a command to try... don't know if that was clear.

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Shadow__X:

as of right now i removed everything from macports and ran make uninstall a few times to make sure things were removed. i then did find and a few came up still

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Shadow__X:

but i also realized that some where from xcode and that was not updated since i installed it so installing update now and will reboot. This thing will compile

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Shadow__X:

thanks for helping btw

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Shadow__X:

does anyone know if the the libs in the /Developer/SDKs/ folder in os x get pulled in when making something or the libs of the program its installed for(hopefully that makes sense)

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Shadow__X:

i think its actually compiling

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sphery:

sweet

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Shadow__X:

it seems like the jpeg plugin is getting compiled in as well which it seems like is expected behavior

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Shadow__X:

i will then try to go to my other machine and see what i have to do to get it compiled and what i need to do to get jpeg plugin support because all of the prebuilt ones i have tried dont have it

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Shadow__X:

so if i can i wouldnt mind helping there

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Shadow__X:

sphery: this may be a dumb question but could i build the win32 build in linux or in os x?

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sphery:

Shadow__X: so it's probably the packaging script they're using that creates the installer or whatever that's not including the plugin

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sphery:

I don't know about the win32 build

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sphery:

in theory, it should be possible with an appropriate cross compiler and environment, but I don't know anything about it

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Shadow__X:

sphery: it would seem so but i would have a better idea once this finishes compiling and seeing if i actually have jpegs come up. Then from there i will build it on another machine to see what i have to do different to get the plugin built into it

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Shadow__X:

thats what i was thinking thanks

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sphery:

cool, if you can improve the prebuilt binaries, a lot of people will be happy

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Shadow__X:

yeah i would like to see the prebuilt packages have the plugin included

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Shadow__X:

is binaries more of a proper name than packages?

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wagnerrp:

are they individual executable images and libraries?

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Shadow__X:

hmm i think i forgot to include the mythvideo plugin when i issued the build command

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wagnerrp:

or is it a bundle of files that requires a package manager to install?

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Shadow__X:

an exectuable

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Shadow__X:

so its binary then

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Shadow__X:

thanks wagnerrp for the clarification

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wagnerrp:

is it the program itself? or an executable installer?

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wagnerrp:

if the latter, then its a package

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Shadow__X:

its the program itself

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Shadow__X:

hmm me thinks a nice imac 27inch i7 would help these builds quite nicely

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** wagnerrp thinks a microatx board with i7 would be just as nice, at a fraction of the price **

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wagnerrp:

27" is an awful size

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: really? whats wrong with it the res on it is huge

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sphery:

yeah, I have 23" and it's about as wide as I'd want

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wagnerrp:

no, its not... and thats the problem

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sphery:

more than that and I'd be moving my head too much

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wagnerrp:

sphery's 23" is just as high a resolution as that 27"

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sphery:

1920x1200 :)

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Shadow__X:

2560x1440?

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wagnerrp:

they put that in a 27"? ever one ive seen has been 1920x1200

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Shadow__X:

sphery: yeah i used to program on a 17inch laptop with 1920x1200 it was nice for a while then my eyes started to pay the price

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sphery:

I thought the 2560x1440 started at 30"

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wagnerrp:

30" is usually 2560x1600

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wagnerrp:

a proper 16:10 monitor

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sphery:

that makes sense

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Shadow__X:

imac is 16:9

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sphery:

I didn't notice that the other was 16:9

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sphery:

16:10 is so much better

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Shadow__X:

Resolution

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Shadow__X:

21.5-inch models: 1920 by 1080 pixels

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Shadow__X:

27-inch models: 2560 by 1440 pixels

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Shadow__X:

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

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sphery:

but, really, I think if you're at normal desk distance from the monitor, going above about 23" is too much

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wagnerrp:

what is normal distance?

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sphery:

er, 24"

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sphery:

whatever this monitor is

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sphery:

sitting at a chair with the monitor just a bit in front of the keyboard

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Shadow__X:

i have a samsung t260hd 25.5 inch 1920x1200 its really nice but sometimes i have to bring it a bit closer

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sphery:

if you have to put the monitor much farther than that, what's the point?

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sphery:

but closer you have to move your head a lot to see all the sides

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wagnerrp:

i sit further than arm's length from my montior

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sphery:

I'm just over arm's length

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Shadow__X:

that also depends how long your arms are :)

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sphery:

just long enough to reach the ground

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sphery:

oh, wait

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Shadow__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

seems my 'monitor' is about 48" wide

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Shadow__X:

what is it a lcd tv?

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wagnerrp:

two 17"s and a 20"

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Shadow__X:

or that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the advantage of multiple monitors, or very wide monitors, is it lets me have half a dozen different files open at the same time, along with one or two web pages with API documentation or notes

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Shadow__X:

so what is that 1280x1024 on the 17's and 1680x1050 on the 20?

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wagnerrp:

1600x1200

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Shadow__X:

oh ok nice

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Shadow__X:

is that lcd

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i do think thats the tallest i would want a monitor

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Shadow__X:

right

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wagnerrp:

weve got a bunch of 30"s at work, and i dont mind looking side to side, but i dislike up and down

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Shadow__X:

i can see that

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wagnerrp:

although at the distance i usually sit its not bad

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wagnerrp:

between 3–4'

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Shadow__X:

yeah what also gets me is when people use actual lcd tv's as monitors

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wagnerrp:

we used to have one of the workstations set up as a 2x2 wall

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wagnerrp:

and no one ever used the upper monitors

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Shadow__X:

what do you do 3d modeling?

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wagnerrp:

3d simulation

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wagnerrp:

turbo-machinery work

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Shadow__X:

oh ok yeah that makes more sense

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larzen1:

Hi Folks.. question for you.... I have a card with an SAA717x chipset on it...

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wagnerrp:

what card is it?

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larzen1:

its an NVTV card (dual tuner) nvidia

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larzen1:

i thought it was a brick for the longest time (no drivers) but recently i've seen some activity in this area

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wagnerrp:

looks like youre not going to have any luck with linux

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larzen1:

http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ . . . x.c?v=2.6.31

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wagnerrp:

odd he never listed that on the linuxtv.org wiki

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larzen1:

i know =)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, we dont do tuners

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wagnerrp:

we just do the V4L, IVTV, and DVB APIs

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sphery:

wagnerrp: with on 24" widescreen at 1920x1200, I have 9 terminals on my desktop, many with documents open

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sphery:

of course, for me a document is opened in vim

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larzen1:

wagnerrp: so this card is pretty much useless for myth?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: but theyre overlapping

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sphery:

none of mine overlap

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Shadow__X:

you could screen shot it

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wagnerrp:

larzen1: if the driver supports one of those three APIs, you can use it in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

however if its V4L, you really dont want to use it

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sphery:

If you count the overlapping ones, I actually have 13 terms on the screen

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larzen1:

wagnerrp: looking through the driver source, its v4l2

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sphery:

and the 4 extras I just need the bottom 2 lines of, so they can overlap

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Shadow__X:

1920x1200 gives youa good amount of screen real estate

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larzen1:

wagnerrp: oddly enough I don't see it in my kernel

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wagnerrp:

i really need to get xpra or nx working, so i can get xchat out of this VNC window

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wagnerrp:

its taking up almost a full monitor

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wagnerrp:

now i remember why i wasnt using xpra... keyboard wasnt getting passed for some reason

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: screen and irssi?

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wagnerrp:

but then that would be irssi, and not xchat

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Shadow__X:

yes and some would say that could very well be an upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

yes, for those that like irssi

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Shadow__X:

right right you got me there

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wagnerrp:

which do you think would be better for compiling, 1.93 AthXP or 2x1.0 P3?

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sphery:

I'd guess the 1xAth XP

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sphery:

pure guess, though

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sphery:

no basis other than feel

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wagnerrp:

if it makes a difference, the P3 has double the memory, at about half the speed

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sphery:

oh, that memory may kick the P3 to an advantage

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sphery:

I think it would be a race worth watching...

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sphery:

when does it start?

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wagnerrp:

once i figure out why the P3 wont boot

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sphery:

hmm, that might put the Ath XP back at the advantage

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

something funky with the network drivers

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larzen1:

ok I popped the card in – bounced the system and no /dev/video

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larzen1:

i modprobed the saa717x module – still no video

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larzen1:

Multimedia controller: C-Cube Microsystems E4? (rev b1) <-- this is what lspci produces

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wagnerrp:

if you cant get a card to work, you probably should seek help in #linuxtv

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