Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 25th, 2010, 00:09 AST

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Shadow__X:

so i was able to finally get the automatic builder script to work on os x 10.6

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Shadow__X:

but i still have the issue of missing the jpeg plugin for qt

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Beirdo:

MPlayer was compiled without libfaac. See README or DOCS.

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Beirdo:

GAH!

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Beirdo:

hate you, hate you, HATE you!

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Beirdo:

let's get taht from medibuntu too, shall we?

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Beirdo:

I think I need to add code to nuvexport to look for the codecs available on mencoder (similar to what we have for ffmpeg)

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Beirdo:

first, let's make sure teh exporter WORKS

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Beirdo:

OK, it works

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Beirdo:

you guys all fell asleep on me

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** wagnerrp never sleeps **

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Beirdo:

well, yah

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

cyborg

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** wagnerrp types with his thoughts **

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Beirdo:

902 frames

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Beirdo:

wow, that commercial was nearly precisely 30s long

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

shame commercials are so inane, otherwise people might actually watch them

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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Beirdo:

I'm just archiving one

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wagnerrp:

of course now that DVRs are getting prevalent, we get the gratuitous product placement

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Beirdo:

they make good tests for nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

'hey everyone, look at this van thats a great alternative to a jaguar'

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wagnerrp:

it wont get you laid, but hey, its got XM!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, you watched Royal Pains, didn't you?

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

oooh, pretty

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Beirdo:

transcoded from 1080i

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Beirdo:

the bottom few rows of pixels are borked

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Beirdo:

like below the real frame

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

other than that, looks just about perfect

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Beirdo:

h.264 @ 600kbit 512x288

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Beirdo:

using an exporter that's not committed yet... one of the two that were from the tickets

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna put in both

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Beirdo:

one does H.264/AAC, the other H.264/MP3

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Beirdo:

so, meh.

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Beirdo:

yeah, it sees the incoming video as 1920x1088

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Beirdo:

those extra 8 are what's causing the mess, I think

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Beirdo:

time to use "overscan" cropping to remove it

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wagnerrp:

the incoming video /is/ 1920x1088

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wagnerrp:

1080i/p doesnt actually have 1080 lines

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Beirdo:

well, it might be x264 rounding the output up to 16 pixels or something too

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wagnerrp:

no, mpeg2 itself requires blocks of 16

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wagnerrp:

so the video stream is padded to 1088

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Beirdo:

h.264 ain't MPEG2

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Beirdo:

and who knows what DirecTV actually uses

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wagnerrp:

oh... pulled off an HDPVR, not an OTA recording

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Beirdo:

but fair enough

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Beirdo:

correct

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wagnerrp:

anyway, im sure the same thing applies here too

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Beirdo:

quite likely so

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

OK, enough messing with code for now

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Beirdo:

I'll commit a whack of nuvexport stuff after xris validates that the changes don't bork it on RedHat-related boxes

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justinh:

is it just me or did that UML stick man guy actually draw what mythtv already does pretty much to a tee? :-P

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Beirdo:

pretty close to it

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justinh:

oh well. I guess it's not broken then :D

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Beirdo:

nah, he's just jealous because he don't know how to work with others

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justinh:

I just had a look on the thread to see if anybody had commented about the new point release

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AndyCap:

uml stick man?

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Beirdo:

yup

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justinh:

http://wall-e.deliverator.homeip.net/~barberi . . . e%20Case.png

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AndyCap:

I see the word mythtv is missing. :P

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justinh:

I think there's a subtle difference though. mythtv has a *scheduler* and his case uses a *schedualer*

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AndyCap:

maybe it has two schedulers. :P

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justinh:

so anyway what are you supposed to do with a UML diagram.. do you drag & drop screenshots of how you want the thing to look & it gets coded up automatically?

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justinh:

anyway, what it's coming down to is that a few people originally said autobuilds weren't such a good idea... and this is a prime example of why

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AndyCap:

hmm, suspend and resume worked like a charm.

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justinh:

whee now I've got an animated recording icon

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sidh:

Greetings

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sidh:

i've just installed mythbuntu and the Soungraph iMON PAD remote is not working well, so before changing anything related to remote stuff i would like to backup the actual config, do you know what files/directory to backup ?

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sidh:

is it only /etc/lirc ?

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gandalfcome:

I have the vmap allocation error under ubuntu even though I already increased the vmap allocation size to 512m. What's sensible?

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gandalfcome:

Should I increase to 1024m?

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sphery:

Wow, people actually use YouTube Leanback?

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justinh:

as opposed to youtube lean-to?

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justinh:

lean-to meaning anything which uses a flash based player

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

Yeah, I understand it's supposed to be a thing that just picks the videos for you to watch based on your past watching history

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justinh:

oh great

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justinh:

so like when facebook suggests I might like Chris Moyles because other people who like Top Gear also like Chris Moyles er...

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sphery:

some guy on the -users list just posted a LIRC config (using irexec) and <EXEC> for starting Chrome browser at the YouTube site and using the remote to control it

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justinh:

yeah I saw that just now

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sphery:

and, yeah, it's one of those things

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justinh:

boo hoo at me finding a mythui snag

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sphery:

You once watched a guy fall off a skateboard, so here's an 8-hour marathon of skateboarding accidents on YouTube...

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justinh:

even if I fix it I'm not set up to use my own fix. I need to bin these packages ASAP

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sphery:

yeah, you got way over my head, so I left you to figure it out/see if anyone else (who actually knows mythui/theming) could help

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sphery:

I knew I wasn't going to be any help beyond suggesting you check painter :)

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

that was the very first thing I thought too, but remembered that even qt painter supports flipbook

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sphery:

yeah, I didn't remember issues with animations, but when you mentioned the alphapulse, figured it was worth a shot

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justinh:

I just shoved a pulse in there to see if it acted the same or not. I am still no fan of the pulse ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

you need just enough pulse's to bring those Atom systems to a crawl...

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

yeah it'd be worth it just to grind their gears

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sphery:

:)

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justinh:

I can easy disable it on my own systems ;)

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justinh:

hmmm. wonder if this has anything to do with the new states put in between the 1st iteration of this theme & the release of 0.23

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Brad-D:

morning guys

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sphery:

morning

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Brad-D:

if i hit "info" on my recordings, i can see an "original air date", is there any way i can pass that to a user job?

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justinh:

Brad-D: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_job#User_Job_arguments looks like no

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Brad-D:

ahhh gotcha, i was hoping that was out of date. :>

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sphery:

Brad-D: looks like no: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs . You could pass chanid and starttime, then use bindings to get the rest of the info

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justinh:

beat me to it

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sphery:

python bindings are the best bet

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sphery:

justinh: well, you were faster on the first part :)

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Brad-D:

thanks sphery, i will go look up these bindings

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justinh:

the wiki might even be out of date

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sphery:

other option is to make a patch for the user job stuff to allow passing originalairdate

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justinh:

if it doesn't already

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sphery:

but that won't be generally available until at least next release

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Brad-D:

great, thanks for hte info guys. Time to learn python! :)

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sphery:

Brad-D: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings

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sphery:

see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Python_Scripts

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sphery:

there are some small scripts that will give you a good start

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justinh:

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: better option is to pass the JOBID

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wagnerrp:

support for pulling information out of the jobqueue table based off just the chanid and starttime has been removed

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wagnerrp:

since that is possible to not be unique information

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sphery:

but originalairdate would be in recorded, not in jobqueue, right?

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wagnerrp:

you pass the %JOBID% to the script

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wagnerrp:

and then pull the chanid, starttime, and any subsequent information about the recording through the bindings

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wagnerrp:

i removed that, since its entirely possible to have multiple jobs in that table for a single recording

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wagnerrp:

and even multiple of the same type

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wagnerrp:

you can still do a MythDB().searchJobs(chanid=<chanid>, starttime=<starttime>)

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wagnerrp:

but thats going to give you an iterable of matching jobs

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justinh:

hmm this stuff in svn about the inactive/unselected statetypes doesn't seem to have any actual code changes

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wagnerrp:

thats a bad sphery

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wagnerrp:

(referring to the schema bump)

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justinh:

it's not fat. it's just big boned

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wagnerrp:

i /could/ check the command line arguments, pull the first one which would be the filename, match it against the user job types, match that against job types on that host and recording in the jobqueue table

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wagnerrp:

but that seems a bit excessive

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wagnerrp:

and better for everyone if i just limit it to %JOBID%

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rileyp:

I cant delete some recordings and I dont understand why

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wagnerrp:

got some backend logs with errors?

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rileyp:

they play ok but they wont delete

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rileyp:

If i attmpt to dlelete one will it be logged?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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orly_owl:

just so you know

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orly_owl:

just finding the actual list of satellite tuner cards is way harder then it should be

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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orly_owl:

i was looking on the mythtv wiki

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orly_owl:

finally found it http://mythtv.org/wiki/Tuner_Card#DVB-S_and_D . . . e_viewing.29

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wagnerrp:

mythtv merely uses the DVB protocol, not maintain it

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wagnerrp:

the linuxtv project is the primary source of tuner card drivers and support under linux

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orly_owl:

yep i know

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orly_owl:

just letting you know

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orly_owl:

if you care enough to improve the wiki

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wagnerrp:

about satellite tuner cards? no, i dont

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wagnerrp:

i do not have one, nor would i have any way to use one were i to purchase one

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wagnerrp:

nothing preventing you from improving the wiki

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orly_owl:

only my only laziness

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orly_owl:

i bet i need an account too

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rileyp:

seems earlier recording from old server are owned by dad not mythtv so a chown mythth:mythtv -R /recordings/* will fix yes?

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wagnerrp:

no, but changing it to mythtv:mythtv should

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wagnerrp:

:P

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rileyp:

is the syntax of my code wrong?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you misspelled the user name

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rileyp:

lol ok

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rileyp:

wagnerp Its now fixered thanks

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orly_owl:

Where do I buy this card? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Dvbworld_DVB-S_PCI2002

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, sorry--after I made a big deal about it for gbee's, I forgot for mine

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wagnerrp:

RDV was commenting on it earlier, about implementing some way to pull that automatically, from version.pro or something

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wagnerrp:

im debating whether i think that would be a good thing to do

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wagnerrp:

as it is, having to bump it manually implies a conscious decision that the bindings can talk the new schema

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if i should write up a brief comment of what the bindings currently use, and what changes may break them

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sphery:

yeah, always good to have the conscious decision/sanity check

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sphery:

just unfortunate that we always forget and you have to clean up :(

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justinh:

orly_owl: do you *really* wanna buy from a company whose website looks like this? http://www.worlddvb.com/product/htm/DVB-S2pci2004D.htm :-O

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wagnerrp:

inverted flashing gifs FTW!!!one!1one

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Brad-D:

hey wagnerrp, i'm playing around with the python bindings, similar to your mythvidexport.py script, i'm trying to print out MythTV.getRecordings() and about halfway through i get a 'ascii codec can't encode character u'\xfc' any tips on how i can fix this?

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wagnerrp:

give me the exact traceback so i can make the necessary code UTF-safe

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orly_owl:

justinh: it has no flash/sliverlight/annoying bullshit, loads quickly, has a decent layout

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Brad-D:

one sec, let me go paste it into a pastebin

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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orly_owl:

so yes

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orly_owl:

i think i will

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wagnerrp:

orly_owl: watch the language

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orly_owl:

>_>

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orly_owl:

k

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justinh:

anyway, a site whose (c) goes up to 2008 rather than 2010 doesn't fill me with confidence

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orly_owl:

meh

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orly_owl:

if its a cheap card and it works

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orly_owl:

good enough

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justinh:

OMG, it looks that bad and still uses CSS. lol

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justinh:

hahaha the photo of their factory is totally fake too

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help. http://pastebin.com/6C51QtPM

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justinh:

ok, so they're a generic Chinese electronic manufacturer. I get it now

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wagnerrp:

...why is that not threadsafe...

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Brad-D:

i'm not sure, i started playing with python 60 minutes ago. :> am i doing something stupid?

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wagnerrp:

umlaut...

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wagnerrp:

no, python is doing something stupid

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wagnerrp:

python 2.x and unicode just dont mix

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wagnerrp:

supposedly 3.x makes it all better

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Brad-D:

ahh gotcha, what version of python do you use?

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wagnerrp:

the bindings only work under the 2.x line

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wagnerrp:

the 3.x line is not code compatible

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Brad-D:

is there anything else i can do to somehow make it work? does python have some sort of error trapping that would allow me to skip by it?

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wagnerrp:

'try'

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wagnerrp:

the error is only because youre trying to print out the value

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wagnerrp:

if you just used it normally, it would not happen

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Brad-D:

by used it normally, you mean if i put it in another variable?

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wagnerrp:

the __str__ and __repr__ methods are not intended to be used in code, only for debugging in the interpreter

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wagnerrp:

when you print an object, you call the __repr__ method

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Brad-D:

oh i see, that makes sense

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Brad-D:

totally worked, you are the man, as usual

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wagnerrp:

... still have to figure out how to fix this

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justinh:

oof. I thought those dvbworld things were supposed to be cheap. somebody on ebay wants £80 for an s2 card!

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justinh:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISupe . . . 290455273715

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justinh:

it's still *very* weird for me to see tuners with no cans on em

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wagnerrp:

'cans'? the big EM shields?

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justinh:

partly those, and the old IF cans

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justinh:

IF transformers etc

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justinh:

grrr stupid haremony remote is starting to act up producing triple presses

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Brad-D:

does anyone know if i can get the category_type (from recordedprogram) out of the python bindings?

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wagnerrp:

RecordedProgram((Program.chanid,Program.starttime)).category_type

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wagnerrp:

or RecordedProgram.fromRecorded(Recorded).category_type

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justinh:

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?! 4.5 hours to encode 1.5 hours of video to mpeg4? :-O

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wagnerrp:

asp or avc?

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justinh:

sorry almost *five* hours

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kormoc:

quad-pass?

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justinh:

dvd mpeg2

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justinh:

'high profile' in handbrake

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wagnerrp:

to... h264?

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justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

what processor?

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kormoc:

so dual pass h264 encoding is pretty rough

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justinh:

core duo 1.6 thingy

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wagnerrp:

and of little use too

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justinh:

8fps... sod this I think I'll just cat the vobs together

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wagnerrp:

with the profile i use, single pass h264 on a 2.75GHz C2D usually runs ~8–10fps

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justinh:

my time is more valuable than disk space

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kormoc:

why not just dd to a .iso file?

[13:49:59]

justinh:

I use SGs now

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wagnerrp:

only reason im transcoding is i want to play stuff on windows

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wagnerrp:

and ive never managed to get the proper sequence of directshow filters set up to properly play a raw VOB

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justinh:

I guess I could export a subdir containing ISOs but it's a pain

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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justinh:

and as cool as the menus on this disc are, I'm still not a fan of dvd menus

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justinh:

right. time to get onto my wired network

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justinh:

or just xfer the files via SDHC

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Brad-D:

wagner: silly question, how do i get the RecordedProgram object?

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wagnerrp:

you import it

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Brad-D:

ahhhhh, that makes sense, i was trying to do it as some function call out of mythdb or mythtv...

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Brad-D:

<--- big tool

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Brad-D:

i seem to be getting this all over the output '2010-07–25 13:55:37.268 Python Database Connection: Using connection settings from /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml', can i somehow disable it?

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wagnerrp:

MythLog._setlevel('none')

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wagnerrp:

default is 'important,general'

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Brad-D:

perfect. Okay i promise i will leave you alone for a while wagnerrp :>

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Brad-D:

hey wagnerr i thought this might help with your python weirdness. i tracked down the title that was giving me problems. It was the movie bruno. For some reason it's getting stored as "Brüno"

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wagnerrp:

actually, its being stored as 'Br?no'

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wagnerrp:

like i said a while back, its the unicode umlaut doing it

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Brad-D:

okay

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wagnerrp:

seems i need to reverse the __str__ and __repr__ values

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wagnerrp:

__repr__ can support unicode depending on the terminal local

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wagnerrp:

but __str__ must be ascii

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dmfrey:

hi all, i am looking for an example of how to get a list of the recordings using the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

are you looking to pull the information from the backend or database?

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wagnerrp:

data from the backend is read-only, data from the database can be edited

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dmfrey:

it can be read only

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wagnerrp:

be = MythBE(); be.getRecordings()

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dmfrey:

i'm not looking to modify it, just present it

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wagnerrp:

that will give you a list of Program objects, one for each recording

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dmfrey:

that should work, I want to take each Program object and generate JSON so it can be served from Mythweb

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wagnerrp:

mythweb has its own similar Program object you may want to use instead

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wagnerrp:

it would be much better to use that native in php, than call in some external python process

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dmfrey:

ok, that was one option i was considering (taking the recorded.php and modifying it to return JSON)

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be difficult to add a new method to that class to output a JSON string

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wagnerrp:

ive added pickle support (python-specific serialization), but the json module doesnt seem to like Program objects directly at the moment

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remur_030_v2:

heyhey, a somewhat stupid request, do you know an alternative for mythtv that could work on a headless small server?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will work on a headless small server

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remur_030_v2:

i tried installing mythtv-backend, but it wants to pull in 340mb =(

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justinh:

depends what you mean small

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remur_030_v2:

it's a plugcomputer =)

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justinh:

if by small you mean cheapish modern CPU with about 1GB RAM.. sure. but if you mean a sheevaplug, forget it

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wagnerrp:

theres some minimal myth installer designed for such things that will run on 512MB of disk

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justinh:

mysql on a plugcomputer.. you're kidding

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remur_030_v2:

justinh: exactly, that's why I am looking for an alternative, mythtv-backend is just to big

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wagnerrp:

but yes, you do not want to use sheeva, or other similar underperforming machines for mythtv

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, some of the package installations have a lot more dependencies than are strictly necessary.

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remur_030_v2:

justinh: that's no problem I think, I am running redmine with a postgresql backend

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justinh:

you won't get away with putting *any* kind of DVR on that small a machine

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wagnerrp:

you do not want to use any similar PVR with a complex scheduler on such an underperforming machine

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dmfrey:

wagnerrp: the method you are referring to was that in the recorded.php?

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wagnerrp:

dmfrey: no, i was referring to something with the python bindings

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justinh:

remur_030_v2: mythtv doesn't work with anything but mysql

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dmfrey:

ok

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remur_030_v2:

hmm, the current method I use is cron and dumping streams with vlc

[14:24:59]

remur_030_v2:

there must be something better

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Hi, dmfrey.

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wagnerrp:

remur_030_v2: what are your reasons for using a sheevaplug?

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remur_030_v2:

justinh: yes I know, just wanted to point out mysql is a problem per se

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justinh:

yeah get a *real* computer

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dmfrey:

GadgetWisdomGuru: hey...how's it going?

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justinh:

you think you save money by using crap hardware unsuited to the job but...

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remur_030_v2:

no need to become offensive, this device is performing most of the task I require, I didn't knew dumping streams requires a workhorse

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wagnerrp:

dumping streams doesnt, the scheduler does

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justinh:

any DVR is doing much more than just dumping streams

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remur_030_v2:

I don't want any transcoding done

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wagnerrp:

so does commercial detection, transcoding, and any number of other tasks people want to do on DVRs

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justinh:

and the *scheduling*

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wagnerrp:

the scheduling and processing of downloaded guide data is /very/ intensive

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remur_030_v2:

That's why I am looking for a more lightweight solution =)

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remur_030_v2:

wagnerrp: hmm I am comfortable enterering start and stop time

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wagnerrp:

then you shouldnt use a DVR

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wagnerrp:

get an old VCR out of a scrap heap

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wagnerrp:

or spend half an hour programming the necessary code into perl/python

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remur_030_v2:

I have a script for dumping streams with vlc that takes nice input, I am looking for a better solution with a simple webfrontend and a way to launch streaming or similar

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wagnerrp:

steaming through a website is as simple as "<?php system('cat filename.mpg');?>

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remur_030_v2:

mythtv looked perfect, it's just too sophisticated

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wagnerrp:

back to the original question, why do you want to use a sheevaplug?

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remur_030_v2:

it's just what I have, I have an older athlon2000+ system, but it's loud and eats 100W, plus I got my laptop as workhorse

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wagnerrp:

i mean if its power consumption youre worried about, the hard drive and tuner cards are going to pull far more than that computer

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wagnerrp:

one of the devs runs his backend on a mac mini, which pulls not significantly more power than a sheevaplug, but has a lot of grunt behind it

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wagnerrp:

toms hardware did a thing a couple weeks back about building a 25W computer with standard commodity desktop hardware

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remur_030_v2:

wagnerrp: I know, I really like the configuration of these systems, but it's just not in my budget

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remur_030_v2:

that was about the mac minis

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Dmfrey, just rescanned broadcast and got a new channel that they put up on Trump Tower. Happy day if I like 80s movies, reruns, and Jeopardy.

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remur_030_v2:

wagnerrp: so you don't know a less featured alternative right? this was actually why I was comming here, I didn't hope to run mythtv on the sheeva

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AndyCap:

you could try to convince the mythtv in 1 line of perl guy to release his code to you

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wagnerrp:

the only other two linux DVR softwares i know of are VDR and Freevo

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wagnerrp:

ive never used either of them, but i know they are much reduced in capability from mythtv

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wagnerrp:

or yes, the infamous 1700-line mythtv

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remur_030_v2:

heh ok, I'll check these two, they looked pretty stale to me =/ guess mythtv won the dvr race? =)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I started thinking about Linux DVRs with Freevo

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I decided on myth

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Remur, someone has to win.

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fugdnscerd:

hey guys not really myth related but im trying to change settings for a pvrusb2 card from the cli, ivtv is for pci cards not for usb cards correct? and if yes what is the utility to control usb cards

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wagnerrp:

i think that has all been merged into v4l2-ctl

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fugdnscerd:

ok thanks

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justinh:

there's also the infamous tv-headend thing

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justinh:

but don't ask me to vouch for it in any way. it claims a lot but I've never ran it

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression it did nothing

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wagnerrp:

it merely provided a generic interface to connect XBMC with various DVR backends

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justinh:

ah no, it's meant to be an actual DVR backend

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justinh:

looking at their changelog http://trac.lonelycoder.com/hts/milestone/Tvheadend-2.11 one could be forgiven for thinking they're starting a slide down a slippery slope towards a complex scheduler ;-)

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justinh:

I say good luck to em. not everybody needs the complexity of mythtv's scheduling. I probably don't need much of it but it's nice to have

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justinh:

23 tickets though... that's er...a fairy tale number

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wagnerrp:

no, that just means no one is using it

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sphery:

but they have an iPhone client

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

We don't have an iPhone client

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure we have multiple

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gizmobay:

I'm in the watch recordings screen. It was set to view recorded shows not livetv shows. From the watch recordings screen how I can view the livetv shows?

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: change the filter at the top of the page

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, we do?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wait...I don't even want an iPhone

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wagnerrp:

theres some 3rd party client

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wagnerrp:

mythweb has an iphone mode

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wagnerrp:

then theres the remote control

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gizmobay:

livetv isn't an option

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wagnerrp:

then you must not have any livetv (or that ability has been removed)

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justinh:

then there's that iPhone app. for people with mo money than me

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sphery:

anyone know how I can type a keyword into mythfrontend's Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Search Words|Keywords using a non-ASCII letter?

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justinh:

oh wait that's *every* iPhone app :D

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** sphery is way to American **

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justinh:

sphery: with the UTF-8 keyboard patch you're gonna add to the onscreen keyboard dealy in about 10 minutes :P

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

makes testing a patch difficult if I can't type whatever characters are getting broken

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justinh:

doesn't linux have some kind of 'character map' thing?

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justinh:

though it won't be the same as typing it

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sphery:

Is AltGr something for doing that?

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sphery:

(it's on the UI keyboard)

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sphery:

or Comp (compose?)

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sphery:

ooh, got one!

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sphery:

Comp, i, ' gives i with accent

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gizmobay:

i ended up going to the setup and selected prompt group on entering watch recrdings. It's there. I don't want to prompt each time though for WAF

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: so hit 'record' on any livetv sessions you intend to keep

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sphery:

I'm starting to think maybe there are places outside the US...

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** justinh hands sphery a nice fresh AZERTY keyboard **

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gizmobay:

what happen is that I was watching a show and I went away and came back so I rewinded to the beggining and it froze so I had to exit. I started recording the show and I just wanted to watch the parts I missed.

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justinh:

sphery: actually no scratch that. just get your prez to convert every country in the world to dum-ocracy :-D

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justinh:

blinkin for'ners, wit their dang tootin' stoopid letterins

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sphery:

oh, got an enye with Comp, n, Shift, ~

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sphery:

that one's useful since I can search for Los Ninos en Su Casa

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sphery:

an it's definitely corrupt...

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, I'm sure he's on it.

[15:20:20]

sphery:

as soon as he fixes BP's big problem

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sphery:

:)

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justinh:

if it was up to me I'd just give it ascii throughout & make all the funny characters the same.. i.e. treat accented letters as though they weren't accented ;)

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sphery:

heh

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justinh:

heh it *was* BP's fault. I mean if they'd hired a competent contractor & all... ;-)

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sphery:

Object::connect: No such slot ProgLister::chooseView()

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sphery:

why is it that I have to find other bugs to fix when I'm fixing easy bugs?

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sphery:

and the kids are back in your house!

[15:24:18]

sphery:

the kids are in the house!

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wagnerrp:

the kids are alright?

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sphery:

I love that song

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wagnerrp:

meh, too poppy for my tastes

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gizmobay:

okay, figured it out. Need to hit menu (M key) twice to bring up change group filter.

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kormoc:

what song?

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wagnerrp:

that being the The Who version

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wagnerrp:

not the offspring one of slightly different name

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** kormoc doesn't think sphery's song is the who song **

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sphery:

yeah, I was thinking Offspring

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sphery:

though that's "The Kids Aren't Alright"

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kormoc:

I'm not a offspring fan

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sphery:

kormoc: d'oh! I crashed settings table and check table settings quick; gives "mythconverg.settings | check | status | OK". Had to run a medium check for it to notice and mark the table as crashed.

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kormoc:

how'd you crash it?

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sphery:

um, the normal way: dd if=/dev/zero of=/srv/mysql/mythconverg/settings.MYD bs=1 count=1

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sphery:

heh :)

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

yeah, quick only checks that it was shutdown correctly by the engine, not that any files are corrupt

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sphery:

I'm thinking of making master backend do a quick check and mythtv-setup do a normal check

[16:03:09]

kormoc:

basically it just checks for killall -9 mysqld

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** kormoc nods **

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sphery:

hmmm... it notices that housekeeping is corrupt when I do that for it

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kormoc:

weird

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sphery:

(even with quick)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

oh well, I can probably do a more thorough check on mythtv-setup

[16:03:54]

sphery:

not too slow

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sphery:

8s...

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sphery:

actually, more like 4.5

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** kormoc nods **

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sphery:

and that's with a /very/ large recordedseek

[16:05:10]

sphery:

no, wait, it was 8–10s

[16:05:15]

sphery:

too many different systems

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I was just in Mythsetup today

[16:06:51]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Does anyone remember what the highest channel number for US Broadcast TV is with the spectrum cutoff?

[16:07:06]

sphery:

no idea

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sphery:

last I knew it was 69 for OTA

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EvilGuru:

How can I inform Mythtv that certain channels are commerical free and therefore not worth flagging?

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kormoc:

by setting the commercial free checkbox to checked in the channel setup?

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EvilGuru:

kormoc: Is that in one of the options dialogs?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup or mythweb

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, I thought they trimmed it post-digital conversion

[16:09:37]

sphery:

heh, the repair caused me to lose all my settings

[16:09:48]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: yeah, I last knew before the conversion

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just can't remember where it is, so I keep setting the scan to 60. I think it is in the 50s

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sphery:

strange that I lost everything in settings, but I only lose a row at a time in housekeeping

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sphery:

EvilGuru: specifically, in mythtv-setup, set "Commercial Detection Method" to "Commercial Free"

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sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: then again, just letting it scan to 83 doesn't hurt...

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EvilGuru:

sphery: Thanks

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If that's EvilGuru, then does that make me Good Guru?

[16:12:42]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

hmm...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, I suppose not.

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sphery:

kormoc: mythconverg.settings | repair | warning | Number of rows changed from 458 to 0

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sphery:

granted, I have a non-typical crashed table

[16:16:19]

sphery:

I suppose, though, that whether we repair it or they do, bad things may happen

[16:16:28]

sphery:

just means users need a proper backup strategy

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kormoc:

index got corrupt then

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

myisam was never designed to be used if you care about your data

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

speaking of which, running CHECK TABLE on an InnoDB table isn't a problem, right?

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kormoc:

right

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sphery:

good

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wagnerrp:

so why does allene222 still use 0.21?

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kormoc:

last version certain illegal patches applied to our source?

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sphery:

oh, it's my dd that's erasing it

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sphery:

trying to remember how to write on byte while leaving the rest untouched...

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kormoc:

dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1 count=1

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kormoc:

?

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sphery:

notrunc

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

I had it all working last time when I was planning my fix, but I just left the command in my bash_history and it rolled off by the time I actually did the patch

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sphery:

so I remembered the general idea of crashing it, but not the actual invocation--conv=notrunc is critical, though :)

[16:30:22]

sphery:

kormoc: I think I now understand why it didn't notice it was crashed: mythconverg.settings | check | error | Delete link points outside datafile at 0

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sphery:

it was just a delete link

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sphery:

so I didn't overwrite anything too critical

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kormoc:

ahh

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drindt:

i have installed mythbrowser but how to start them?

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wagnerrp:

frontend, information center

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i see there a dialog about browser command and font size, when i choose internal and press then ok i come back to the main menu, after going back to the WWW entry iam back again to the dialog what asking me for browser command and font size. iam confused...

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drindt:

wagnerrp: nevermind, i was in the wrong menu

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sphery:

kormoc: do you know if the quick check would catch crashed tables that crashed due to a full filesystem?

[17:22:13]

sphery:

I'd guess most of our users' crashed tables are due to server kills/power outages or full filesystems

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Beirdo:

I would bet you are spot on there

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Beirdo:

you could even check for full filesystem.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

problem with that of course being if mysql is installed oddly

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sphery:

heh, we probably should, but...

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Beirdo:

unless mysql itself gives a method to get that info

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sphery:

plus, my mythtv user would see the filesystem as full before my mysql user would (due to quotas/reserved space)

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

they'd be under the same reserved space

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Beirdo:

reserved is for root only

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

I didn't say who my mysqld user is :)

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Beirdo:

quotas.... like many mythtv users would ever use quotas :)

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Beirdo:

but yeah, that's always a possibility for those who are silly and run mysql as root

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

or mythtv as root

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kormoc:

sphery, it would

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sphery:

kormoc: cool.

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sphery:

I'm just going with quick for startup. I may do a medium check daily in the housekeeper

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

OK... Seagate Barracuda LP or WD Caviar Green....

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kormoc:

no smart with seagate...

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Beirdo:

really? It's always worked for me on other Seagates

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Beirdo:

well.. "worked"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

they do have funky tables

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kormoc:

if the values are meaningless, I don't consider them valid

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Beirdo:

not all the values are meaningless though

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Beirdo:

the temperature for instance :)

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sphery:

kormoc: maybe changed?

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sphery:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/check-table.html

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, I use the Greens. I like them

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sphery:

hmmm... no, since we'll generally change data in all of them in a typical run... nvm

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I can wait :)

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

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gbee:

started populating the 0.23.1 changelog, but if anyone wants to help – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . mp;limit=200 http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23.1

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sphery:

gbee: did you mention it to skd5aner ? He's been doing the -fixes changelog

[17:46:38]

sphery:

(guess now it's mentioned if it wasn't before :)

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gbee:

huh, missed the fact that there even was a -fixes changelog

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gbee:

I knew skd5aner has been doing great work on the trunk changelog

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gbee:

a -fixes changelog would make creating changelogs for the point releases much easier

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sphery:

hmmm.... I thought there was a -fixes changelog

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drindt:

when i had enabled the commercial flagging during the record its mentioned to run this only on powerful machines, what is a powerful machine in that case? i have a atom 330 where the backend is running on. can i enable this option then without side effects?

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sphery:

heh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22-fixes

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sphery:

gbee: perhaps you'd want to delete that page?

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gbee:

already did

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sphery:

thx

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gbee:

and fixed the two pages linking it

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sphery:

any reason http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes redirects to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23 instead of 0.23.1?

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gbee:

it hasn't been updated yet

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sphery:

oh, yeah, and I just realized that without a real 0.23.1 release notes page...

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sphery:

(like until it's updated)

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fugdnscerd:

any idea what the difference between mpeg2-ps and "mpeg2 dvd-compatible stream" is?

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drindt:

when i had enabled the commercial flagging during the record its mentioned to run this only on powerful machines, what is a powerful machine in that case? i have a atom 330 where the backend is running on. can i enable this option then without side effects?

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Beirdo:

drindt: stop asking the same thing over and over

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Beirdo:

if you're not sure how it will act, try it

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drindt:

Beirdo: ok, ok

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kormoc:

atom 330 is a powerful machine eh

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sphery:

considering it takes a similar-performance Pentium III trillions of atoms to do the job, I'd say it's a powerful atom

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wagnerrp:

sphery: id say youre a couple orders of magnitude off on that one

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sphery:

MUA's that reply with forwards should be banned on the Internet

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sphery:

wagnerrp: on the number of atoms?

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sphery:

or performance?

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wagnerrp:

count

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sphery:

so how many atoms in a PII?

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sphery:

er, PIII

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wagnerrp:

silicon is on the order of 10x-10 per side, while while chips are on the order of 10x-2

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wagnerrp:

so youve got 10x16 for a flat sheet, thats probably going to be a few hundred thick

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wagnerrp:

while trillions is only 10x12

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sphery:

so 10s of quadrillions?

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wagnerrp:

quintillions

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sphery:

I started to count the atoms, but realized that if I wanted to make a timely joke, I'd need to guesstimate

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kormoc:

heh

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bwallen:

I know that Boxee can connect to a mythbacked, but cand I watch live tv from myth via boxee?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know boxee could do that

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Unofficially, I believe

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sphery:

why not just use a real frontend and all the features it provides

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sphery:

then again, why use live tv

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i know some user recently wrote a 3rd party plugin that interfaces through mythxml

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wagnerrp:

however only the official backend protocol can initiate and manage livetv sessions

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bwallen:

Ok, thanks for the info. I'll try to look for that plugin

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kormoc:

that plugin won't give you live tv

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wagnerrp:

as explained, it uses mythxml, which is not capable of livetv

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bwallen:

crap

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rhollan:

mythweb music still busted for IE

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wagnerrp:

probably

[19:56:34]

wagnerrp:

i doubt thats on anyone's high priority list

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rhollan:

lemme guess: A DOM update issue?

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rhollan:

generate a raw page and then try to patch it up with JavaSh*t?

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wagnerrp:

more likely a not-our-issue

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wagnerrp:

probably a deficiency carried over from mp3act

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rhollan:

eh?

[19:57:55]

rhollan:

mp3act?

[19:58:03]

wagnerrp:

yes

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rhollan:

what IS mp3act, I mean?

[19:58:28]

wagnerrp:

the web application mythweb consumed for music

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wagnerrp:

!url google mp3act

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MythLogBot:

google: http://www.google.com/

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sphery:

is that something that someone could "sync" for us?

[19:59:01]

rhollan:

Ah, I figured. So, it it IE DOM that is misbehaving, or mp3act that got it wrong, or no one knows or cares

[19:59:08]

wagnerrp:

aww

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rhollan:

sync? Is in port fixed updated version

[19:59:47]

rhollan:

As in...

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sphery:

http://www.mp3act.net/

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wagnerrp:

as in refresh our local copy with a more recent version

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sphery:

heh, doesn't resolve for me

[20:00:03]

rhollan:

Ah.

[20:00:07]

sphery:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp3act/ links to it

[20:00:08]

rhollan:

me neither

[20:00:28]

sphery:

looks kind of dead, maybe?

[20:00:34]

sphery:

posted by nobody 692 days ago

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wagnerrp:

newest files... 2005-08–02

[20:00:51]

rhollan:

Sigh. I guess I should.

[20:00:52]

sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

id say dead

[20:01:23]

sphery:

so, maybe someone should find a new/better music web app and redo ours with it

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rhollan:

Just finished configing authenticated wireless access at home via WPA2/Enterprise supporting EAP-TLS, EAP-TTLS/PAP, EAP-PEAP/MSCHAPv2. I now know more RADIUS and LDAP than I ever cared to. What's learing a little PHP and AXAX after that?

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sphery:

feel free to find a not-dead project to pull in, instead :)

[20:02:42]

rhollan:

suggestions?

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sphery:

no clue here

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sphery:

I don't do "web music"

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rhollan:

me neither.

[20:03:14]

rhollan:

easiest way to get music on nettops thou

[20:03:27]

rhollan:

esp. those that my kids insist run WinBlows.

[20:03:27]

kormoc:

mp3act did it wrong and it's non-trivial to fix

[20:03:49]

kormoc:

why not share it via read-only nfs and have them point their media player at it?

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wagnerrp:

soundmanager? http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/

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wagnerrp:

sphery: look at that, i can copy/paste through xpra :)

[20:04:26]

sphery:

heh, no more wagnerrp-encoded URIs

[20:04:33]

rhollan:

kormoc: the more ways to access media, the greater a pain it is, though that is the easy cop out. The problem is serving metadata to different apps

[20:04:49]

rhollan:

or chose to not serve metadata at all

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kormoc:

metadata in mp3 files are stored in the file...

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rhollan:

I ripped flac files

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rhollan:

and like how cover artwork can be retrieved

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kormoc:

if flac supports id3 tags, the cover art can be embedded in the file

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wagnerrp:

soundmanager seems more like a playback API rather than a full web application like mp3act

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rhollan:

yeah, but that means post-import edit of the file, which requires write permissions

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kormoc:

you can manage that locally. You only have to do it once

[20:08:13]

** kormoc shrugs **

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rhollan:

I guess

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rhollan:

Also, with NFS, one has lack of authentication. Web apps allow authentication to be handled at the web server

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: hey i was finally able to get the os x frontend to build on 10.6. Although i still am missing the qt jpeg plugin

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sphery:

Shadow__X: I thought you said it was building it?

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Shadow__X:

sphery: thats what i though but i guess i was wrong

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sphery:

:(

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Shadow__X:

yeah so I am unsure where to go from here. It seems like i might be able to get the plugin and drop it within the mythfrontend.app? or maybe i have to look at the build script

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

is it a separate qt plugin or just a configure option?

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: from what i have read with qt4 jpeg is a plugin or atleast thats my understanding of it

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kormoc:

how are you checking for it's existance?

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: sphery found this page a few days ago http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/deployment-mac.html#qt-plugins

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kormoc:

and how can you tell it's not working?

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sphery:

do you have a qjpeg*.dylib?

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Shadow__X:

i was running the frontend and when i went to mythvideo none of my jpeg metadata images came up. the only image that came up was a .png at which point i went to the console to check the errors and it seemed to point towards the plugin

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kormoc:

./.osx-packager/build/plugins/imageformats/libqjpeg.dylib

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kormoc:

so mine is building it

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kormoc:

let me check to see if mine work or not

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sphery:

oh, libqjpeg*.dylib... heh

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sphery:

and kormoc's is where it shoudl be for deployment

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: yeah i have libqjpeb.dylib in that folder

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sphery:

so it may just require setting a lib path for the Mac OS guys

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sphery:

so it finds the imageformats plugins

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Shadow__X:

sphery: how would i check that?

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sphery:

Shadow__X: do you have a qt.conf?

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Shadow__X:

not in my home folder

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Shadow__X:

wait i thought that was a .qt sorry

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sphery:

on Mac OS X, in the Resource directory inside the appliction bundle, for example assistant.app/Contents/Resources/qt.conf

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Shadow__X:

sphery: nope

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Brad-D:

hey guys, i'm trying to run a python script i created as a user job, and it just seems to stayed "queued" for infinity, and never runs. Any idea what I might be doing wrong?

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sphery:

seems the packager script should make a qt.conf, put it in that location, and specify the location of the plugins in the app bundle

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Shadow__X:

and sorry about the misinterpretation

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Beirdo:

Brad-D: maybe it was just getting outta bed? :)

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: you have not set that user job as runnable by any backend

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wagnerrp:

by default, no backend will run a user job

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Brad-D:

ahhhh that makes total sense, i don't remember setting anything like that, i just typed in the command

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Brad-D:

although i suspect beirdo is onto something to? ;)

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sphery:

Shadow__X: or, possibly easier, just make Contents/plugins/imageformats/libqjpeg.dylib

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Brad-D:

i would enable that in mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

and don't do a new qt.conf

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wagnerrp:

'queued for infinity', i was going to call it british

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: yes, in mythtv-setup on the backend you want to run the job on

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wagnerrp:

and then you must restart the backend

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Brad-D:

gotcha, thanks

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Shadow__X:

sphery: ok so your saying create the plugins folder undert Contents and try that?

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Shadow__X:

will do

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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sphery:

Shadow__X: yeah, and make sure you put imageformats/libqjpeg.dylib in plugins

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Brad-D:

looks like it will take a while to find out, gotta few hours of recordings to finish before i can mess with the backend

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Shadow__X:

sphery: just did that now will fire it up

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Brad-D:

can anyone make a recommendation for a good wireless keyboard, that has a extremely long range?

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wagnerrp:

anything bluetooth should work

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sphery:

bluetooth is better than just RF?

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sphery:

is that for the "good" part or the "long range" part?

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wagnerrp:

the proprietary RF stuff ive used, definately

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wagnerrp:

all of my RF logitech stuff dies after ~4ft

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Shadow__X:

this is the error i am getting http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1908336

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Brad-D:

yeah i have the same 4 ft problem on multiple wireless keyboards

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Brad-D:

what is the range of your bluetooth keyboard wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

i dont have one

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wagnerrp:

but bluetooth is supposed to be 30ft minimum

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sphery:

I find that the BT disconnects after a short time, then I hit a key and it doesn't take, so I type things like, "kdir temp" or "s -l"

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Shadow__X:

but when i open mythfrontend without creating the imageformats folder i just get the "error loading image to scale" for all the jpegs

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sphery:

(i.e. first key causes it to reconnect, but doesn't count)

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wagnerrp:

my PS3 controllers, and wiimotes ive used, are good for several dozen feet and several walls before they crap out

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i though it was 30ft max or line of sight?

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Shadow__X:

for bluetooth anyway

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sphery:

I will admit that my Logitech RF has very short range

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wagnerrp:

s/very short/pathetic/

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sphery:

and is blocked by the monitor between me and the receiver

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wagnerrp:

i love this mouse and keyboard, but i make no claims about it working past the edge of my desk

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sphery:

I have only one wireless keyboard. I never type passwords on wireless keyboards, so the only system I can use it on is my Myth box.

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

quite the paranoid one there

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Beirdo:

Mr. Paranoid

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

hey, when everyone is out to get your passwords, you're allowed to be paranoid

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Beirdo:

yeah, I suppose

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Shadow__X:

sphery: what about the fact that you can easily get the transmissions of a wired keyboard from around 60–100 ft away through walls

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wagnerrp:

when i cant reliably type from 5ft, who is going to reliably steal passwords from 50

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sphery:

I just figure until Logitech lets me (where me = someone much smarter than me who doesn't work for Logitech) verify the encryption in use, I'm not going to trust it.

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wagnerrp:

now sure, /i/ could probably figure out how to rig up a high gain antenna to an oscilloscope, and work out the protocol

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Beirdo:

use opie for login

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

but ive got better things to do with my week

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sphery:

isn't opie dead?

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Beirdo:

so? Resurrect it

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wagnerrp:

and the people who live around me are technophobes

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sphery:

last I checked there was no current otp for GNU/Linux

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Beirdo:

one-time passwords FTW

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wagnerrp:

my BSD boxes keep complaining in the logs about OPIE not being set up properly

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Beirdo:

BSD00

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Beirdo:

er

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Beirdo:

BSD--

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo is being silly, of course **

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Beirdo:

at least it ain't Windoze

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just ignore the black vans parked down the way with the big satellites on top... they're uhhh... news vans...

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Shadow__X:

http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/

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sphery:

heh, cool

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Shadow__X:

hmm the first example was upto roughly 65 feet

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kormoc:

sphery, they say wired keyboards are just as bad, so you better start typing with a butterfly

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wagnerrp:

well there you go... you just have to chicken-wire all your rooms

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Shadow__X:

:)

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wagnerrp:

or just use stucco\

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Shadow__X:

faraday cages for everyone

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sphery:

kormoc: good butterflies are beautiful plan

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sphery:

hey, I didn't say to butterflies make the world a better place flap there

[20:54:59]

sphery:

this is impossible butterflies are smarter than sphery

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sphery:

back to the wired keyboard... I need to find some butterflies without brains of their own.

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Shadow__X:

so anyone have an idea whats going on with the qt jpeg plugin ? it seems like its there but just not working right?

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sphery:

Shadow__X: so even with it in that dir it doesn't help?

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sphery:

that /seems/ to be the default dir for the plugins for Mac OS

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Shadow__X:

gives me this issue http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1908336

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sphery:

but if not, you may need a qt.conf

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sphery:

I guess I'll withdraw my application to become a Mac Genius

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kormoc:

I'm getting the target thread crap just on startup of mythfrontend

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Shadow__X:

well one of the errors would make it seem that putting that lib there makes it try to load twice

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kormoc:

I need to poke at that

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sphery:

that's possible

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sphery:

the packager may have installed it somewhere (as part of Qt or something?)

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kormoc:

I think it compiles it in statically

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Shadow__X:

but the interesting error is that even without puttig that lib in there i still get this "error loading image to scale"

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Shadow__X:

i get that error even with other peoples autobuilds not just my own

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Shadow__X:

and that was the original error i was getting before i even thought of building my own

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Shadow__X:

seems like the same issue as this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/419548

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sphery:

kormoc: please let me know if [25426] does Bad Things to your non-MyISAM DB :) (or if you have suggestions for improvements)

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dmfrey:

i started building a json module (much like default, rss, etc) that builds on recordings.php in modules/tv. mythweb doesn't understand that created a new module in the modules/tv/tmpl. where do i tell mythweb there is now a json module?

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tate:

I have a fresh ubuntu install, I installed mythtv and while I can connect the frontend to the backend locally on the same computer when I run the backend from the shell, the front end cannot find the backend when the backend daemon is running.

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tate:

Any notion as to what could cause this unpleasantness?

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wagnerrp:

what IP did you set for the backend to use?

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sphery:

dmfrey: Don't know the answer, but another developer has already written MythXML (in the backend) to speak JSON. You may want to talk to him before going too far down the JSON route.

[21:30:23]

tate:

I gave it first my actual, then 127.0.0.1

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dmfrey:

sphery: do you know who that is?

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sphery:

tate: I'd guess you have different mysql.txt or config.xml files

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tate:

It works fine in either case if I go to the terminal and run mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

clearly having it listen on 127.0.0.1 isnt going to work for external connections

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sphery:

dmfrey: cdev

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sphery:

dmfrey: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/420010#420010

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tate:

It's the same computer

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sphery:

er, actually, the linked post

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/418085#418085

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wagnerrp:

but youre trying to connect a remote frontend

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dmfrey:

i will take a look, thanks

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

yeah, what sphery said, mysql.txt/config.xml badness

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sphery:

tate: note that most systems have multiple mysql.txt/config.xml files

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wagnerrp:

one per user

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tate:

so the daemon has one, and running as myself I have another

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sphery:

dmfrey: you might be able to get in touch with him through the -dev list

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dmfrey:

ok

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sphery:

dmfrey: we would all be very happy if you can get him to actually commit it :)

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sphery:

(I think he got busy with other stuff during the post 0.23 dev timeframe)

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dmfrey:

:)

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wagnerrp:

and hes available occasionally in the dev channel

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

if you ping him in the dev channel, it may get his attention :)

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Shadow__X:

sphery: is there a way to test the jpeg plugin to make sure its ok or is there a way to look into further why it says error loading image to scale

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sphery:

Shadow__X: no idea

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sphery:

I use a Free OS :)

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Shadow__X:

parts of this OS are free

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dmfrey:

sphery: that would still mean accessing it off of port 6544, correct? it so, i am trying to avoid having to expose that port

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wagnerrp:

dmfrey: so proxy parts of it through apache

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sphery:

dmfrey: yeah

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: are you around by any chance?

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sphery:

why are you going outside your network with it, anyway?

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** wagnerrp needs better headphones **

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sphery:

dmfrey: but, if nothing else, MythWeb should simply proxy the JSON (or MythXML stuff) for you rather than re-invent it

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sphery:

(or possibly proxy and build upon)

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: do you work on qt?

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dmfrey:

right, that is why i was going to right a json template that already used the recorded.php, much like the rss template is supposed to

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

dmfrey: oh... might want to talk to kormoc about that, then

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Shadow__X:

k thanks. just want to get to the bottom of this weird issue. I wonder if the frontend has the jpegs come up on 10.5

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dmfrey:

is he here or in the dev channel?

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dmfrey:

nevermind :)

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wagnerrp:

!seen cdev

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MythLogBot:

cdev was last seen 983 days 20 minutes 50 seconds ago

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tate:

So do I copy some files or do I need to consider a full reinstall here?

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wagnerrp:

im going to guess over there

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dmfrey:

kormoc: thanks

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dmfrey:

thanks

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sphery:

oh, he's approaching 1000-days without #mythtv-users

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sphery:

dmfrey: kormoc hangs out here, though

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dmfrey:

cool, i will post here as well

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dmfrey:

kormoc: i was told you could help me get mythweb to understand a new template module. i am writing a json template for recordings.php. how do I tell mythweb there is a new template module (much like how the rss module works)?

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wagnerrp:

aww WTF

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sphery:

well, I'm sure we've pinged him enough that he would have noticed in both places :)

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wagnerrp:

they changed the line

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wagnerrp:

they didnt even dub it well

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wagnerrp:

its clearly another voice, not the original

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sphery:

which line?

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wagnerrp:

they changed the number of replicants in blade runner from 5 to 4

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

they used to say five, leaving you wondering who the fifth was, with speculation far and wide

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wagnerrp:

when they re-re-re-released it in achdee, they dubbed over the line

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sphery:

grrrrr..... Got a segfault, so I ran in gdb and I can't repro it

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sphery:

and the worst part is I can't repro it without gdb, either

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sphery:

double free...

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Beirdo:

oh, I hate those

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sphery:

so I don't know if it's my patch or a pre-existing issue...

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sphery:

annoying

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sphery:

since the patch is a UI one, though, I think I'll ask for review

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Beirdo:

prob a good plane

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Shadow__X:

anyone read the tomshardware article where they compare the atom d510 to a p4 3.2ghz?

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wagnerrp:

the one modern processor an old P4 still competes with?

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Beirdo:

you know... newer != better

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Shadow__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

and its 13W TDP

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wagnerrp:

thats awful

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Shadow__X:

i loved how they put atoms with the 945 chipset

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sphery:

Shadow__X: is the 945 a power hog or something?

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Shadow__X:

sphery: yeah for example the atom n270 would pull around 10 watts or perhaps less the 945 would pull like 15 to 20 on its own tmk

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sphery:

hmmm, repeat recommendation from newegg almost exactly 12hrs later

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sphery:

Shadow__X: heh, funny

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sphery:

I'm interested in seeing what Fusion looks like

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Shadow__X:

i am sorry the max tdp for the n270(mobile chip 1.6 ghz) was 2.5 W

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wagnerrp:

the single core desktop chip was 4W, but they would pair it with a northbridge that would bring idle system load well over 25W

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wagnerrp:

the dual core was double that

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sphery:

is that what j-rod meant in his post?

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wagnerrp:

now the new dual core is up to 13W

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wagnerrp:

hopefully with a smaller south bridge

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah the northbridge is better now

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wagnerrp:

the northbridge doesnt exist now

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wagnerrp:

its been consumed by the CPU

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Shadow__X:

oh right nvm

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/443908#443908 post

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sphery:

Ontario ftw!

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wagnerrp:

no, j-rod's post was discussing how the desktop atoms didnt scale back much from TDP

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sphery:

(actually, Ontario will be interesting to see, but I doubt it will have the performance I want)

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sphery:

"didn't" as in they no longer make them?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about the new ones

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wagnerrp:

sounds like the Reds won

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sphery:

hmm, just curious

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sphery:

poor Blues

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sphery:

and I really liked Church

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wagnerrp:

errr, no... they lost with no runs

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wagnerrp:

then why did they just fire off a salvo of fireworks

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sphery:

the no-return policy?

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[R]:

oh man, i just watched the New Yankee Workshop

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[R]:

pretty EXTREME

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Beirdo:

ah, I love having too much TV recorded to watch

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[R]:

i have like 370 episdoes of cops

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[R]:

you mean like that?

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[R]:

i mean 260

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Beirdo:

that's not TV.

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Beirdo:

that's a train wreck

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[R]:

your right... its AWESOMENESS

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wagnerrp:

i liked the Cops episode with Mulder and Scully

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kormoc:

wagnerrp++

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Beirdo:

queiro cerveza

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rhollan:

Now this is cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_for_Supermarkets

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rhollan:

The 59-year-old French composer has had four entries in the Guinness Book Of Records for concert attendances, breaking his own total three times ? the largest being in 1997 when he performed to 3.5 million people in Moscow.

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