Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 27th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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wagnerrp:

but only 12 channels

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wagnerrp:

and thats at much reduced clock speed

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wagnerrp:

memory clock speed, that is

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wagnerrp:

the Xeon memory controller downclocks itself when you hit 4 banks/channel

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Beirdo:

even room left for sphery to boinc

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kormoc:

only 1066 mhz vs 1333

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wagnerrp:

and again when you hit 6 (or maybe 8)

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kormoc:

it's not /that/ much slower, especially given you can run 2t

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kormoc:

although, to be fair, that's specialized hardware that's uber costly

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Beirdo:

boinc-ity boinc boinc boinc

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Beirdo:

2010-07–26 21:00:02.941 ProgramInfo(1264_20100726210000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1264_20100726210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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Beirdo:

abqjp: it spews that a few times before changing channels to record the file in question (with your patches)

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Beirdo:

just thought I'd let ya know :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I got other things on the list, but it will be on the list still

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kormoc:

most folks are limited to 256 gigs

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

lots of corruption with this new hdpvr firmware

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: can you actually build a system that could hold 2tb? or is that just the addressable limit?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Yeah, you can. There's memory bank extenders available for HPC setups that allow you to fake 128 gig sticks

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kormoc:

they're just uber costly and really really rare

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wagnerrp:

oh? never heard of em

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wagnerrp:

so is that one really big server? or did the whole network split down the middle?

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kormoc:

I have no idea

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wagnerrp:

we lost ChanServ, i guess that means were on the wrong side

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saintdev:

i'm on both sides fwiw :P

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we lost ChanServ, yet we had the bigger side of the split... go figure that one

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** wagnerrp gets a surf board **

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wagnerrp:

they just keep on comin'

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kormoc:

yerg-tastic

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saintdev:

freenode must be getting ddos'd again, or something

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leprechau:

it's nasty tonight

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wagnerrp:

CI+ is full DRM, right?

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orly_owl:

+?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, no unscrambled access to content

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Shadow__X:

hey guys apparently kmart has a 7inch tablet for 150 bucks

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Beirdo:

blargh

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pyarra:

you'd need a big glass of water to wash down a 7" tablet ;-)

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Shadow__X:

http://kmart.shoplocal.com/kmart/default.aspx . . . =-2086512612

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Beirdo:

Guest6908: fix the network :)

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Shadow__X:

runs android 2.1 though

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kormoc:

Entirely OT, but people wash chicken before cooking it? WTF?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: a lot of people do

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wagnerrp:

i bread mine

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Beirdo:

mmmm

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Shadow__X:

i just cook it and season it

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wagnerrp:

and then stick it in boiling oil

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kormoc:

Beirdo, those folks are insane

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pyarra:

I'd always wash any utensils before using them on something else – some kind of bacterial risk, I think

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Beirdo:

kormoc: well, that's quite likely :)

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pyarra:

but that's killed by cooking. Not sure I see a need to wash it

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kormoc:

pyarra, you always should, cross contamination is a big deal

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Beirdo:

rinse I think is the more operative word

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Beirdo:

I doubt anyone would wash chicken... with soap :)

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Beirdo:

maybe Mr. Monk

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pyarra:

it's not the washing that's strange, but the tumble-drying

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saintdev:

lol

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kormoc:

but in anycase, if anyone rinses their chicken, they're doing more harm then good, http://www.slashfood.com/2010/07/26/washing-r . . . soning-risk/

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kormoc:

I wash things obsessively, but meats? yerg!

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, I'd only rinse meat if it like got dirty or something

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Beirdo:

usually accompanied by copious swearing

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wagnerrp:

why dont they just nuke the stuff after packaging?

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pyarra:

thanks kormoc, that's handy to know. Probably doesn;t help me with mythtv, but will keep me alive long enough to enjoy it

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wagnerrp:

nuking is good, nuking is your friend

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, leave my meat potentially deadly! It's the only survival of the fittest left in this country!

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** Beirdo nukes Cincinnatti **

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wagnerrp:

sealed nuked food has almost an unlimited shelf life

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Beirdo:

and almost no appeal

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wagnerrp:

?

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Beirdo:

I like my steak nearly mooing

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Beirdo:

mmmm, steak

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wagnerrp:

nukage... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_irradiation , not nukage... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

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Beirdo:

yeah... you should hear my ex-father-in-law's lovely conspiracy theories about irradiated food

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pyarra:

darn, I thought you might mean nukage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_particle_accelerator

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Beirdo:

nukage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_device

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kormoc:

How about a nice game of chess?

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pyarra:

I don;t have access to a thermonuclear device

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wagnerrp:

would you like access to a thermonuclear device?

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Beirdo:

pyarra: good

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Beirdo:

we'd have to report you to the authorities if you did

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pyarra:

but I could get my unwashed chicken near a linac

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wagnerrp:

does anyone else find the phrase 'unwashed chicken' slightly disturbing?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

like the "unwashed poor"?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nopers!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, something like that

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wagnerrp:

or 'masses'

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Beirdo:

I think you should wash your chicken...

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Beirdo:

before you pluck it

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Beirdo:

and probably shortly after :)

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kormoc:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled unwashed masses yearning to breathe free so I might deep fry them for dinner

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Beirdo:

yummm

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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wagnerrp:

colonel soylent

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wagnerrp:

erm... colonel's soylent

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pyarra:

you guys sure do know a lot about chicken. D'you know anything about mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

nada, im a Windows Media Center guy myself

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Beirdo:

only when we ain't eating

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Beirdo:

pyarra: what's up?

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kormoc:

We might know a thing or two here and there

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wagnerrp:

if you asked a question at some point, im sure it got lost in the split flood

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pyarra:

ah, I was asking yesterday: is it possible to exit the CD Ripper doodad, and leave it ripping while you go off and do something else (like you can with the DVD ripper)?

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Beirdo:

freenode goes down... freenode goes up...

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wagnerrp:

freenode go down the hole...

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Beirdo:

no clue on that.

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Beirdo:

I don't do ripping

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kormoc:

I don't believe so

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kormoc:

but it's been years

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wagnerrp:

plus CD ripping is only going to take a few minutes

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wagnerrp:

it probably wasnt even considered useful

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Beirdo:

that too

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pyarra:

wagnerrp: what CD rips in minutes? Mine take a little longer than that

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Beirdo:

ummm, all of them

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wagnerrp:

last time i ripped a CD on my desktop, to FLAC, it took like 3 minutes

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kormoc:

does mythmusic default to 1x ripping?

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Beirdo:

it's only like 80min total music in real time

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Beirdo:

so even at 1x, it's only minutes

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pyarra:

like I say, it's not a big deal, just wondered if there was a way to do it

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Beirdo:

if it's going less than 1x, you really need a better setup ;)

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Beirdo:

nah, doubt there is

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pyarra:

one better way I know is to rip from my desktop and scp them across

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wagnerrp:

NFS or CIFS mounts would probably be easier

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wagnerrp:

and would let you access the music from your desktop

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Beirdo:

not sure why that would be any faster than ripping right on the box

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pyarra:

beirdo: it's not *faster* – it doesn't tie up the myth box while I do it

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wagnerrp:

oof... my desktop seems to be ripping this CD at a whopping 3x

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

there is taht

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wagnerrp:

of course it subsequently compressed the files at like 75x

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Beirdo:

or you could rip from an ssh window

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Beirdo:

you don't NEED to use mythtv to rip cds.

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pyarra:

wagnerrp: I'm not that inclined to use NFS or samba, I I am pretty comfortable using SSH

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Beirdo:

ahh, git FTW

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Beirdo:

mmmm, top gear

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

he's dissing the new Porsche 911

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wagnerrp:

because... its ugly?

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Beirdo:

the flipping gear knob came off shifting into 3rd

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wagnerrp:

hah

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Beirdo:

and the seat presets are conveniently placed right where your knee goes on corners

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's the exact same as the old 911

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Beirdo:

yeah, precisely the same, except the gear shift knob comes off :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but he does like the Carrera S

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Beirdo:

as opposed to the Carrera

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[R]:

if S means sports

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[R]:

LS means Luxury Sport right?

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Beirdo:

the 3.6 is for fat people

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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[R]:

i have a cavallier ls

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Beirdo:

I should get one, I guess

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Beirdo:

128.9s lap... in the rain

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Beirdo:

1:28.9 rather

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Beirdo:

duh.

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** Beirdo is a tard **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and then he's dissing Hummers

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Beirdo:

I gotta say, I like this show

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Beirdo:

wish it were real HD though

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Guest53783:

hello, i hope i can get some help

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Guest53783:

I just installed mythbuntu and can'

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Guest53783:

t seem to figure out how to rip my movies and see them

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Guest53783:

any mythtv users here?

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[R]:

no, i don't think anyone uses mythtv here

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Guest53783:

hahha

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Guest53783:

I am trying to set my mthtv box up and I'm haveing a bit of a snag

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wagnerrp:

common IRC practice is to ask your question, and then wait

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wagnerrp:

someone may answer promptly, someone may answer several hours from now

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Guest53783:

When I rip a dvd with mythtv i can't find it in my library

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[R]:

FFS

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[R]:

i touched /forcefsck and rebooted

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[R]:

except it doesnt look like its actually booting

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wagnerrp:

usually, you should wait an hour or so before asking your question again

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wagnerrp:

DVD ripping is one of the lesser used features of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

so it may be some time before you find someone with experience using it

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Guest53783:

even if i use dvd::rip or some external ripping program I can't seem to add my AVI file to my library

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wagnerrp:

did you tell mythtv where your content is?

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Guest53783:

yes

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wagnerrp:

did you tell mythtv to scan for new content?

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Guest53783:

when i goto library->videos it say no file found

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Guest53783:

oh how do i do that?

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Guest53783:

don't think i did

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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Guest53783:

k ill go look at that

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Guest53783:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

specifically 2.3: Scanning for Videos

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Guest53783:

is there a list of key bindings? I don't have remote so i need to know the "menu" button

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wagnerrp:

'm'

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Guest53783:

cool thanks

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Guest53783:

cool it worked, now I just have to figure out how to get the thumbnails and meta data downloaded for each video

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drindt:

i would like to build in the rtc wakup in my box, someone can please point me to a document? thanks

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drindt:

found thanks.

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justinh:

oh boy. there isn't half some twaddle posted on mythtvtalk.com

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justinh:

this time somebody is prattling on about how having a faster FSB will improve the capacity of a DVR

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AndyCap:

justinh: the capacity for longer vpenis?

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AndyCap:

justinh: ah, the capacity for http://www.mythtvtalk.com/boinc/

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justinh:

always found that ironic. save the planet by maxxing out your computer's power consumption

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AndyCap:

Let's conservate!

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john____:

Hi, I have a problem with a mythtv laptop I have no longer shutting down cleanly, I suspect this is probably a driver related bug, the details are at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/609946, but I haven't heard anything from there. Any help?

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henkpoley:

john____: personally I would contact the person mentioned in the driver source

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oobe:

lol why do people assume that this channel is to support any issue vagely related to a mythtv distro even though it has nothing to do with mythtv

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henkpoley:

oobe: because there are more people in here who use recording hardware than in other channels, thank you very much]

[07:25:03]

oobe:

that has more to do with mythtv than a laptop with mythbuntu installed that wont shutdown properly

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henkpoley:

oobe: read the bug report, it's for a specific USB (dvb?) dongle driver

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gbee:

justinh: despite it's faults, stuff like this makes me glad to be with Virgin – http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/4849500 . . . eeds_464.gif

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oobe:

I mean i have seen ppl ask for hardware help here for tv cards and get refered elsewhere thats not really unfair but i dont mind them asking and if i can help them i do

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oobe:

gbee, do you guys use adsl2

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oobe:

mostly

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oobe:

or are these cable plans

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gbee:

everything on that list is ADSL, except for Virgin which is cable

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oobe:

hmm

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oobe:

i dont know the average here but my experience has always been much better than that with adsl2

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oobe:

mind you most of our plans are advertised up to 24Mbits but yeald and average of 8–10Mbits

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gbee:

yeah, that's the point of the graphic and the survey data which was behind it, ADSL averages less than half the promised speed, Cable averages 86–90%

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gbee:

in fact my cable regularly achieves something like 99%

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oobe:

thats awesome

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oobe:

do you guys have unlimited plans

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gbee:

not anymore, they used to offer them but couldn't really match that promise, Virgin rate cap after you hit a certain threshold in any 4 hour period, the others do similar

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gbee:

Sky claims not to cap, but that's almost certainly a half truth, they probably perform traffic shaping like everyone else

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oobe:

hmm that sounds a lot different to what we have

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oobe:

we get a monthly cap

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oobe:

how long does the cap last for if you exceed your 4 hour limit?\

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oobe:

is it in 4 hr blocks

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gbee:

the Virgin cap only lasts for the remainder of the period, so after ~4 hours you are back to full speed (think it's restricted to between 50–75% before then)

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oobe:

Current Billing Period: Ends: 11 Aug 2010

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oobe:

Usage Charges: $0.00

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oobe:

Peak Downloads used: 25043.071 MB

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oobe:

Off-Peak Downloads used: 73073.171 MB

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oobe:

that sounds awesome

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oobe:

i get capped to 2Mbit once i use my qouta's but most isp's are heaps stingy

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oobe:

and cap people to as low as 64Kbits

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gbee:

actually I've just checked and it's 5 hours, not 4, and there are two different rates for daytime/evening, on my package the daytime limit is 3GB and the evening is 1.5GB, it's throttled to 75% (7.5Mbps)

[07:46:10]

gbee:

actually I've got that wrong, it's thottled _by_ 75%, so 2.5Mbps

[07:46:29]

oobe:

oh that isnt as good but its still pretty decent

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gbee:

I only hit those limits when downloading DVD ISOs for a distro a couple of times a year

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

i use a lot of bandwidth

[07:47:26]

oobe:

and actually try to get as much as i can out of my plan

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oobe:

since i signed up to this plan i get about 300GB per month

[07:48:50]

oobe:

so its possible im better off with australian isp's

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gbee:

there are no limits at all between 9pm and 10am

[07:49:03]

oobe:

oh

[07:49:11]

oobe:

then i gest

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Jay2k1:

you guys should come to germany :>

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oobe:

do you guys have unlimited 100Mbit lines for 8 euros per month?

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gbee:

table explaining the caps is here – http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html (I'm on the L package) and they don't actually have a lower package anymore, S+M don't exist

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Jay2k1:

adsl2+ up to 16mbit/s, vdsl up to 50mbit/s, cable up to 100mbit/s, and no such thing as capping

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oobe:

sounds cool

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oobe:

that will probably change though Jay2k1

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Jay2k1:

unlimited plans are the standard

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justinh:

I know enough people who use ADSL to make me always use cable as long as I can :)

[07:52:20]

oobe:

i used to get angry at isps for not being unlimited but bandwidth is becoming unsustainable

[07:52:28]

Jay2k1:

although 1 or 2 providers got famous when they sent out letters in which they promised 100 eur when you'd cancel the contract and change the ISP

[07:52:35]

Jay2k1:

they sent these letters to heavy filesharers

[07:52:42]

Jay2k1:

who caused a few hundred GB per month

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justinh:

dang right too. blimmin leeches

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Jay2k1:

apparently, they misunderstood the meaning of "unlimited" in "unlimited plan"

[07:53:11]

Jay2k1:

in germany they call it "flatrate"

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justinh:

and they always say "muhhh, game demos & linux distros"

[07:53:24]

Jay2k1:

doesn't matter

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justinh:

and you know what.. I NEVER believe that schtick

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Jay2k1:

if they say it's unlimited, it totally doesn't matter what you use the bandwidth for

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xand:

justinh: so you get your own subnet with cable do you?

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Jay2k1:

you pay for it and they grant you unlimited usage

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justinh:

heh no

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xand:

I'd never switch to cable

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xand:

i might get it in addition to adsl though

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justinh:

ADSL peeps don't get their own subnet either, generally

[07:54:18]

Jay2k1:

here at the company we have 100 mbit/s synchronous (!) fiber

[07:54:22]

Jay2k1:

man THAT is some fun

[07:54:26]

wagnerrp:

xand: you get your own /32 subnet

[07:54:32]

Jay2k1:

hahaha

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gbee:

as far as I know, except for Korea et al, every other country has ultimately had to bring caps into force so expect it to happen in Germany too

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xand:

my ISP gives /29 as standard

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oobe:

thats crazy

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justinh:

some ISPs offer static IPs & a decent subnet but you have to pay £££

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Jay2k1:

indeed

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Jay2k1:

here in germany, at least the

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xand:

it's £35/month but hardly expensive really

[07:55:27]

justinh:

besides if I was running a server a business relied on I doubt I'd even consider ADSL

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Jay2k1:

the *dsl are bound to dynamic ip which changes every 24hrs

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Jay2k1:

and upstream is very limited

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xand:

this isn't for business

[07:55:49]

Jay2k1:

indeed

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gbee:

ISPs gambled that the number of people actually using their bandwidth would be cancelled out by a majority who only checked their emails once a week – they lost that bet

[07:56:04]

Jay2k1:

exactly

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oobe:

most ppl dont need multiple ips and to give them out like lollies when the is an inevitable shortage is insane

[07:56:22]

xand:

yes, this ISP is mainly geek only so not a huge issue

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Jay2k1:

as a consequence to that, gbee, the service level dropped highly

[07:56:55]

Jay2k1:

as long as everything works its ok, but if you encounter a problem... good luck

[07:56:56]

Jay2k1:

heh

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Jay2k1:

was the only way how to keep up with the traffic while maintaining their prices

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justinh:

talk talk – the Freeserve of ADSL

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gbee:

Virgin IPs are mostly static, I've had this one for around 6 months now

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justinh:

I've not had an IP change for a very long time.. maybe since I got my cable modem

[07:58:47]

oobe:

I have the same ip after changing plans several times

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gbee:

justinh: my only changes if my modem is off for a few hours or more, so the last time that happened was when I redecorated

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gbee:

s/my/mine/

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jduggan:

mine stays static for as long as the modem stays on, i can unplug it for a few minutes, but after being off for an hour or two i get a new lease

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justinh:

heh

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oobe:

so really then its not static

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jduggan:

no, its just sticky

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oobe:

it just renews the lease on the same ip if you dont dc

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justinh:

gbee: I'm also on the lowest tarrif virgin offer. we asked them to downgrade us but they couldn't, so we got £24 a month knocked off the bill

[08:00:04]

justinh:

oops £14

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jduggan:

virgins deals are crazy sometimes, i asked them to drop off the phone line because i wasnt using it – they said if they took it off my bills would be more

[08:00:45]

gbee:

oobe: hence 'mostly static', guess you could call it 'semi static', since the connection is 24/7 it's pretty much the same thing as a static IP

[08:00:46]

oobe:

what key combo do you use for £ symbol

[08:00:55]

justinh:

used to work with a guy who could fill a HDD a week, and he *whined* about being capped

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jduggan:

because its no longer part of a bundle

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justinh:

oobe: shift 3 ;-)

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oobe:

gbee, yea well if your hosting a site then its much of a muchness

[08:01:23]

jduggan:

i wouldnt host a site off a cable modem :P

[08:01:32]

oobe:

but if you tell a net tech its static he would be confuzzled

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gbee:

oobe: no special key combo, UK keyboards have it above '3'

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oobe:

oh

[08:02:10]

oobe:

he have #

[08:02:21]

gbee:

€ is Alt-Gr + Shift + 4

[08:02:43]

gbee:

# is below ~ on the RHS of the keyboard

[08:02:51]

wagnerrp:

seems somehow, somewhere along the line, i broke file transfers in the python bindings

[08:02:57]

gbee:

next to @ and '

[08:03:29]

gbee:

wagnerrp: clear your desk

[08:04:24]

wagnerrp:

its odd, some kind of race condition on a single threaded process

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gbee:

huh?

[08:05:12]

wagnerrp:

exactly

[08:05:23]

wagnerrp:

meaning, 'im completely baffled and have no idea whats causing it'

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gbee:

when that happens it's usually something simple and blindingly obvious

[08:07:40]

wagnerrp:

well i know /what/ caused it, its all this complex socket code i put together to properly timeout connections

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt be possible that im pulling data too fast for the backend to keep up, should it?

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gbee:

couldn't say, the protocol isn't my area

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justinh:

rrrrrr. feeling a bit frazzled today

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justinh:

gonna be a stubborn little bugger just like his dad

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wagnerrp:

i think i figured it out

[09:37:04]

wagnerrp:

the backend is stalling on my data request

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wagnerrp:

so i time out, and retry

[09:37:38]

wagnerrp:

in the meantime, the backend has caught back up, and responded after ive given up hope from a response

[09:38:02]

wagnerrp:

so im pulling responses off the socket for the previous command

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wagnerrp:

i need to flush the input before pulling data

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drindt:

after waking up my box from s3 the display doesn't enable himself, someone has a hint for me?

[09:41:58]

wagnerrp:

tell your suspend program that it needs to POST the video card

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wagnerrp:

http://tr.opensuse.org/S2ram#Useful_hints

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drindt:

wagnerrp: thanks

[09:49:16]

wagnerrp:

HAH

[09:49:25]

** wagnerrp just found a bug in the python interpreter **

[09:50:12]

wagnerrp:

normally there are runtime recursion limits, to prevent getting yourself caught in an endless loop

[09:50:35]

wagnerrp:

but when youre exiting, errors are ignored, and it keeps operating

[09:51:21]

wagnerrp:

i managed to get a recursive loop set up in the class destructor in such a manner that it would have run until it filled the stack

[09:58:00]

wagnerrp:

that fixed it, file transfers are working again...

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Nidhoegger:

hi, i have massice problems with mkv on the internal player, so i changed the player to xine. every file gets now opened with xine, except for ogm and mkv files. what do i do wrong?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you have alternate players defined specifically for the mkv and ogm extensions

[10:01:18]

Nidhoegger:

i didnt config anything in the alternate players, just switched the normal player to xine

[10:01:23]

wagnerrp:

what kind of problems were you having?

[10:01:25]

gbee:

Nidhoegger: you've filed a ticket right?

[10:02:25]

wagnerrp:

woo! md5s check out fine

[10:02:28]

Nidhoegger:

no i didnt

[10:02:39]

** gbee imagines that people will scream murder when we drop support for external players simply because they never bothered to report the bugs in the internal player **

[10:03:29]

Nidhoegger:

gbee last time ive asked about issues with internal players and mkv (h264) files i was told my CPU (P4) is too crappy

[10:03:30]

wagnerrp:

Nidhoegger: most if not all external player support will be dropped in the not-too-distant future, we would rather help you get those files working with Internal

[10:03:41]

wagnerrp:

what bitrate?

[10:03:50]

wagnerrp:

what clockrate?

[10:05:34]

Nidhoegger:

i just can tell you its H264 codec and 30FPS

[10:05:43]

Nidhoegger:

totem says bitrate: k.A.

[10:05:46]

wagnerrp:

you can divide, right?

[10:06:12]

wagnerrp:

basic kindergarten level arithmetic

[10:06:34]

wagnerrp:

(file size)/(file duration)

[10:09:11]

gbee:

or ffmpeg -i {filename}

[10:11:18]

justinh:

if you have enough grunt to play a file with one program but not another, there's a good chance you have enough CPU for the job – and maybe you've just not configured mythtv appropriately. Not that anybody really enjoys messing with video playback profiles

[10:12:12]

wagnerrp:

or the one program is marginally capable of playback, and the other has a slight bit more overhead

[10:12:15]

justinh:

lazy man's solution would be to have a slider for that :)

[10:12:16]

Nidhoegger:

i dont thionk that filesize/fileduration will do

[10:12:26]

Nidhoegger:

because it has more than one language stream in it

[10:12:28]

justinh:

it'll get you the bitrate

[10:12:31]

justinh:

pah

[10:12:35]

justinh:

it'll be near enough

[10:12:42]

justinh:

video takes up way more room than audio

[10:12:59]

Nidhoegger:

Duration: 00:23:37.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: N/A

[10:12:59]

Nidhoegger:

Stream #0.0: Video: h264, yuv420p, 848x480, PAR 171:170 DAR 3021:1700, 23.98 tbr, 1k tbn, 59.94 tbc

[10:13:14]

justinh:

no bitrate? ouch

[10:13:25]

wagnerrp:

and your clockrate too

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Nidhoegger:

i can demux it ive you want and check that file for the Bitrate

[10:14:27]

Nidhoegger:

no, doesnt give the information

[10:14:33]

justinh:

I keep saying this one in here too.. and just cos one program plays it fine, doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with the file

[10:14:35]

wagnerrp:

how large is the file?

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wagnerrp:

in bytes

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Nidhoegger:

275580

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wagnerrp:

clearly its larger than that

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justinh:

275k? lol

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Nidhoegger:

thats what ls -s tells me

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wagnerrp:

what audio codec?

[10:16:26]

Nidhoegger:

aac

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gbee:

apparently I'm a jerk for flat-refusing to replace libmythui with an all HTML UI

[10:17:22]

gbee:

well maybe I am!

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AndyCap:

is I'll-replace-mythtv-with-perl-guy back?

[10:17:27]

justinh:

gbee: awww. I was looking forward to having an entirely flash-driven UI – with animated parts which aren't synced to vblank so they can tear as much as flash video playback

[10:17:42]

wagnerrp:

clearly all your years of hard work was in vain

[10:17:51]

wagnerrp:

you could have done it with five minutes and a web browser

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justinh:

tell me where he lives & he can GDIAF

[10:17:58]

wagnerrp:

you should just give up and kill yourself

[10:18:07]

AndyCap:

justinh: isn't that illegal?

[10:18:52]

justinh:

one of the mythbuntu-ites went off the deep end when I said "yeah go on, pee all over the mythui work" on him showing off a clutter interface thing

[10:18:54]

gbee:

there are so many things wrong with the idea of an html+javascript UI, but if I have to explain them then I already know I'd be wasting my breath

[10:19:36]

justinh:

it's all very well people coming along at a late stage saying all this but none of it will help anyone

[10:19:46]

justinh:

where the hell were they BEFORE?

[10:19:47]

wagnerrp:

Nidhoegger: so your file is ~1550kbps, and considering two AAC streams, and overhead, the video is likely ~1280kbps

[10:19:48]

larrikin:

so much angst, so little popcorn.

[10:20:08]

justinh:

AndyCap: illegal, sure but they have to catch you

[10:20:27]

wagnerrp:

any P4 system new enough to be using DDR (instead of RDR) should have plenty of power to decode that

[10:20:35]

wagnerrp:

you could probably get by on a late model P3

[10:20:53]

AndyCap:

MythTV Current Release: MythTV 0.21. O_o

[10:21:07]

justinh:

AndyCap: you looking at mythtvtalk.com again?

[10:21:23]

AndyCap:

justinh: well, not again, first time really

[10:21:32]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: well you know... thats the last version that matters

[10:21:43]

justinh:

gbee: just looked in the other channel. prometh.. I remember that nick

[10:21:43]

wagnerrp:

the last one with 3rd party patches for softcams anyway... :P

[10:21:52]

AndyCap:

cool, suddenly I'm running trunk

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wagnerrp:

!seen prometh

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MythLogBot:

prometh has not been seen here

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justinh:

huh? since ever?

[10:22:31]

wagnerrp:

since the last 5 years or so beirdo has been logging

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gbee:

!seen MythLogBot

[10:22:35]

MythLogBot:

MythLogBot is here and has been idle for 35 seconds

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AndyCap:

hopefully mythui goodness won't kill my frontend. :P go go gadget upgrade.

[10:27:55]

justinh:

definitely rings a bell though. maybe worth a look in the grebs logs

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justinh:

you don't forget a nick like pro meth

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** AndyCap goes to change his nick before the police arrives **

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justinh:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-01-13

[10:29:43]

justinh:

and lookey there... same old same old

[10:33:23]

justinh:

lol http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prometh

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AndyCap:

hehe

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AndyCap:

Is there any function in 0.23 that deletes orphaned recorded files?

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wagnerrp:

same one that existed prior to 0.23

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drindt:

my system doesnt go into s3 because mysql is blocking it, how can i setup that mysql stop and start when s3 and resume?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ok. so no built in surprises then. got a few that I haven't cleaned up and moved yet.

[10:48:22]

wagnerrp:

how could mysql block S3?

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wagnerrp:

the most it could do is have some open network sockets, and thats not enough to do it

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justinh:

we should have a '24' day here sometime. resort to 'helping' people with their problems by talking in '24 tech speak'

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justinh:

oh man, you can't just link into the main trunk like that, it could burn out the whole system..etc

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wagnerrp:

if you dont get that show recorded, this cute bunny will kill the president

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manuel_:

hi guys i have installed mythtv (front and backend ) on my Ubuntu 10.4 x64. The TV-Card is installed and i "found" channels but i when i want to watch TV there is only for a few seconds a loading screen and then im back in the main menu. Have somebody the same Problem?

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs for an error

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justinh:

manuel_: it's not really about who has the same problem. it's about what's going wrong on your system. you need to examine your logs

[11:00:31]

manuel_:

<justinh> where i can find the mythtv logs?

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justinh:

usually /var/log/mythtv

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justinh:

and PLEASE do not paste any log output into the channel. Use pastebin.ca

[11:02:16]

justinh:

put the whole log there if you want. try not to pick & choose parts yourself :)

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manuel_:

i use pastebin all the time :) front and backend?

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wagnerrp:

just backend for now

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justinh:

sorry if I seemed patronising, but we get people pasting whole logs here

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manuel_:

http://pastebin.ca/1909348

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justinh:

that's fine if they get autokicked by the server for flooding but not if their IRC client has flood protection

[11:04:46]

justinh:

MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.

[11:05:22]

wagnerrp:

you went through all the steps in mythtv-setup?

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justinh:

ah wait.. that must've been fixed later on

[11:05:40]

wagnerrp:

added a card, added a source, mapped the source to an input on the card, scanned the source using the card?

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manuel_:

mhh strange the card ist installed corretly and i find it in the backend

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kormoc:

Mmm.... Felicia Day will be on Eureka!

[11:06:02]

manuel_:

yes i done the hole thing

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wagnerrp:

looks like you never set a default channel

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kormoc:

Gogo syfy

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manuel_:

i just looked into the backend tv-card ist still there and the source etc are still there too

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wagnerrp:

a mathematician and concert violinist? an actor with some real skill!

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justinh:

not necessarily at acting though;)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, are you saying you haven't run into her before?

[11:10:05]

wagnerrp:

ive seen a couple shows with her in it, but no, i dont remember her

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kormoc:

Fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

You should go watch Dr. Horrible

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wagnerrp:

there she is, math professor in an episode of House

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manuel_:

<wagnerrp> how can i set a default channel? found nothing with google

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv setup, step 4

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manuel_:

okey default channel ist configured but still the same problem

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manuel_:

here the frontendlogs http://pastebin.ca/1909361

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AndyCap:

Well, upgrading to 0.23 was fairly painless

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wagnerrp:

i think someone just found a random list of languages online, http://translationindia.com/language-klingon.html

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henkpoley:

Maybe I should call them over skype

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henkpoley:

About a 114 page technical document about Transporter Technology

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wagnerrp:

claim you need a proof of competency before you can hire them

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henkpoley:

Send them "Have you ever been as far as even considered go want to do look more like?" to translate

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

so someone replies to the UPnP client request... he says that the user agent isn't logged by the backend...

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Beirdo:

but the log he shows clearly shows... no capture cards configured... and failed to bind to the port

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Beirdo:

how about you try again with a WORKING backend setup, silly!

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sphery:

oh, you wanted logs of properly set up systems?

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sphery:

you need to remember all the details when asking...

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Beirdo:

hehe

[13:30:37]

Beirdo:

pretty sure the clients require the backend to be listening to the port, and not exited :)

[13:30:59]

Beirdo:

que estupido

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sphery:

That's bad design. I should be able to shut down the program so I can reuse the port elsewhere or so I don't have to open it up on my firewall.

[13:31:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

and it should still work, even exited

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Beirdo:

next time I'll ask for a tcpdump -s0 port 6544 (or whichever)

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Beirdo:

jeez

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

I so love working with the clue-resistant

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Beirdo:

hmmm, need more shows to record

[13:35:59]

Beirdo:

I'm down to the MLB Home Run Derby and All Star Game

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AndyCap:

Hmm, with a little metadata my mythvideo is so amazingly beautiful now. :) Thank you guys

[13:43:17]

justinh:

heh it even sold me on the virtues of cover art

[13:43:37]

justinh:

I've even got it in my recordings now

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AndyCap:

got me smiling from ear to ear.

[13:47:39]

justinh:

just a pity there's no button to get rid of all the text sometimes

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justinh:

some of the fan art is *very* nice – too good to plaster text all over :)

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justinh:

but then I don't think mythtv really needs yet another keybinding. SHOWBACKGROUNDIMAGE

[13:51:18]

AndyCap:

Heh, probably not.

[13:51:28]

AndyCap:

idle timer. :P

[13:51:43]

justinh:

sigh. more settings :-( ;-)

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AndyCap:

some times I think the gnome anti settings fascists are on to something, and boom suddenly a setting I was depending on was gone

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AndyCap:

and with the wrong default. :P

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justinh:

like the new ubuntu theme layout?

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AndyCap:

can't say I'm familiar with ubuntu

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Beirdo:

justinh: I think it DOES need another key binding :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

kormoc: Just thought I'd mention that your HDDs are on sale for $30 off until Aug 2 with today's promo code. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136579 (making them $269.99)

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Beirdo:

as long as it works with my remote

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sphery:

AndyCap: which setting? or did you mean a GNOME setting?

[14:08:31]

justinh:

Beirdo: okay – yeah then – but only to grind the gears of the 6-button remote advocates :D

[14:08:36]

AndyCap:

sphery: gnome.

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Beirdo:

hundreds of channels... and nothing worthy of recording

[14:09:03]

Beirdo:

justinh: I would love to have a "show artwork" type of thing

[14:09:14]

wagnerrp:

who is this TylerT, and why is he complaining that 'NFSRoot is hard', while running MythTV on an ARM

[14:09:22]

justinh:

look! my one button iRemote (tm). It has 255 different functions – you simply hold the button down for different lengths of time

[14:09:31]

sphery:

AndyCap: oh, ok... I didn't think any of our recent removals would have been anything anyone "was depending on"

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justinh:

sphery: and here were we thinking you guys just did it to annoy folks

[14:10:13]

Beirdo:

justinh: use morse code on yer one-button remote :)

[14:10:26]

sphery:

justinh: well, sometimes :)

[14:10:43]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: he needs a LART

[14:10:48]

Beirdo:

wanna borrow the trout?

[14:11:04]

wagnerrp:

LART?

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kormoc:

sphery, ooh... so tempting...

[14:11:14]

sphery:

Beirdo: oh, you so have to make a morse driver for LIRC

[14:11:15]

AndyCap:

luser attitude readjustment tool?

[14:11:16]

justinh:

Beirdo: then we'll have to rename keybindings to dah dit dit dah etc ;-)

[14:11:23]

Beirdo:

LART = luser attitude readjustment tool

[14:11:29]

sphery:

kormoc: we can split the $90 you save 50/50... ;)

[14:13:56]

sphery:

Beirdo: begin codes\npower .--. --- .-- . .-.

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Beirdo:

hehe

[14:14:12]

sphery:

I think you're on to something here

[14:15:04]

kormoc:

$809.97...

[14:15:55]

sphery:

For $809.97, I would get 16TB of me-quality HDDs :)

[14:16:41]

Beirdo:

whaaaaa?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, 3x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136579

[14:17:06]

sphery:

kormoc is looking at some WD Black 2TB drives

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Beirdo:

UserAgent=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; UPnP/1.0; Windows NT/5.1)

[14:17:20]

kormoc:

sphery, one step above blacks :)

[14:17:22]

sphery:

Beirdo: nice... a windows client

[14:17:25]

wagnerrp:

im happy with my 4TB (for now)

[14:17:30]

Beirdo:

since WHEN did Mozilla do UPnP?

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, so double diamond blacks?

[14:17:47]

Beirdo:

UserAgent=Microsoft-Windows/6.1 UPnP/1.0 Windows-Media-Player-DMS/12.0.7600.16385 DLNADOC/1.50

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kormoc:

sphery, Enterprise level

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Beirdo:

WMP... heheh

[14:18:36]

Beirdo:

turns out the dude tried to run the backend... without shutting it down first

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Beirdo:

*BONK*

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** wagnerrp wonders what the perl/python bindings appear as **

[14:20:03]

Beirdo:

dunno :)

[14:20:15]

Beirdo:

probably says MythTV somewhere in there though

[14:22:58]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you ever heard of djmount?

[14:23:28]

Beirdo:

sounds like a FUSE-based UPnP AV client...

[14:23:38]

Beirdo:

lets you mount as a filesystem under Linux

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wagnerrp:

something like that

[14:23:48]

wagnerrp:

heard of it, never used it

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Beirdo:

sounds interesting.

[14:24:04]

Beirdo:

not that I need it

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sphery:

kormoc: BTW, on the long-check-time for your InnoDB tables (translating into a long startup time for master backend/mythtv-setup with the check), do you have any recommendations? Just don't do checks of InnoDB (or maybe not-MyISAM) tables?

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sphery:

or (I hope) a better idea?

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Beirdo:

sphery: or can you do it in a separate thread and let the backend come up while it's checking?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, tables are locked, so no db access

[14:25:13]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:25:19]

Beirdo:

yeah, that won't work too well

[14:25:26]

sphery:

the whole reason I was ok with putting this in place was because at the time the mbe is starting, no one should be using the DB

[14:25:34]

Beirdo:

I need more coffee, that was just too obvious

[14:25:36]

sphery:

plus, yeah, the tables will get locked

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kormoc:

sphery, it's likely best to not do it at all, reading up on it a bit, it's really not useful for innodb

[14:25:56]

sphery:

so not at all for innodb?

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Beirdo:

it took just over a minute on my backend last night

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kormoc:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: unless youre doing WOL

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sphery:

Beirdo: you're using InnoDB?

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Beirdo:

I was wondering WHY the backend wouldn't come up...

[14:26:21]

Beirdo:

not sure off hand

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kormoc:

sphery, you're querying on information_schema.tables, right?

[14:26:33]

Beirdo:

I didn't mess with it, so whatever's default

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Beirdo:

and then poof, the check finished and up it came :)

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kormoc:

sphery, if so, just put a WHERE INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.ENGINE = "MyISAM"

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sphery:

wagnerrp: until the MBE is started, no other myth client (or remote backend) can talk to the mbe, so it will just be small accesses (like looking up ip addresses and stuff)

[14:27:09]

Beirdo:

I was restarting to use #6611/#6719 patches

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, I'll have to add some criteria for GetTables()

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kormoc:

Heh, so for innodb, a check table checks the adaptive hash for each table, so it scanned my adaptive hash 102 times.... that ate up a lot of the time

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sphery:

Beirdo: can you query? (Assuming you're logged into/using your mythconverg DB) SELECT INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_NAME, INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.ENGINE FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES WHERE INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA = DATABASE();

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Beirdo:

one sec

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sphery:

because if it's a minute on your system with myisam, we have a problem

[14:31:39]

Beirdo:

everything is MyISAM except the three weather tables

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sphery:

kormoc: 5.5 changes the default to InnoDB (or variant), right? 5.0 and 5.1 are still MyISAM, IIRC.

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec.

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sphery:

Beirdo: is this a low-spec CPU (or toy, like Atom ;)

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Beirdo:

Pentium-D

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sphery:

for the mysql host, that is

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sphery:

hmmm... that shouldn't be slow

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec, trying to see if the log messages are still there, or if the scrollback ate em

[14:33:16]

kormoc:

sphery, correct

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Beirdo:

dang, gone

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wagnerrp:

could i offload my mysql database to a linode? then would i be able to run my backend on a 'toy' computer?

[14:33:44]

Beirdo:

stupid h264 decode error spam

[14:34:10]

sphery:

the check takes 2.24s on my Athlon II X2 250 (Regor 3GHz)

[14:34:15]

Beirdo:

I'll bounce it in a bit, it's actually recording right now

[14:34:28]

Beirdo:

I found ONE show that might be interesting.

[14:34:34]

Beirdo:

heh. Eureka

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sphery:

so I expected up to maybe 10s on an older-spec Athlon XP or P4 type system.

[14:35:01]

Beirdo:

got like 260 channels or something... and ONE flippin show of interest

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kormoc:

it's all disk-io really

[14:35:28]

Beirdo:

well, after noon, I can try again, see how it goes

[14:35:39]

Beirdo:

I don't save logs to a file, although I should

[14:35:43]

sphery:

so what would cause his to be a minute with myisam...

[14:35:57]

Beirdo:

let's see if it's repeatable

[14:36:07]

sphery:

maybe if he had never done a check?

[14:36:15]

Beirdo:

I hadn't for quite some time

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sphery:

do you run optimize_mythdb.pl on a cron?

[14:36:19]

Beirdo:

nope

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kormoc:

shouldn't matter, it's just io

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sphery:

hmmm... wonder if that changes it

[14:36:28]

sphery:

hmmm....

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sphery:

maybe it's the "performance optimizations" done by his distro.

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sphery:

Seems distros love to mes^H^H^Himprove MySQL default configuration.

[14:37:32]

sphery:

after all, why use the example configs shipped by the guys who write the mysql code...

[14:37:48]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, what do they know?

[14:38:05]

sphery:

:)

[14:38:43]

Beirdo:

why is mythfrontend (idling!) using 57% CPU?!

[14:39:07]

Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

now it's using 0%. I killed it

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justinh:

Beirdo: you got the version crossed with xbmc?

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Beirdo:

it was sitting at the recordings list, IIRC

[14:39:44]

justinh:

that text scroller at the bottom really hogs with all the redrawing

[14:39:48]

sphery:

an idle frontend is the <insert evil religious icon>'s playground

[14:40:08]

Beirdo:

is GW Bush's playground?

[14:40:11]

sphery:

so Watch Recordings?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

wonder what you'd get if you revert the "don't use QTimer, make our own" changesets

[14:41:10]

Beirdo:

it might have been some sort of bogon, but something to look into later

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sphery:

if it keeps recurring, please let me know and I'll give you a patch that I'd love for you to try

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Beirdo:

sure

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justinh:

hmm text scroller. reminds me of something else mythui I'd love to try

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gbee:

hmm, slipping animated gif support in is not going to be easy

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kormoc:

if only we would have used webkit... :P

[14:45:34]

Beirdo:

yeah, I realize.

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sphery:

kormoc: jerk

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** sphery waits for a ban **

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justinh:

even separating all the slices into an imagetype effort?

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Beirdo:

gbee: what I'd be looking for would be to extract the frames into the current "animated" structure

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Beirdo:

past that, we can change later

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sphery:

for all who are reading, I don't think kormoc is a jerk... it was a reference

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kormoc:

indeed

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Beirdo:

I would be handing you the gif as an image, and the code would see that it's multi-frame and extract it or soemthing like that

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kormoc:

although not as funny as the animated flames guy, but a close second

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gbee:

justinh: it's down to the way we currently load images, doing it properly means a refactor, doing it improperly involves some hacks

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justinh:

ouchies

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Beirdo:

I don't care about maintaining the internal timings, BTW

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sphery:

kormoc: true... and I'm sure that Flash could have done animated GIFs, too

[14:47:39]

Beirdo:

at least not for weather maps

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justinh:

I spose doing mythweather pages as webkit objects is off the menu ;)

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gbee:

eww

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android60:

Ive been looking at hvr 1600 1183 but am seeing mixed reviews about analog quality. Does anyone here have experience with it?

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justinh:

android60: IMHO the only cards to ever get shining reviews about their analogue capture quality never even worked in linux ;)

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Beirdo:

justinh: don't make me slap you :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

IMHO, the problem with analog capture quality is not so much the capture devices

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gbee:

let me meditate on it, it's a lot less hacky if we don't mind opening the file multiple times, i.e. trade speed for simplicity

[14:49:59]

sphery:

(i.e. analog quality itself is the problem)

[14:50:14]

Beirdo:

gbee: OK, I'll leave it in your fine hands

[14:50:23]

justinh:

how many frames would you be talking about anyway? mythui is no slouch at loading images IMHO

[14:50:31]

Beirdo:

I will be using the NetworkCache stuff that Captain_Murdoch added anyways

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android60:

sphery: thats what ive been thinking about a lot of the reviews ive been reading is maybe some dont even have decent signal strength

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Beirdo:

justinh: 5 or 6 usually

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sphery:

android60: plus analog TV standards are, what, 60 years old?

[14:51:16]

sphery:

i.e. you can watch TV just like it's 1950

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justinh:

android60: also depends if you'll be bypassing the tuner. if you do that virtually everything looks nice

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justinh:

I have some old recordings from my pvr150 which look virtually indistinguishable from digital tv

[14:51:58]

Beirdo:

well, 1950 would be black & whit

[14:52:03]

Beirdo:

maybe 1960? :)

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sphery:

I think color went live in 1953 or something

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sphery:

so I rounded up

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

didn't get colour here til the early 70s

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sphery:

wow, it /was/ 1953

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Beirdo:

justinh: sucks to be in the UK, eh?

[14:53:16]

justinh:

the BBC hummed & harred about which system to use for so long ;-)

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sphery:

it's sad that I half-knew that

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justinh:

good thing too, we ended up with PAL :D

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justinh:

Beirdo: I was initially frustrated at the lack of HD here but now I couldn't really care less

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

ooo cool. even with my spiffy animated icons mythfrontend is only supping 4% CPU in the PBB

[14:55:35]

sphery:

justinh: agreed... digital TV--whether SDTV or HDTV--is a huge upgrade from analog. going from digital SDTV to HDTV is a minor change

[14:56:18]

justinh:

sphery: not so much here though. we only ever had at most 5 broadcast analogue channels, which all looked spiffy if you could get a good signal – which on 4 of the 5 channels wasn't hard

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Beirdo:

oooh, 5 channels of crap

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

nah I think there's about the same level of quality now as there was in the 1980s & beyond.. it's just that now it's spread over many more channels

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Beirdo:

more Eastenders?

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justinh:

heh no

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Beirdo:

whew :)

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justinh:

true there are way more soaps these days though

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Beirdo:

could be worse

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Beirdo:

could be all "reality" shows

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Beirdo:

ooooh, recording finished.

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Beirdo:

sphery: time to bounce the backend

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Beirdo:

2010-07–27 12:01:21.279 Checking database tables.

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Beirdo:

2010-07–27 12:01:23.527 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1261

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Beirdo:

2s that time

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kormoc:

perhaps it silently fixed something?

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Beirdo:

wonder what the machine was spinning on the other time

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kormoc:

shouldn't have, but there's a chance a index was rebuilt

[15:02:51]

Beirdo:

I guess that's possible

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Beirdo:

I'll keep an eye on it in future restarts

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Beirdo:

and now mythcommflag is off at 101% :)

[15:04:07]

Beirdo:

dual-core FTW

[15:04:47]

Beirdo:

and that's split across the two cores.

[15:04:54]

Beirdo:

they are 40% and 60% idle

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justinh:

hmm did uninstalling ubuntu mythtv packages also take out the cron job which runs JAMU? bah

[15:07:51]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, the 2s seems more like what I'd expect

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sphery:

strange that it was 1min the first time--maybe a DB update with backup?

[15:08:37]

sphery:

thanks for restarting, though

[15:08:52]

sphery:

that means that we should be able to enable it on the list of myisam tables

[15:08:58]

sphery:

I'll do a patch today to limit it

[15:13:22]

sphery:

hmmm... user posted a link to his log files, but I can't get to it... http://192.168.255.13/mythweb/backend_log

[15:13:27]

sphery:

does that work for anyone else ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah dawg, i sees it

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

can you even serve files out from under mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

the rewrite rules dont break thrings?

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sphery:

that page gives the DB log, where the vast majority of debug info never goes to DB logging

[15:15:08]

sphery:

i.e. it's not useful for diagnosing failures

[15:15:42]

wagnerrp:

oh, i rarely used that, so i didnt remember that was the module name

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sphery:

yeah, I think the whole DB logging thing needs done differently

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kormoc:

sphery, it'd be really nice to get the general logger to log into that table

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sphery:

but that's so far down on my TODO list, I don't ever expect to change it

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of a good way to do it

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sphery:

kormoc: exactly--that's what I think needs redone

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wagnerrp:

i had the python logging class optionally log to the database

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wagnerrp:

but i ended up dropping that

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wagnerrp:

as i couldnt see any reasonable use for it

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wagnerrp:

and it complicated things with dependencies

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sphery:

not to mention that if you're logging a ton of stuff, it may be a chokepoint (not just for logging, but for all DB access)

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sphery:

so we'd need some protection against the "writes 1000 libav* log messages per second" issues

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wagnerrp:

theres also the issue that it doesnt mirror how the normal logger functions

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wagnerrp:

the normal logger is filtered by area, while the database logger is filtered by severity

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sphery:

right, but if we were to rewrite it so that it /is/ the normal logger (i.e. one log interface in MythTV)

[15:21:41]

sphery:

which is what kormoc mentioned

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justinh:

hmmm should I have the title, then icons, then rec starttime or should I do it title, starttime then icons?

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wagnerrp:

speaking of the logger, the 'extra' option is not actually used as a category, right?

[15:22:21]

wagnerrp:

its to denote extra verbosity for another category?

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

at least that's how it's supposed to be used

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how to handle that has a logical operator

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wagnerrp:

since right now, im just using a big bitwise field for all categories

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sphery:

there have been a couple of patches submitted where it was used alone, but I don't think anything is currently in trunk that way

[15:23:42]

wagnerrp:

i guess i could just add another check for that

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wagnerrp:

what about 'important'?

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sphery:

Heh, ABC is doing Flightplan one week and then Red Eye the next week for their HDTV movie of the week thing. At least they were smart enough to start their "airline scare" series with the stupid one.

[15:25:09]

sphery:

important is a category to itself

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wagnerrp:

wasnt flightplan in the theaters?

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sphery:

it's kind of akin to "critical" messages

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sphery:

yeah, both were

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sphery:

Flightplan has Jodie Foster (she lost her kid on the plane, but they said she doesn't have one)

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall redeye

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sphery:

Red Eye is Rachel McAdams (who sits next to a stalker/bomber on a plane)

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sphery:

note, though, that's not an airplane bomber, but a guy who wants to bomb her hotel

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justinh:

oh bummer. there's no state for notrecording?

[15:34:29]

justinh:

CBA to split recording & transcoding into 2 statetypes

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justinh:

I mean I know you can't have both at the same time, which is why they're grouped so :)

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justinh:

oh *what* ? from JAMU... ! Warning – Backend speaks version 23056, we speak version 56

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wagnerrp:

yep

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justinh:

I just copied it from mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/blah

[15:45:17]

wagnerrp:

actually, JAMU doesnt care, the python bindings do

[15:45:28]

wagnerrp:

you have a new copy of your bindings than your mythtv install

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justinh:

the install is a checkout of -fixes from yesterday

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wagnerrp:

apparently not

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wagnerrp:

or, you havent restarted your backend

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gbee:

justinh: please add any states etc which you would find useful, assuming that they don't clash with existing behaviour

[15:47:13]

gbee:

justinh: but you might find the 'default' state useful in that particular scenario

[15:47:47]

justinh:

yeah, but in the slim chance someone would like separate icons, with a 'dimmed' view for the inactive state.. is where I was coming from :)

[15:48:09]

justinh:

duh I forgot to remove libmyth-python

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wagnerrp:

oh, right... backwards

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justinh:

so.. with those gone do I just redo make install in the mythtv dir where the checkout is?

[15:48:29]

wagnerrp:

the python bindings are old

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gbee:

justinh: so three icons, with only the relevant icon 'lit up'?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv/bindings/python, make install

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justinh:

gbee: well two per statetype, and split jobstate into two, rec & transcode

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justinh:

I'll put it on my list. def. not in any hurry

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gbee:

so ... <state name="recording"><imagetype name="unlit_transcoding" ... blah ... /><imagetype name="lit_recording" ... blah ... /></state>?

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justinh:

meh what am I saying? isn't it gonna be more confusing to have a dimmed out inactive 'recording' or 'transcoding' icon?

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gbee:

at least if I'm understanding what you are saying, it can be done without modifcations

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justinh:

gbee: I was thinking more like statetype name="recordingstate"> <state name="yes"><foo></> .. etc like some of the other states

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justinh:

there's no fire though. more important things to worry about :)

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gbee:

right, but what does that allow that the status quo doesn't?

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justinh:

oh wait.. so a 'normal' state would be both unlit

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justinh:

being a bit thick lately ;)

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gbee:

normal/default, forget what I called it, but yeah

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justinh:

cool. might help me figure out what to do with the space the icons occupy now

[15:53:49]

justinh:

sitting there between the title & the date they look a bit odd, but then having the text just hanging there not right aligned at the end looks odd if there's no icon too

[15:55:17]

justinh:

they're causing me a bit of a headache when I scale to a 4:3 aspect too

[15:55:29]

justinh:

placement-wise

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wagnerrp:

oh great

[15:56:21]

wagnerrp:

now they want to RAID together a bunch of those 1" microdrives

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justinh:

LOL

[15:57:12]

** kormoc blinks **

[15:57:24]

justinh:

RAID 5 USB stick array ftw!

[15:57:32]

wagnerrp:

the SSD thread on the mailing list

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justinh:

wagnerrp: getting onto the python thing now. multitaskin!

[15:58:23]

justinh:

oh now whut

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justinh:

permission denied writing to /tmp? :-O

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: will SSDs actually improve performance of database small enough to easily fit in system memory?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: that takes skill

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justinh:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/1909574 any ideas? I thought it looked like not being able to write to /tmp-ish

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just writes which we don't do a lot of

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wagnerrp:

justinh: sounds like the file already exists, and is owned by a different user

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justinh:

aye, seems to be the case

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justinh:

messy

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justinh:

whee working again. lovely

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justinh:

ach to heck with it. I'll go with the icons to the right instead. they look too daft in the middle

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justinh:

I might 'finish' this theme one day! lol

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justinh:

looking like my laptop is after another dismantling. lcd backlight is going wonky again

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** wagnerrp 's laptop is still going strong **

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justinh:

how many times have you dropped yours?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

stop being such a klutz?

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wagnerrp:

once i think, a couple feet onto hard tile

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justinh:

easy for you to say. someone cleaned my laptop a while back & they used furniture polish

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wagnerrp:

actually did the thing some good

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justinh:

combine that with low early morning motor skills.. and.. oof

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wagnerrp:

it broke up a clump of dust on the heatsink

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justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

coughed it out the back the next time i started it up

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justinh:

only dropped mine once powered up. the HDD was instant toast

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justinh:

but then.. from the kitchen bench to the tiled floor woulda

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my laptop is before the addition of freefall sensors

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wagnerrp:

well great... ive got code in the python bindings that by all accounts should not install, much less work

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wagnerrp:

and yet... it does

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kormoc:

Whee!

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wagnerrp:

read: no worries, we have goons en route...

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wagnerrp:

why do people try to be coy on the mailing list about pirating content?

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gbee:

deep shame

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wagnerrp:

"ive 'acquired' some HD content"

[16:40:17]

wagnerrp:

why mention it at all?

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wagnerrp:

what good does it do them to 'let us know' that its pirated, but not actually come out and say it

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wagnerrp:

the result is the same, were going to ignore him

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** gbee hits send on the email to the MPAA **

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wagnerrp:

just say 'i transcoded my recordings to h264'... problem solved

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gbee:

wait, we're just ignoring them? ... oops

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wagnerrp:

well, until we ask them what encoding options, and they have no clue

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justinh:

not too shabby I think http://imagebin.ca/img/DQlxRE.png

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justinh:

apart from the actual shows we record ;)

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justinh:

still need to do entirely new icons though

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justinh:

I miss my old desk

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stevieman:

quick question, does anyone know where the config file is located for mythgame? I'm trying to add a system but I cannot remember where that file is.

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wagnerrp:

the database

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jams:

stevieman- are you referring to gamelist.xml

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stevieman:

jams: No where I put the command and the rom path in

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jams:

in that case, you do that through the mythgame settings screen on the frontend

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stevieman:

jams: oh.... right.... um..... wow

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gbee:

re-ripping some CDs and I'm puzzled to notice that a 'Greatest Hits II' has a release date of 1991, but the first 'Greatest Hits" has a release date of 1994

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gbee:

the latter must be a re-release I guess

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stevieman:

Greatest Hits II was so great it actualy came out before Greatest Hits ;)

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sphery:

kormoc: makes me wonder what patch managementboy is/was using to compile on Qt 4.7 (as the one I posted is not good, and would break some stuff)

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kormoc:

heh, yeah

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kormoc:

Perhaps it's a regression with qt 4.6.2 and higher

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** kormoc eyes a file that refuses to be deleted **

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sphery:

I haven't used GL video renderer in ages, so I couldn't say (I'm on Qt 4.6.3)

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sphery:

Then again, maybe mgmtboy had a version compiled on Qt 4.6 or below and upgraded Qt to 4.7 underneath it

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sphery:

which, itself, may cause issues

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kormoc:

Yeah, I've recompiled a few times so I know mine is cleanly compiled

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sphery:

yeah, it was more idle wondering than related to your ticket

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kormoc:

Heh

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kormoc:

Has he popped up before?

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sphery:

I don't know if he hangs out in here

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sphery:

So, I'm trying to decide whether to hurry and get a patch committed for an issue that a user on -users list mentioned before he submits a ticket or to wait for the ticket so I get "credit" for closing a ticket

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

so impress the users or the developers... :P

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kormoc:

you could open a ticket and then close it with your patch, thus getting both sides!

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sphery:

heh, true

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iamlindoro:

mgmtboy is Elkin Fricke

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iamlindoro:

He's written a few... interesting... half-themes

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iamlindoro:

ie menus + PBB and not much else

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sphery:

or just have the term sitting at # svn ci -F ~/commit-msg , then as soon as he submits, hit enter and close the bug in <30s with patch and all

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sphery:

so if that's a half theme, what is a theme that just changes the image or background on a couple of screens or menus

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sphery:

quarter theme?

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iamlindoro:

That's a WHY WON'T THE MYTH DEVS INCLUDE MY THEME IN SVN THE JERKS

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

they need to bribe us better

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sphery:

we should just make a setting for the colors to use in themes

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sphery:

and for the images to use

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sphery:

and for the areas and sizes and locations and fonts and ...

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sphery:

I mean, really, my grandma shouldn't have to edit XML to use MythTV

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justinh:

she won't with my theme

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** sphery wonders if justinh's new theme is called Myxer **

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sphery:

Heh, I opened a ticket and read a comment from a user that I was pretty sure I said... Then I realized it was quoting what I said.

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justinh:

it, being the user?

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sid3windr:

=)

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sphery:

trac is slow today...

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justinh:

sphery: anyway how very dare you! Myxer indeed. Of all the nasty things people have said to me in my life..

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justinh:

;-)

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sphery:

heh, I meant, actually, "it" as "the ticket", but in reality, I suppose it's more precise to say the user was quoting

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sphery:

and, yeah, the Myxer comment was only because I knew it wasn't

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justinh:

I think seeing a screenshot of Myxer was what first inspired me to start hacking xml

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justinh:

it should never be allowed to happen again kinda thing

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AndyCap:

ReMyxer? :P

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justinh:

FyxYoMomma

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sphery:

yeah, the idea of a "theme creator" was cool, but the implementation was, er, incomplete

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

still could do with something along the lines of a theme editor

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justinh:

maybe one day I'll..

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Beirdo:

UrMom?

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sphery:

heh, and IIRC, Myxer was bash, right?

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sphery:

I think it stands to reason that a proper theme creator is not done in bash.

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kormoc:

Bash can do anything! It's turning complete after all

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, sphery, have you guys seen "MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(images/progressbar/progressbar_large_background.png)Unable to find image file" before?

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sphery:

kormoc: I haven't, but I haven't paid much attention to theme stuff recently.

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sphery:

Oh, and I decided not to commit--I'm going to have the user do the testing for me since I can't easily test it myself.

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kormoc:

nice

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kormoc:

I think that for some reason it's not finding subdir things anymore

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gbee:

are you sure it exists?

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kormoc:

yes I am

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sphery:

subdir things in themes?

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gbee:

huh, ok

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sphery:

which theme is this?

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kormoc:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.6K Mar 31 18:04 /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Arclight/images/progressbar/progressbar_large_backgroun d.png

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kormoc:

Arclight

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sphery:

I have a brand-new, up-to-date build, so I can start up the frontend

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kormoc:

all images/progressbar/* is failing

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kormoc:

but images/* work fine

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sphery:

oh, so sub-sub-directories

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kormoc:

yeah, that's what I ment

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kormoc:

oh wait... I might be a dolt

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sphery:

oh, good... I didn't know where I could get a progressbar

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kormoc:

that dir only had +r not +x

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sphery:

seems to be good in the repo, so just a local issue, right?

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sphery:

(I think the Watch Recordings in Arclight may have a progressbar, and if so, I didn't get the error in there.)

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sphery:

technically, even if not, I didn't get the error in there, but if not, that information is useless...

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kormoc:

yeah, it's solved with a a+rx on the progressbar dir

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Luke_Wolf:

Hello, I do computer building and I've got a client who acts like this is a Department of Defense research project always changing up and adding things onto what they're expecting. Can the MythTV software handle 4 tvtuners at a single time? I'm setting up a terminal system here, and they want to have each terminal capable of viewing a different channel...

[20:31:42]

iamlindoro:

Yes, MythTV can handle four tuners-- however, if you are not an extremely, extremely experienced MythTV user, I strongly caution against trying to set it up for anyone else

[20:32:19]

Luke_Wolf:

what can happen?

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iamlindoro:

Configuring MythTV properly is complicated if you know what you are doing-- if you do not know MythTv inside and out, you can and will badly disappoint your client by misconfiguring it, rendering it very unstable, or taking forever and a day to make it work

[20:34:05]

iamlindoro:

Worse yet, you are extremely likely to get it to a point where you think it works, and then spend months and months fixing every little mistake you made as your client uncovers them

[20:34:49]

iamlindoro:

Then, six months from now you will blame MythTV instead of yourself for having having overcommited

[20:35:07]

sphery:

or mistakes made by your client/as your client uses the system

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sphery:

but I agree

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Luke_Wolf:

just great... does anyone have a link to documentation on hand or know of any guides on setting this kind of insanity up?

[20:36:33]

** kormoc ponders if we should use small/tiny ints for a lot of the databas **

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kormoc:

Luke_Wolf, the wiki and the website have plenty of docs. It's not insanity, it's just complex with a steep learning curve

[20:37:51]

kormoc:

I mean do we really need to support 4 billion capture cards out of the box?

[20:38:04]

iamlindoro:

The real trap is that an inexperienced MythTV user/administrator can get to a point where he has beaten himself bloody getting it to work, but has set countless timebombs that will render the system broken in a thousand small and infuriating ways

[20:38:35]

iamlindoro:

like, for example, the admin forgets to tick a single checkbox and two weeks later the system has no listings

[20:38:54]

iamlindoro:

or leaves a box unfilled and the next scan for videos removes the entire library

[20:38:55]

iamlindoro:

etc.

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Luke_Wolf:

kormoc, I was more referring to my client's insistance of going "But can you make it do x"

[20:39:27]

iamlindoro:

or configured the capture cards in the wrong order and LiveTV acts in a manner that confuses the hell out of a client

[20:39:32]

kormoc:

and keep in mind listings are not free and change from time to time, so you'll need to update it

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iamlindoro:

or fails to explain to the client that LiveTV is the wrong way to try to watch TV and thus the client expects liveTV to work like his TV

[20:39:44]

iamlindoro:

etc.

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kormoc:

Luke_Wolf, nah, you just prompted me to see what the current max was (4294967295)

[20:40:47]

Luke_Wolf:

4 trillion.... it can support 4 trillion, who? why?...

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kormoc:

we have a master/slave setup, so you can keep adding as many slaves as you want

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sphery:

kormoc: probably wouldn't hurt, but the benefit is small compared to the work to change it :)

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sphery:

(at least for most of the ints)

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kormoc:

sphery, heh, well.... for indexing it does help (smaller indexes == faster lookups)

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kormoc:

but you're right, likely unnoticeable for most folks

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sphery:

I still have to get the "change text to varchar" patch done

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sphery:

that really wouldn't be very difficult, but I feel I should do #8564 and the backend/frontend orphaned file/metadata management

[20:45:08]

sphery:

maybe I'll sneak the text change in first so it gets wider testing...

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gizmobay:

Device: /dev/sda, ATA error count increased from 960 to 984. Smartctl sent me the prevoius line in an email. Is my hd about to bite the dust?

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wagnerrp:

what does your drive say is the warning barrier?

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gizmobay:

hmm I'm not sure

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gizmobay:

is it in the manual?

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wagnerrp:

i know its in the man page somewhere

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wagnerrp:

probably in the --help string somewhere

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gizmobay:

I see

[21:04:59]

gizmobay:

5 of the 15 say pre-fail the others say old age

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wagnerrp:

thats the type of indicator, not the current state

[21:05:47]

gizmobay:

I see

[21:08:07]

gizmobay:

-H says SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

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kormoc:

is the drive a seagate?

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gizmobay:

yes

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kormoc:

Seagate doesn't support FLOSS smart utilities, you need to use their bootdisk/tools to check the drive

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gizmobay:

okay, I have their disk utility. I'll check with it

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gizmobay:

thanks

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gizmobay:

i must run to check

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gizmobay:

bye

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sphery:

heh, testing a patch made me find a misconfiguration on my system

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sphery:

kormoc: [25448] should make startup bearable, again

[21:58:51]

sphery:

if anyone knew I was watching Dr Doolittle 2 while coding, they would laugh at that comment

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I couldn't remember if I had seen the movie, so I recorded it. Then, after watching an hour and 15 minutes of it, I realized I had seen it, but stopping a movie mid-playback seems wrong

[22:00:49]

Beirdo:

heh, been there

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mudphud:

so...anybody want to step a complete networking noob through streaming mythtv from one ubuntu setup to another on LAN?

[22:17:22]

mudphud:

basically, i would just like to establish one as a server, the other as a client

[22:18:10]

mudphud:

tried to do it with xmbc, but for some reason, can't get it set up. client couldn't find the server, no matter what i tried. completely ignored the LAN address

[22:18:29]

sphery:

mudphud: just set up mythtv on the second system and run mythfrontend

[22:18:44]

mudphud:

second system being the client end?

[22:19:01]

mudphud:

mythtv backend on the server?

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sphery:

mudphud: the mythbackend server /must/ be configured with a real routable IP address and you can not use 127.0.0.1 or localhost /anywhere/ in the mythtv configuration

[22:19:11]

sphery:

right, client end = mythfrontend system

[22:19:20]

sphery:

server = mythbackend system

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sphery:

use mythtv-setup to verify that the backend has the proper hostname and IP address...

[22:20:08]

sphery:

if the hostname is incorrect (if it's localhost), you must use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend to change the hostname to the real hostname of the system

[22:20:59]

sphery:

so go into mythtv-setup on the backend system and in General Settings look at IP Address for "Master backend" and "This backend" (which should be the same, but can not be 127.0.0.1--should be the system's real IP)

[22:21:20]

mudphud:

k. gimme a sec. i'll get these installed on the computers. i'm assuming the local ip is okay tho

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sphery:

you can find out what hostname it's using, now by looking at the mythbackend log file... Should say: 2010-07–27 21:48:24.547 Using localhost value of <myhostname>

[22:22:25]

mudphud:

not home ip, the ip assigned by the router

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sphery:

and <myhostname> can't be localhost

[22:22:40]

sphery:

right, real local IP address

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mudphud:

hold on...too fast, lol

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sphery:

and you can't use DHCP

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sphery:

IP address has to be static (so if your router assigns it, make sure you tell the router to always assign the same address)

[22:23:39]

sphery:

i.e. 192.168.0.3 or whatever

[22:25:34]

mudphud:

yeah, hold on. i already goofed something. didn't write down the sql password it gave me, nor the command to edit it, lol

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mzb:

I've just done an update (svn) as I had some issues last night

[23:19:50]

mzb:

but now I've got an issue

[23:19:52]

mzb:

no audio

[23:19:55]

mzb:

AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, params(0,2,44100)

[23:21:16]

mzb:

what am I doing wrong?

[23:21:22]

mzb:

(previously working, of course!)

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kormoc:

we'd need more then that (pastebin)

[23:23:42]

mzb:

yeah ... just trying to confirm that it _is_ mythtv

[23:23:48]

mzb:

speaker-test not working

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mzb:

lol

[23:28:04]

mzb:

master was muted

[23:29:04]

mzb:

ok, now to work out why wminput is giving double key-presses

[23:31:31]

mzb:

OSD has completely changed (theme?)

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kormoc:

OSD's are now part of the theme rather then a separate theme

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wagnerrp:

you know... i used to love this samsung monitor, but now i understand why it was so inexpensive

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wagnerrp:

the backlight is utter crap

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