Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 29th, 2010, 00:02 AST

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** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the cattle prod **

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** wagnerrp prods the nuppel... video player... **

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Beirdo:

owww, my nuppels

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Beirdo:

avformatdecoder.cpp:566: error: âclass MythContextâ has no member named âGetNumSettingâ

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Beirdo:

boom

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Beirdo:

OK, my version of the patch needs some work

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mzb:

hmm, DPMS is going funny

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Beirdo:

OK, that was easy

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Beirdo:

gContext is now gCoreContext

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mzb:

I've got DPMS enabled in xorg.conf, with (for eg) settings in ServerFlags for Option "StandbyTime" "180"

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mzb:

but with the update, that is now not working

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mzb:

and appears to turn the screen off after about 20mins

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mzb:

is there a proper way to set/fix this?

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wagnerrp:

i should try to get standby from the remote working again

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wagnerrp:

it used to work on an old install

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Beirdo:

mzb: update of what?

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wagnerrp:

but for some reason now when i enable Wake-On-USB, the machine will never enter standby

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mzb:

since my update to current trunk yesterday

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mzb:

(it was a month or two old)

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Beirdo:

is that all that was updated?

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mzb:

um ... no, I updated the system recently as well (squeeze)

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

I'd bet that that is a system screensaver issue

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Beirdo:

not even DPMS

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mzb:

don't have one installed

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mzb:

xset -q shows:

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mzb:

Standby: 1200 Suspend: 1800 Off: 2400

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mzb:

DPMS is Enabled

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mzb:

and the frontend log shows various DPMS-related things like:

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mzb:

ScreenSaverX11Private: DPMS Deactivated 1

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Beirdo:

well ya found your 20min

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mzb:

ScreenSaverX11Private: DPMS Reactivated 1

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Beirdo:

OK, heh, I dunno

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mzb:

it's playing atm, and DPMS is enabled

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mzb:

maybe I should _disable_ in xorg and see what happens? ;)

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Beirdo:

heh, might as well

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Beirdo:

my screen saver is the TV's power button

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mzb:

meh :)

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mzb:

LCD monitor

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mzb:

no remote + lazy

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Beirdo:

same difference

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Beirdo:

but yeah, seems to be acting oddly to be sure

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wagnerrp:

i use the 'sleep' button on my keyboard

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Beirdo:

oh I HATE that Quizno's commercial

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Beirdo:

I should transcode it to something small to send to justinh so he can experience its suckiness

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wagnerrp:

cant be worse then their old dead gerbil one

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Beirdo:

the singing kittens?

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Beirdo:

I think it's worse

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wagnerrp:

worse than these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZrks-BPeLQ

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wagnerrp:

hmm... its a toss up

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wagnerrp:

i think the kitten ones are equally awful

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mzb:

setting off in xorg.conf doesn't appear to work, trying xset -dpms

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mzb:

ah ... hang on ... fe is now toggling it properly

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kormoc:

Beirdo, there's a worse version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3y6DAeK_A

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mzb:

ok, so DPMS now needs to be "DISABLED" in xorg.conf (not the default) ... and the FE toggles during playback

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Beirdo:

my connection's too borked to use youtube right now

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mzb:

ie: by default the screen will turn off _during_ playback ;)) hehe

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kormoc:

mzb, that likely deserves a ticket

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mzb:

ok, can do

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mzb:

attached to anything else, or a new one?

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kormoc:

do a quick search to make sure it's not there already and if not, a new ticket I'd say

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, that's the crappy one that's been polluting my TV

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[R]:

omg, has anyone here seen Modern Family

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Beirdo:

justinh: you wanna see a crappy commercial, checkout that youtube that kormoc posted

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[R]:

its like the funniest show since forever

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kormoc:

[R], lies! Better off Ted wins

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wagnerrp:

i stopped watching it after the half hour iPad ad

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[R]:

kormoc: never saw it

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that one was funny

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kormoc:

[R], you missed out on funny and happiness wrapped up in a neat 22 minute show

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[R]:

haha

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kormoc:

"Faster than a cheetah. More powerful than? another cheetah..."

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: it gets dark whenever you leave the channel...

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kormoc:

Heh

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Beirdo:

wonder how far I can throw that DSL modem?

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Beirdo:

it needs to stop sucking

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yours ever given you stability issues like this? I think we have the same model

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mzb:

hard to say if some of the older tickets don't apply, although most of them appear to be screensaver-related

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mzb:

(gnome, for eg)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, define stability issues?

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Beirdo:

it seems to want to drop the wireless repeatedly

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Beirdo:

might be overheating, but it's not THAT warm in here

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kormoc:

I don't use it for wireless, I have mine setup to forward everything to the airport extreme and the airport extreme even handles the PPPTP login

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Beirdo:

one way or the other, it just drops my connections at odd times

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Beirdo:

:)

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** wagnerrp wonders what 'despair' tastes like **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, dry tears

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Beirdo:

taste?

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Beirdo:

probably coppery... like blood

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wagnerrp:

that would explain why more salt wouldnt help

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kormoc:

Beirdo, Blood tastes like juice

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Beirdo:

hehe. OK, Mr. Vampire

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kormoc:

http://video.adultswim.com/aqua-teen-hunger-f . . . d-pansy.html

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kormoc:

The very end is the part, say inbetween the endless and the full screen buttons

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wagnerrp:

whos the new guy?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the monster? he was only there for the one episode

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wagnerrp:

the turnip spider?

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kormoc:

yeah

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

and it's just turned off again

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mzb:

wtf?

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mzb:

8704

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mzb:

just as I submitted the ticket!

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mzb:

lol

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mzb:

interestingly enough, I did xset -dpms in a console (with DISPLAY exported) ==> the LCD power light went green but the display was still black

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mzb:

now I can't get it to do livetv at all

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mzb:

*sigh*

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sphery:

mzb: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8684 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8639

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mzb:

yes sphery, both of those appear (to me) to be xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver related, right?

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sphery:

#8684 is dpms

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mzb:

ah, behaviour is different between livetv and watch recording

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mzb:

so:

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mzb:

FE toggles DPMS

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mzb:

recording playback toggles DPMS

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mzb:

livetv doesn't touch DPMS

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sphery:

so is yours a dup?

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wagnerrp:

fireflies are the flaming plates of the insect world

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mzb:

hang on

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mzb:

yeah ... possibly

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mzb:

(I had missed the livetv distinction until now)

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** kormoc misses fireflies **

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** kormoc also misses firefly **

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sphery:

now I miss firefly

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sphery:

Serenity now!

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mzb:

sphery, should I add my 2cents to 8684 and delete 8704?

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sphery:

I'll close 8704

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sphery:

if you have additional debug for 8684, it's good

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mzb:

ok, thanks

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sphery:

if it's just a me too or patch works, then the list would be best

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sphery:

thanks for following up

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** wagnerrp misses firesquirrel **

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wagnerrp:

it was never the same after it went mad, due to its lack of sleep from never stopping glowing

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I loved that show

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** mzb wonders why you wouldn't disable DPMS during livetv **

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kormoc:

mzb, people keep falling sleep with the tv on

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Beirdo:

kormoc: with #6824 patch in... my mythbox is doing 60fps or so commflagging 1080i H.264

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Beirdo:

instead of 20ish

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Beirdo:

sphery: a single "patch works" is fine :)

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Beirdo:

heh, but not 20 people saying it

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kormoc:

Beirdo, is that a unified patch?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what CPU?

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wagnerrp:

certainly not your P-D

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Beirdo:

yeah, with one mistake in it as I didn't compile first

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Beirdo:

yes, the Pentium-D

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

down to 47fps

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Beirdo:

but still... impressive

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mzb:

kormoc, sure ... but what if I want (live)tv to be on all day?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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mzb:

that patch just isn't right

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah... patch doesn't like your patch

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kormoc:

patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

get a better patch :)

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Beirdo:

that's output from git format-patch :)

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Beirdo:

remove the email header

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mzb:

one that removes it? ;)

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Beirdo:

I keep forgetting

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mzb:

I could set the timeout to hour(s) ... but then it'll take hour(s) to turn the screen off at night

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mzb:

(when sitting in the menu)

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wagnerrp:

it seems like all it does is disable the deblocker

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kormoc:

yeah, that did it

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wagnerrp:

surely that couldnt account for /that/ much of a gain in performance

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Beirdo:

patch 2.6–2ubuntu1 likes those patches just fine

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I dunno, but there it is

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, I didn't remove enough of the header, tis all

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Beirdo:

when I use it, I don't remove any headers, but you're not the first to say it

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** kormoc shrugs **

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** Beirdo shrugs too **

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kormoc:

and it fails to compile

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Beirdo:

anyways, find the one gContext left over, change it to gCoreContext

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Beirdo:

did you not read my comments in the ticket? :)

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kormoc:

vformatdecoder.cpp:566: error: ?class MythContext? has no member named ?GetNumSetting?

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Beirdo:

that would be the one

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kormoc:

kk

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kormoc:

I don't read tickets! That's for those developer folks! Erm...

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Beirdo:

I'll go make a new patch with that fixed, I guess

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

and I have to set a setting in the db for it to take effect eh?

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Beirdo:

Umm, I didn't yet

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kormoc:

yeah, you do

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Beirdo:

dangit, I'm running with it not completely turned on, and it already sped up?

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kormoc:

int x = gCoreContext->GetNumSetting("CommFlagFast", 0); if (x)...

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Beirdo:

that sounds wrong

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Beirdo:

ahhhh

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mzb:

ok, I've added a comment to 8684 ... that's about the best I can do atm

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Beirdo:

in main.cpp it sets it to a default

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mzb:

can't think of an alternative solution

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kormoc:

ahh

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Beirdo:

and overrides it with that setting, it seems

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Beirdo:

OK, that makes more sense

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mzb:

I guess I can do "xset +dpms" as a livetv-start-event ;)

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Beirdo:

2010-07–28 21:43:17.796 commflagging_speedups: 11

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Beirdo:

have to see what accuracy it gives

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mzb:

s/-dpms

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Beirdo:

but it's still above real time

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Beirdo:

at 34fps now (44% through)

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mzb:

err ... I'm guessing events are called prior to DPMS setting

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wagnerrp:

isnt realtime 60fps?

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Beirdo:

not on 1080i

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wagnerrp:

is it counting frames or fields?

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Beirdo:

30fps

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Beirdo:

720p is 60fps

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Beirdo:

or am I on crack again?

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wagnerrp:

theyre both 60 fields per second

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wagnerrp:

but 1080i60 is only 30 frames per second

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

I would assume it's counting frames not fields

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Beirdo:

but if not, meh, it's still over twice as fast as before :)

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mzb:

nope, that doesn't work ... even with a fork+delay

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

castle was commflagging at ~30 fps, it's now going at ~370

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wagnerrp:

once a show is recorded, i can alter the recorded entry with impunity, right?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, afaik, aye

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wagnerrp:

aside from the chanid/starttime/basename, nothing i change should break things?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, afaik, aye

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wagnerrp:

i just came across some code i apparently wrote months ago, for pulling tmdb/ttvdb data into recordings

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kormoc:

and top chef is reporting 1068 fps

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wagnerrp:

youre recording castle?

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wagnerrp:

or you just reran the commflagger on an old recording?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: you make me want to steal your computer :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

Aye, I just recoded a castle episode

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wagnerrp:

isnt the season over?

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kormoc:

likely, but I missed a bunch evidently

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

I missed many as it was in my myth-free period

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mzb:

err ... ok, maybe I haven't had enough caffeine|alcohol today

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mzb:

I had assumed that patch _had_ been applied to trunk

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** wagnerrp is really itching to move back to trunk... **

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Beirdo:

dooo eeeet

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Beirdo:

trunk is fun

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mzb:

corrected my comment on 8684

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** Beirdo is the trunk pusher... especially for devs :) **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so I think I'll look at that commskip for UPnP bug, having chatted with cdev a bit

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Beirdo:

well, patch more than bug :)

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

toook JUST over an hour to commflag a 1h show

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Beirdo:

including the logo scan

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Beirdo:

9:43–10:55

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Beirdo:

found 4 commercial breaks

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Beirdo:

the breaks were mostly right too

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Beirdo:

will require tweaking, but I'm OK with it for my uses so far

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I'm stealing #3580 from ya

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Beirdo:

you can steal it back later should you want it back :)

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Beirdo:

kormoc: you rule :)

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oobe:

I have somthing wierd happening I tuned in a new digital channel works fine can watch live tv and schedule some recordings but a certain show never records in the backend it seems to think it created the file but then it goes missing so it appears in the recordings list but the file cannot be found here is the backend log of the recording starting http://pastebin.ca/1910768 looks normal to me and here is the pastebin of the file not being found http

[03:34:16]

oobe:

://pastebin.ca/1910770

[03:36:25]

wagnerrp:

are you sure that channel still exists in that location?

[03:36:34]

wagnerrp:

maybe you need to rescan to pick up a channel move

[03:36:53]

wagnerrp:

oh, its only a certain show, not a whole channel

[03:36:59]

wagnerrp:

same show always?

[03:39:54]

oobe:

yea

[03:40:07]

oobe:

wierd

[03:40:20]

oobe:

i deleted that schedule and rescheduled it

[03:40:42]

oobe:

then tested other shows on same channel using same sort of scheduling scheme and it worked

[03:41:47]

oobe:

tommorow or the day after its airing during the day maybe it will record ok then

[03:42:10]

oobe:

perhaps its got a weaker signal or somthing at the same time each 2 am period but i doubt it

[03:42:22]

oobe:

actually no it would just have artifacts

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wagnerrp:

nothing in the backend logs at time of recording to indicate some sort of problem?

[03:47:38]

oobe:

not that i can see

[03:47:45]

oobe:

i pasted what i thought was relevent

[03:47:51]

oobe:

if you want to see me let me know

[03:47:54]

oobe:

http://pastebin.ca/1910768

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simonckenyon:

where in the UI do you specify the OSD theme. can't find it anymore (in trunk)

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wagnerrp:

the OSD and UI theme are now rolled into one

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simonckenyon:

so it is a package deal? rats!

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wagnerrp:

note that the old OSDs do not work any longer

[03:58:32]

wagnerrp:

so there's probably only one or two OSDs to choose from anyway

[03:59:13]

wagnerrp:

i think Arclight has its own, and the rest fall through to the default

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: just so you know... applying a patch from 0.20-fixes to trunk... painful endeavor

[04:03:38]

wagnerrp:

i think you mentioned that already

[04:03:38]

Beirdo:

oh, and also... Qwest DSL is being flaky as a pie crust tonight

[04:03:48]

Beirdo:

it's not the wireless, it's dropping DSL link

[04:04:56]

** wagnerrp rediscovered function pointers tonight **

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Beirdo:

cool ;0

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simonckenyon:

wagnerrp: thanks for the explanation. thought it was just my bad memory when i could not find the option. had to go and get a coffee to recover :-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the OSD had a big rewrite a couple months ago, and one of the decisions was to make the OSD tied into the UI theme

[04:10:58]

wagnerrp:

since there are planned to be bits mixed between the two

[04:11:19]

wagnerrp:

various widgets, like a video window, info popups, etc...

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simonckenyon:

problem will come when a nice theme has a sucky osd and vice versa

[04:13:57]

wagnerrp:

well then it comes down to going into the theme, stripping out one file, and replacing it with another

[04:17:12]

wagnerrp:

hopefully the theming community will pick up once the theme downloader and webpage is in place

[04:17:17]

wagnerrp:

so there will be more to choose from

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justinh:

pfff. all the effort people go to to make stuff consistent & this is the thanks they get

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah and hopefull they won't just be stupid rehashes of existing themes

[04:17:59]

justinh:

*hopefully

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simonckenyon:

justinh: that directed at me?

[04:18:09]

Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

compile failures galore

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Beirdo:

screw this, it will wait for tomorrow

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justinh:

having seen arclight I don't think for a minute its osd would suck

[04:18:51]

justinh:

the mythbuntu one on the other hand.. now there's something which could use some more opacity

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Beirdo:

having seen an arclight, you are now undoubtedly blind

[04:19:32]

justinh:

I have theming glasses. they're more like welding goggles than anything else ;)

[04:19:33]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that hard UV doesnt do an eye good

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:20:09]

Beirdo:

it got as far as upnpcdstv.cpp this time

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

less choice might *sound* like a bad idea now but if we're to effectively reduce the number of settings there's no way around it

[04:21:33]

justinh:

now I'm back on the compiling wagon I'll be able to start making some more changes of my own :)

[04:22:32]

Beirdo:

no choice for you!

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Beirdo:

sphery is the settings nazi

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justinh:

what's happening with settings stuff then – are folks converting them to mythui or is the plan still a resolute web-ui it?

[04:23:43]

Beirdo:

yet to be dected

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Beirdo:

decided

[04:24:03]

Beirdo:

stupid brain/finger communication fail

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justinh:

heh

[04:24:23]

justinh:

PEBCAK ;)

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Beirdo:

where C = couch :)

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wagnerrp:

no, C is always cookie

[04:26:12]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that's good enough for me

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justinh:

oh gawd, another 3 people signed up to notifications from my site.. with mis-spelled email addresses. this cannot continue to go unpunished

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justinh:

ouch. last Q electricity bill was £133 :-O

[04:54:33]

justinh:

1064 Normal kWh (kilowatt-hours) used

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justinh:

that's like a constant 521W. need to do more to reduce the house's idle consumption methinks

[05:02:51]

justinh:

wonder if I could run nxserver on a linux appliance

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Beirdo:

oy!

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Beirdo:

I think I can finally check this changeset into git locally

[05:06:42]

Beirdo:

I got a bit of a second wind there

[05:07:00]

Beirdo:

and yeah, a chunk of it will need rewriting or it won't work

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AndyCap:

justinh: how much is the actual idle consumption?

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Beirdo:

it should be using recordedseek to get the byte offsets, not hacking a calculation based on 29.97fps

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AndyCap:

I should really cut down my power consumption.

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AndyCap:

especially since I'm slightly above last years use

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justinh:

AndyCap: dunno, not checked up on it for a while

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justinh:

much lower than it used to be though, bill wise so we're doing something right

[05:36:50]

justinh:

ow. 250W on 24/7 for a month at 10.58 pence per kWh is still £20

[05:37:30]

justinh:

might be time to call in the standby police & shut the backend down nightly. since I knocked my stupid late nights on the head maybe not a bad idea

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Jay2k1:

i like the auto-shutdown/auto-wakeup method

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justinh:

yeh & now my frontend has a disk inside I'd be able to WoL the backend too

[05:47:49]

justinh:

but then I'll have to go cold turkey on my daily fix of IRC

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gbee:

I've made pretty much all the changes I can to reduce the power bill, especially when it comes to the computers but I'm still not putting them in standby or shutting them down, I just don't trust it to work properly

[06:14:36]

gbee:

considering trialling shutting the production backend down between 1am and 6am if the board supports RTC wakeup

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: same here. Iv'e reduced my PC's down and now am setting up the shutdown/wol stuff

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GreyFoxx:

I figure I can get several of the PC's to be off most of the day, leaving just the fileserver/firewall/masterbackend running all the time

[06:20:25]

GreyFoxx:

and the frontends can already wakeup/shutdown via the remotes. I just need to train my family to turn them off :)

[06:20:39]

gbee:

justinh: does your Virgin STB automatically go into standby after a period of inactivity? Mine doesn't, nor can I find an option to do it, but I'd like one that does

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: that reminds me, I was going to add an idle shutdown timer to mythfrontend as a step towards replacing mythwelcome

[06:23:03]

gbee:

I don't know that I want to be starting up the machines from cold to use them, mythbuntu boots too slowly, hence the idea of shutting them off only when they definately won't be used

[06:24:29]

gbee:

I've never had a good experience with sleep on linux, there is always something that does work right

[06:25:01]

gbee:

but I might play with it again to see if things have improved in the last 18 months

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I was thining of doing something like that to auto shutdown the TV's if it detects no activity on the FE (been paused for 30 minutes + or idle at a menu for 10+ minutes) but only if the TV is on a specific input. Cause I wouldn't want to turn it off while it's on another input playing games or something :)

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GreyFoxx:

I can detect if the TV is on over the serial port, but so far not the input :)

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gbee:

don't think my tv is that clever, but it usually gets turned off anyway, it's the STBs and MythTV box which get ignored

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GreyFoxx:

My wife and kid have a habit of leaving the TV on (my wife more than my kid) :)

[06:37:59]

GreyFoxx:

and I can control it over the serial port, but "asking" it stuff I haven't figured out how to do :)

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justinh:

gbee: no it doesn't. think I might put it on the standby saver. That should save 20W or so

[06:56:41]

justinh:

gbee: FYI my frontend based on ubuntu boots in under 30s

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justinh:

and that's without really tinkering with the boot process. shaving crap like the redundant input devices etc might take some more off

[06:58:07]

justinh:

oh yeah and that's using gnome too

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justinh:

it ain't really broke & it's fast enough for us

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gbee:

justinh: I've not timed it, but mine feels longer than that

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gbee:

but I'm comparing it against my other machines like this mandriva one which is _fast_

[07:11:18]

gbee:

it's still a delay which might be intolerable, so I'll concentrate on saving the power when it's really not needed and if electricity prices continue to rise I'll think again

[07:48:17]

gbee:

sphery: thanks for working on the changelog

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GlemSom:

When I shuffle in the EPG in LiveTV, MythTV always failes when reaching a specific channel (note: NOT tuned, just shuffleing in EPG data)... It exists with: "irrecoverable recorder error". Anyone else seen this before?

[08:00:22]

GlemSom:

I'm using the latest 0.23-fixes

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GlemSom:

I've tried to cleanout eit-cache and program tables, and re-import program data... But seems it does not make any difference.

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GlemSom:

And, bte – i KNOW that channel CAN be tuned – as I'm actually recording from it right now.

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GlemSom:

I'm a bit unsure where the error is... The backend giving odd data back to the frontend (epg) – or the frontend unable to display something... ?

[08:17:04]

GlemSom:

hmm, mythfrontend with all debug on didn't catch anything besides: 2010-07–29 14:09:48.705 NVP(0), Error: Unknown recorder error, exiting decoder :(

[08:34:42]

GlemSom:

hmm, maybe because description contains only: \0 ?

[08:42:44]

GlemSom:

yeap, that was defently the cause of the first channel failing !

[08:42:57]

GlemSom:

mythfrontend does NOT like \0 in the database !

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anykey_:

GlemSom: file a bug?

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GlemSom:

anykey_, Well, I still need to figure out why it failed with some of my other channels... Might be related...

[08:45:25]

GlemSom:

anykey_, I have a feeling it's due to bad EPG data from eit...

[08:47:10]

anykey_:

yeah, but it shouldn't crash on that, I think

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GlemSom:

heh WAS related – though, this time it was because the subtitle contained \0

[09:03:21]

GlemSom:

anykey_, Nope, it shouln't... It does though.. :P

[09:06:20]

anykey_:

so file a bug ;)

[09:07:33]

GlemSom:

anykey_, I did :) -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8707

[09:07:49]

GlemSom:

anykey_, Sadly I'm not skilled enough to fix it myself.. :(

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anykey_:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Udo returns...

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** justinh hands Udo a cork **

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justinh:

not for the memory leak

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j-rod:

while we're at it, here's a boot

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justinh:

I don't think anybody's being fair with him. Just take out the coded "if $user=="udo" m_leakmem=1 " stuff out

[11:18:15]

gbee:

again?? *sigh*

[11:19:00]

iamlindoro:

and again, with "proof" that shows nothing at all

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justinh:

is all that still on the epia box?

[11:22:41]

justinh:

the one so crummy it doesn't have enough resource to run gdb at the same time?

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iamlindoro:

Think he upgraded at some point to a low end AMD

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justinh:

hmm having fanart on the gallery view maybe wasn't my greatest ever idea

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justinh:

are tmdb's ratings just PG13, R etc rather than the really verbose ones – or have I got it the wrong way round?

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iamlindoro:

correct, they are the short classifications

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wagnerrp:

so it consumed 60MB of memory in the time it took to do a thousand minutes of CPU time

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justinh:

thanks. that's cool, so I don't have to worry about only having one line for it then :)

[11:47:51]

iamlindoro:

right

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wagnerrp:

my backend has been online for three weeks, and has managed to accrue a whole 50 minutes

[11:49:13]

iamlindoro:

His is capturing every channel on every mux 24/7/365

[11:49:21]

justinh:

whaaaaaaaaa?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, thats why no one has been able to reproduce his issues, or even be concerned about fixing them

[11:50:32]

iamlindoro:

Not to mention for the last six months or so he hasn't been able to claim any actual symptom

[11:50:42]

iamlindoro:

just that he thinks it is leaking memory, with only ps output as proof

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wagnerrp:

justinh: and until fairly recently, its been doing it on some old POS VIA system

[11:50:51]

iamlindoro:

no tangible symptom whatsoever

[11:50:52]

justinh:

there was kind of a good reason why the max recordings per tuner was set to 5

[11:51:19]

justinh:

well no hard evidence it'd be a *bad* thing as such IIRC.. just wise caution

[11:52:00]

wagnerrp:

the average user /may/ see issues coming up on a year of continuous runtime

[11:52:14]

wagnerrp:

at which point they should be using an old version, and their bugs would be ignored anyway... :)

[11:52:34]

justinh:

I ran my old dev box – 800Mhz althlon with 512MB ram 24/7 for a few days flat out recording everything from one mux – the scheduler made spikes of up to 50% CPU but that was it

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wagnerrp:

has he ever explained just why hes doing this?

[11:53:42]

justinh:

maybe something daft like trying to sell a broadcast archival system for off-air use

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I don't understand why he records everything 24x7... Is he running a Hotel or something?

[11:54:57]

justinh:

maybe a HOsTEL

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justinh:

muhahahaha

[11:55:12]

** J-e-f-f-A laughs! **

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wagnerrp:

that would explain why he was doing it on a POS VIA

[11:55:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: maybe he's a feed for one of those internet-tv services...

[11:55:57]

justinh:

heh

[11:56:13]

justinh:

I thought they were all just webcams pointing at real TVs

[11:57:07]

justinh:

oh maybe that's a different kind of 'tv' service altogether. my bad

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justinh:

I could still do with going into the pbb to add the channelicon

[12:03:43]

justinh:

surprised nobody else has hankered for the channel icon there

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iamlindoro:

Have desired it, just falls low on the priority list

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justinh:

it's about the level of what I can do, so it'll be next :)

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gbee:

I'm going crazy, ld refuses to link this class and I just can't see why

[12:16:45]

gbee:

if I remove the QT_OBJECT macro it's fine, but why this class and not the dozens of other identikit ones?

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wagnerrp:

in the ongoing audio saga spanning multiple threads, ive decided to create yet another thread!

[12:28:31]

wagnerrp:

you may remember me from other duplicate threads such as....

[12:29:43]

clever:

gbee: if you use QT_OBJECT then you must run moc on the header to make a foo.moc.cpp file

[12:30:10]

clever:

QT_OBJECT will add references to some per-class variables/functions that moc automaticaly defines for you

[12:30:44]

clever:

one of which is the magic function that takes a function id, and then calls the right signal/slot, and the rest are the functions for the signals

[12:33:07]

clever:

if the .h is defined on the .pro file, it should happen fairly automaticaly i think, but you can force it to check again by using qmake && make in the right dir

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sphery:

gbee: Heh, I did what I could manage. I added updates for my changesets, then a couple of the other "major" ones (i.e. ones that fix crashes or obvious issues like tmdb image downloads), then I couldn't handle anymore.

[12:35:21]

sphery:

It really wasn't too bad to do my own once I figured out how. In trac, went to 0-23-fixes, changelog, set start and end revisions and then just searched for my name.

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sphery:

heh, the thread that won't die: Re: [mythtv-users] mythbackend still eats memory: the current status

[12:36:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: mythbackend is HUNGRY! ;-)

[12:36:31]

sphery:

mythbackend is using RAM, so it must be a memory leak. None of my other applications need RAM.

[12:37:49]

** wagnerrp hears a delivery truck **

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sphery:

too bad I have to buy RAM for just mythbackend. My system would be so much cheaper if I didn't have to buy RAM.

[12:38:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ooh, and it's not even Christmas! Whatcha getting?

[12:39:41]

** wagnerrp has been tricked **

[12:40:19]

wagnerrp:

actually, my cousin down the street getting a load of siding

[12:40:31]

wagnerrp:

seriously, who needs to re-side their house on a hot July afternoon

[12:40:32]

gbee:

clever: believe it or not, despite telling me what I already know very well, you did give me an idea, so thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, no kidding.. So what is it you're expecting to get?

[12:42:24]

wagnerrp:

hard drives

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: nice. ;-)

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clever:

gbee: i beleive qmake will check the headers for QT_OBJECT and only plan a moc pass if it exists, so if you add it to a header later on it wont moc it

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sphery:

oh, no, he's a berserker

[12:47:49]

stevieman:

Does anyone know if there is a problem with mythgame and playing games with 'fullscreen' option? Whenever I try it pushed the window to the top left, the window contents breakout of the window slightly and it is no bigger than the normal size game window. Happens with every game I try, (colem, frozen-bubble) etc.

[12:48:26]

sphery:

stevieman: sounds more like a mame issue, since mythgame is really just a generic application launcher

[12:48:38]

sphery:

assuming those are mame games

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stevieman:

sphery: not sorry, these are not mame games, frozen-bubble is a linux native game, colem is a colecovision emu

[12:49:20]

iamlindoro:

sphery is correct, MythGame has no control over the behavior of those external apps

[12:49:34]

iamlindoro:

regardless of whether they're mame, native, or any other emulator

[12:49:51]

iamlindoro:

it merely takes the command line you feed it, and executes it as the user running the frontend

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stevieman:

ok cool, off to ubuntu irc for help then, thanks

[12:50:04]

sphery:

meaning either the app is having problems or the command line is wrong

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Beirdo:

udo--

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sphery:

Beirdo: but mythbackend is using RAM

[12:51:20]

Beirdo:

oh noes!

[12:51:34]

Beirdo:

granted, it does use a LOT.

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sphery:

it does a lot

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Beirdo:

but I see no real evidence of a leak there

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sphery:

I think we should "fix" mythbackend memory use by splitting it into a bunch of daemons

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Beirdo:

more shared mem use would be good

[12:52:23]

Beirdo:

but whatever :)

[12:52:49]

Beirdo:

granted, we COULD tweak stuff, but why does he need THAT many backends running?

[12:52:52]

justinh:

ROFL... wife is watching 'weakest link'.. "puffin books are aimed at which market – smokers or children?"

[12:52:57]

Beirdo:

I take it those are per-thread?

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clever:

sphery: i had seen talk earlier of spliting mythbackend into a master deamon and a slave/capture daemon

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sphery:

Beirdo: "that many?"

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gbee:

sphery: whether you were joking or not, I know that's being suggest a lot lately but IMHO splitting up the backend is not a good idea

[12:53:20]

sphery:

because of my splitting it up comment?

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sphery:

wasn't really joking

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: He is only running one backend

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clever:

so the master would run both if it had a card, or just the master alone for a cardless master

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: it's ps output of a single backend over a period of time

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gbee:

exactly how much RSS is he reporting?

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

220MB

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Beirdo:

slowly growing != memory leak

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sphery:

exactly

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Beirdo:

it COULD mean that

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Beirdo:

or it could mean more stuff is cached in memory in the app

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Beirdo:

the fact that tht VSZ isn't significantly changing tells me it is NOT a memory leak

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gbee:

doesn't mean there isn't a problem

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Beirdo:

it's just how much is paged in/out

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sphery:

and--considering he thinks the /one/ valgrind run he finally did after a year of complaining is sufficient--he's not even using the right "shortcut" tools to see what's using the RAM. If nothing else, he should do pmap -d.

[12:56:26]

sphery:

considering we've actually fixed the (tiny) memory leak shown in his valgrind run

[12:56:35]

sphery:

where we = danielk

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Beirdo:

gbee: granted, we could take a good look into reducing unnecessary memory use

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gbee:

though mine is at 106MB and it was restarted yesterday, so 220MB isn't exactly a runaway leak/growth

[12:57:30]

Beirdo:

can't get to mine, it seems

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sphery:

he's also the guy who has a some number of power recording rules that equal his number of tuners that says, "record everything on channel X"

[12:57:48]

Beirdo:

after all the DSL flapping last night, I think I need to restart the IPv6 tunnel

[12:58:00]

sphery:

but he thinks using 220MB RAM while recording everything that's aired one every channel is too much...

[12:58:17]

clever:

sphery: ahhhh, nice tool, i always went directly to the source, /proc/$PID/maps

[12:58:23]

justinh:

hmmm what voodoo is going on here in schedule-ui to make the timelist work? I'll have to sort it out later

[12:58:46]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, I hear ya

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sphery:

clever: yeah, and with pmap -d, you can actually see how much of the reported usage is shared libs and mem-mapped files and ...

[12:59:11]

clever:

sphery: yeah, i had to hack up a script that prefixed every line with its actual size, so i could |sort -n

[12:59:15]

gbee:

'anon'

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Beirdo:

we do need to get it under control if possible, but I think it's pretty stable as it stands now

[12:59:21]

clever:

pmap actualy reads into them a little better

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sphery:

on the bright side, I think most people have learned not to feed the thread, anymore

[13:01:04]

Beirdo:

yeah, no kidding

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, we told him that 'VSZ' thing months ago

[13:01:14]

wagnerrp:

again we == danielk

[13:01:22]

Beirdo:

hehe

[13:01:24]

sphery:

but once a person makes up his mind...

[13:01:26]

clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/mythtv/ . . . hbackend.png my own backend looks fairly stable

[13:01:39]

Beirdo:

"oooh, it grows"... by like 200k over a short time

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just me, but if hes recording every channel all the time, hes running it in a commercial setting

[13:02:21]

sphery:

how could you go for 2 1/2 weeks with no mythbackend?

[13:02:28]

Beirdo:

what's our thread stack size?

[13:02:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I've always been suspicious

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wagnerrp:

if youre running mythtv in a commercial setting, you should be running it on hardware where an extra 200MB over a months time is inconsequential

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clever:

sphery: i think the rrd is just too short to hold a whole month

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

hell, if youre running mythtv in a consumer setting, 200MB should be fairly inconsequential to you

[13:03:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and if it really bothers you, you should either fix it yourself or hire someone with the skills to fix it for you

[13:03:43]

gbee:

I spent a few hours valgrinding a couple of months back (at least) and it was that plus a little digging which turned up ~3 leaks, of which I fixed all but one since the third wasn't so obvious, that's the one in DVBStreamData which janneg, Daniel and I finally identified and fixed

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sphery:

(or hire someone whose ethics allow himself to accept your money for "fixing" a non-existent problem)

[13:04:07]

Beirdo:

gbee: yeah, I thought you were involved with that

[13:04:25]

clever:

wagnerrp: i bearly have 200mb of ram total in my master!

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clever:

and it still runs fine

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sphery:

gbee: oh, yeah, I forgot that you put in several little memleak fixes just before danielk did the one shown by the valgrind

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wagnerrp:

i did say 'should' in there

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sphery:

where "the valgrind" = the one udo submitted

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Beirdo:

stupid Qwest

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Beirdo:

guh?

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Beirdo:

#8705

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Beirdo:

what in the heck?

[13:28:32]

Beirdo:

I have no idea how to even START looking into that

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, yeah, I re-read that a few times to try to figure out what it meant

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iamlindoro:

sounds like an X Configuration issue to me

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sphery:

Beirdo: or did you did some fixes for aspect ratio stuff?

[13:30:11]

Beirdo:

I feel like setting it to infoneeded and asking "What the heck are you trying to say?"

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sphery:

i.e. it was broken before and now it works--in spite of user understanding

[13:30:18]

Beirdo:

not that I know of

[13:30:25]

sphery:

maybe ask for a screenshot

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sphery:

a screenshot is worth 1000 words

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Beirdo:

between 0.23 and 0.23-fixes, I don't know of any mythgallery changes that would do that

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's a good idea

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sphery:

there were several mythgallery changes you put into 0.23.1

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sphery:

(so if you wanted to update the release notes for it :)

[13:31:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'd have to go figure out what :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23.1 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . mp;limit=100 (and search for your username)

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24602 ???

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Beirdo:

that's all mythweather

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Beirdo:

no mythgallery

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sphery:

oh, oops.

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sphery:

well, whatever you had changed :)

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sphery:

wonder if that MythGallery change is related, though?

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Beirdo:

not at all

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sphery:

I was thinking there was a gallery aspect change

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Beirdo:

it might be [24602]

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Beirdo:

but I didn't notice any "not filling the screen" issues when I was messing with the gallery in trunk

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sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking it might be user misunderstanding?

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sphery:

broken before, and now it's different (but correct)?

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Beirdo:

or user changed system-level stuff (like X) and is blaming it on app

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Beirdo:

not like we haven't seen THAT before

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Beirdo:

but [24602] does seem to be a possibility

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Armar:

How does mythtv know when a program starts? that doesn't come trough analog cable right?

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wagnerrp:

is uses the guide data you have set up for it

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV#Belgium

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Armar:

oh wow thats awesome

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Armar:

so if I have wireless internet on it I'm all set?

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sphery:

Beirdo: heh, yeah, also a possibility

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wagnerrp:

Armar: wireless internet is plenty fine for pulling guide data, but dont expect to stream to other machines over the network using it

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Beirdo:

we'll see what the user can provide to try to narrow this down

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Armar:

ok thanks for the info :)

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: a bit of a discrepancy with the download manager

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wagnerrp:

when using the Temp storage group, you can just use the filename itself

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wagnerrp:

all other storage groups require the filename to be prepended with a '/'

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Anyone have any suggestions on universal remotes that are good with Myth? I started out with only have a USB dongle + remote, but now that I've added things, I have a volume remote, a TV remote, a Myth remote, etc...And I hate clutter

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justinh:

OFA remotes are ok but can be a cow to program

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have an older one.

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justinh:

Harmony remotes are ok but can be a cow to program

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wagnerrp:

OFA?\

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

One For All

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justinh:

Pronto remotes are ok but can be a cow to program

[13:50:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Good company for updating

[13:50:14]

justinh:

there's a trend emerging

[13:50:25]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, once it is programmed...

[13:50:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

The question is what would suit me.

[13:50:36]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I don't need a fancy remote

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

99% of the time, I'm not using 60% of the button

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

buttons

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justinh:

harmony ones are ok, but you might find their primary mode (activities) rather sucks

[13:50:52]

wagnerrp:

if you dont want something fancy/expensive, get an OFA

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm willing to go fancy if someone gives me a compelling reason

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** wagnerrp likes the activity mode **

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justinh:

but they do have enough buttons – OFA ones have marginally less than an optimal number

[13:51:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

If there isn't a good reason to get the better remote, why bother?

[13:52:10]

justinh:

harmony plus points: lots of buttons, not too many – easy to program if you have a windows machine or mac

[13:52:12]

wagnerrp:

how do you switch inputs? TV? AV receiver?

[13:52:39]

justinh:

if you don't have windows or mac, virtually forget about programming a harmony

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just 'upgraded' to a Monoprice HDMI input switcher because I don't want to spend the money on a new receiver that has HDMI

[13:53:01]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have one Windows partition on one system for things I can't do on Linux

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wagnerrp:

is it IR controllable?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes, it is

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wagnerrp:

are there buttons to each input?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have an RF USB remote, but I can swap it for the IR MCE in the other room

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Also yes.

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wagnerrp:

then you should have no problem with the 'activity' modes on the harmonys

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Activity, as in Do A, B, and C when button 1 is pressed?

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wagnerrp:

as in 'i want to "watch tv"'

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justinh:

activity as in choose an activity, and the remote does the switching & button pressing for you

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Interesting.

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wagnerrp:

it automatically powers up the necessary devices, puts them in the correct input, alters the button layout

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wagnerrp:

and runs any additional commands you may specify

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It would help with the problem that now, with the extra hardware, I have to shut off 4–5 things individually whereas before one thing would shut off everything.

[13:55:42]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll have to look at the various models

[13:55:58]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I assume they all support learning and such

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justinh:

look for specials.. I wouldn't pay full price

[13:56:02]

justinh:

yeah they do

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wagnerrp:

for instance, on my dvd changer, i have it set to sleep for 6 seconds and then start spamming 'stop', so i can prevent it from autoloading the current disk and getting stuck in the anti-piracy warnings

[13:56:10]

justinh:

well my 525 does

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Justinh, what is a good deal, in your opinion?

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wagnerrp:

definitely go for specials, i picked up a pair of 880s for $70 each a couple months back

[13:57:25]

justinh:

I paid about £25 for my 525

[13:57:39]

wagnerrp:

nice

[13:57:43]

justinh:

the higher end remotes didn't do anything this one does

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justinh:

er.. didn't do any more

[13:57:59]

justinh:

so I thought what's the point :)

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wagnerrp:

well you get a color screen with more side buttons.... basically just means you dont have to scroll through your list of activities/devices

[13:58:52]

wagnerrp:

oh, and you get a recharging base with an excessively bright blue LED

[13:59:02]

justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

lights up the room at night

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have enough excessively bright LEDs

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justinh:

didn't think we needed a colour screen

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justinh:

and the battery life is pretty good – it's not in the same league as a regular remote but it's not a nasty hog either

[14:00:10]

justinh:

it's only crashed once too!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mine would last a month or so on the four AAAs, my 880s might last a week on its lipoly

[14:00:49]

wagnerrp:

you know how the motion sensor on that 525 works? is it acoustic or just very sensitive?

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justinh:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

the thing will light up if you just enter the room

[14:01:32]

justinh:

oh wait.. mine's the 515

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justinh:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

different color scheme, missing a few buttons, but otherwise the same

[14:02:43]

justinh:

no motion sensor AFAIK

[14:02:50]

wagnerrp:

ah

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justinh:

now we've got a black dog we tend not to watch much in darkness anyway ;-)

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justinh:

yelp! ahh there's the doggy

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wagnerrp:

hey, with the motion sensor, it would light up if he came in the room

[14:04:12]

justinh:

he'd already be in the room lying on the floor

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kormoc:

oh nice

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justinh:

usually near the doorway

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kormoc:

tv firmware update speed up tv boot time from ~30 seconds to ~10

[14:04:34]

Beirdo:

usually right where your feet go?

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justinh:

Beirdo: heh yeh

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justinh:

tv boot time? :-O

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wagnerrp:

oh, apparently its actually an infrared motion sensor

[14:05:07]

kormoc:

justinh, from power-on to display

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justinh:

whoah

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wagnerrp:

it has receivers in the front and back for 'learning mode'

[14:05:23]

wagnerrp:

and any changes in heat levels, it lights up

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justinh:

I like my appliances to be ON when I turn em on

[14:05:43]

kormoc:

justinh, heh, I haven't seen any hdtvs that are instant on

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justinh:

oh well :)

[14:06:03]

kormoc:

they scan inputs, figure out where to get a picture from, scan audio devices, etc

[14:06:06]

wagnerrp:

my 880s only have a comparatively primitive tilt sensor

[14:06:23]

kormoc:

scan usb devices for new firmware, jpegs, or mp3's

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gbee:

I knew someone who broke their arm on one occasions and then dislocated their shoulder a couple of months later after tripping over their dog in the dark because it liked to sleep on the floor by the bed

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clever:

mine takes forever to come on and doesnt seem to auto-select input at all

[14:07:04]

clever:

always goes to the last-used input

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gbee:

hmm, that could have been better worded

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Beirdo:

gbee: did they need to get treated for dog bites too?

[14:07:41]

Beirdo:

<dog>: Stop stepping on me, you oaf!

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gbee:

heh no, the first time it apparently continued to sleep in the same spot even with paramedics etc in the room

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Beirdo:

hhe

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Beirdo:

nice

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gbee:

big old hairy thing it was

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Beirdo:

oblivious dog. gotta love it

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wagnerrp:

bah... that wasnt a delivery truck

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clever:

Beirdo: i got a friend who's dog sleeps by the heat radiator

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wagnerrp:

just my dad coming home with a big throaty... 2 liter...

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clever:

and keeps sleeping when its leg begins to smoke

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kormoc:

that sound dirty

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Beirdo:

mmm, burnt fur smell... smells like... sleep!

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, with the backend commands?

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gbee:

back on the subject of remotes, I bought a new MCE remote for £12 off ebay the other day, sadly it's the international version without the coloured buttons but at least it's not the clone/hauppauge/xbox one

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah

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wagnerrp:

was testing the video artwork downloader, and it was saving things to '/mnt/mythtv/bannersShow Season x_banner.jpg'

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kormoc:

gbee, I never liked the colored buttons, no indication of what they're gonna do without pressing

[14:12:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, thanks. that reminds me I need to put in the sanity checking for "..", etc. in that code.

[14:12:39]

Beirdo:

oh no! you're gonna make it more secure?! we can't have that

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Beirdo:

heh

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dewman:

with a 2 year old I need all the sanity checking I can get.

[14:13:06]

Beirdo:

why? you have none left.

[14:13:13]

dewman:

true...

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wagnerrp:

dewman: is your 2-yr old going to be hacking around on an open network socket?

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Beirdo:

and won't for another 16 years at least :)

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gbee:

kormoc: they are required for the interactive services here in the UK and I was planning to create a theme/key mapping which would use them for context specific actions (labels would appear on-screen)

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kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

[14:13:39]

** wagnerrp bows to dewman's kid's l33tness **

[14:13:41]

dewman:

he has managed to snake my droid and change the channel...does that count?

[14:14:05]

Beirdo:

mmm, more coffee time

[14:14:08]

dewman:

(mythmote)

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dewman:

the only remote I need.

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gbee:

kormoc: of course I plan to do lots of things, doesn't mean I have the time for them all ;)

[14:14:38]

gbee:

kormoc: example of a UK STB using the coloured buttons for navigation – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_foxsat2.png

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justinh:

talk about a remote you have to charge every 24 hours though eh... mythmote... lol

[14:14:54]

kormoc:

gbee, huh, fair 'nuff

[14:15:12]

gbee:

incidently, although it's an exact-ish copy of the STB design, it's actually MythTV in that screenshot

[14:15:36]

justinh:

oo I might just do that for my theme. more WAF++++

[14:15:44]

gbee:

in case the logo didn't give it away

[14:16:07]

kormoc:

gbee, yeah, I can see how that would work well

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, and all your SG dirs have a / on the end in the storagegroup table correct?

[14:16:24]

justinh:

well back into schedule-ui.xml

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yes, im pretty sure mythtv-setup enforces that

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wagnerrp:

(just checked to make sure anyway)

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, just doublechecking.

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wagnerrp:

quick question, the artwork stuff falling back to the Videos SG, thats in mythvideo, not storagegroup behavior, right?

[14:23:22]

justinh:

weird. using shapes as a background to the timelist buttonlist is really messing it up

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, I think that uses StorageGroup::GetGroupToUse(), but htat method needs to be more generic. it needs to take a fallback group name as an argument so we can have everything fallback to some default or Temp.

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, the fix is in. no / required on any filenames now.

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wagnerrp:

ok, thanks

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Beirdo:

*BURP*

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Beirdo:

mmm, coffee

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Beirdo:

you and me both

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Beirdo:

spent many hours reworking an old patch last night

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: But i've only got 2 hrs to go before I can go home... ;-)

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Beirdo:

shh :)

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wagnerrp:

any idea why thetvdb.com mist list dvd episode numbers as a float?

[15:19:51]

andrewe:

Hi, I would like to use mythtv, but I cannot tune channels (at least not reliably), but I can with kaffeine. Any thoughts?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: A double length episode (part 1, part 2) gets a .1 and .2

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://thetvdb.com/wiki/index.php/DVD_Order

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Beirdo:

andrewe: not nearly enough information for anyone to be able to help there

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: that wont cause problems with metadatacommon.cpp:337 and 338?

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wagnerrp:

seems youre making it a UInt

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wagnerrp:

(at least in the future when we handle dvd order)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: DVD Order is basically unhandled so far

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iamlindoro:

When we do anything with it, I'll finish it

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andrewe:

Beirdo: I'm willing to provide more: I'm using Ubuntu Karmic, Diseqc with two LNBs, a Skystar 2 HD card (SAA7146).

[15:21:59]

wagnerrp:

ok, ill change that field to no type for now on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

i had set the python metadata grabber to handle it as an int

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wagnerrp:

and it just barfed in testing

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andrewe:

Beirdo: most of the time I don't get a lock while scanning, but sometimes I do.

[15:24:10]

Beirdo:

ah, I don't know much of the DVB stuff, but I'm sure others do

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andrewe:

Beirdo: I hope "others" will prevent me going nuts. ;-)

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johnnyj:

no promises

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wagnerrp:

andrewe: youre scanning in mythtv-setup, with myth's channel scanner?

[15:26:33]

andrewe:

wagnerrp, I use "Input connections" in mythtv-setup.

[15:27:12]

andrewe:

Then "Scan for channels"

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andrewe:

Something I was never certain about is video sources, I created two separate ones, one for each LNB, do I need that?

[15:29:14]

wagnerrp:

you need one video source for each channel lineup

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wagnerrp:

if both cards pull off the same satellite, you only need one source

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andrewe:

that's what I have.

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andrewe:

It's two satellites, Astra1 and Astra2.

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andrewe:

Maybe it's a problem with Diseqc, but it works fine with kaffeine.

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justinh:

and you've set up the switch in mythtv-setup ?

[15:31:25]

justinh:

you'll need one video source per bird you're pointing at

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tv-freak:

My mysql stopped to start during boot (upstart) after installing updates a couple of days ago. I have mysql-server 5.1.41–3ubuntu12.5 from lucid-proposed repository.

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justinh:

tv-freak: that'll be one for #ubuntu maybe

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iamlindoro:

tv-freak: You'll need to talk to #mythbuntu about that

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tv-freak:

Ok

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andrewe:

justinh, I have one video source per each satellite, so I guess that's right.

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justinh:

if you can get a word in edgeways ;)

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justinh:

andrewe: yeah that sounds fine, but how have you made mythtv aware of the switch?

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andrewe:

When I added the capture card, I configured it with Diseqc.

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justinh:

FYI I've never used mythtv with dvb-s so I dunno exactly how to go on with that stuff

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justinh:

right

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justinh:

AFAIK there's a submenu with various options in there & you kinda define the 'tree' through there

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andrewe:

Yes, there is, looks like:

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andrewe:

Switch

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andrewe:

LNB

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andrewe:

LNB

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justinh:

righto

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justinh:

so is it just scanning you're having problems with?

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iamlindoro:

And have you set the LNBs to the proper type? That's a common mistake that causes tuning problems

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justinh:

in mythtv-setup you need to do a tuned scan, armed with a bit of tuning data which you have to enter

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andrewe:

justinh, no, not only, if I try to watch the channels they often don't deliver a signal.

[15:36:09]

andrewe:

iamlindoro, I set them to Universal (the voltage settings are the same as in kaffeine).

[15:36:33]

andrewe:

justinh, what exactly is a tuned scan?

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justinh:

I think you need to dig in the backend log & see what's going on

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andrewe:

where can I find that log?

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justinh:

a tuned scan is where you tell mythtv-setup the tuning parameters – frequency, modulation type etc

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justinh:

it can't do a blind scan for dvb-s as far as I know

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andrewe:

ok, that's what I did.

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justinh:

but seeing as you say you've managed to get channels into mythtv I'm assuming you've managed to do that

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justinh:

logs can live in different places but try looking in /var/log

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justinh:

and if you want folks here to look please use a pastebin, don't paste it all in here

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andrewe:

justinh, I found that log

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andrewe:

justinh, here we go: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/z1eQRtbT (I hope that I used pastebin correctly)

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andrewe:

justinh, btw, it's just an excerpt, but this error is shown many times in the log

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justinh:

those are just warnings

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justinh:

try pasting the whole log

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justinh:

users often miss things people here can spot a mile off ;-)

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andrewe:

just a second, I'm trying to paste it ...

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andrewe:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/37sLa9Xu

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justinh:

2010-07–29 20:55:56.840 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Your frequency setting (12480000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000) looks ominous

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andrewe:

hm, let me check that

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justinh:

if the freq really has too many zeros though I'd have expected myth to say it's an error not just warn you

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AndyCap:

950–2150 is what comes out of a normal LNB thouhg.

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andrewe:

AndyCap, with how many trailing zeroes?

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AndyCap:

Mhz.

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andrewe:

So, which unit does mythtv use?

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AndyCap:

andrewe: I was going to say kHz, but I'm not sure. And I don't know if calculating the downconverted frequency is your or mythtv's job for DVB-S

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andrewe:

justinh, I wonder if there shouldn't be a new entry in the log file each time I scan *and* fail to find any channels.

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AndyCap:

andrewe: from this it looks like myth should do that job http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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justinh:

myth uses khz IIRC

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AndyCap:

Heh http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S_does_not_wor . . . is_not_setup

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AndyCap:

and myth calculates the right frequency if it's correctly configured

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andrewe:

confusing

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andrewe:

I don't understand how I should configure that. Maybe as a Switch with switches???

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AndyCap:

what do you have?

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justinh:

AndyCap: he's got channels. it's just that *sometimes* apparently they don't work

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andrewe:

And scanning does not work, either, at least on the second lnb.

[16:19:29]

andrewe:

Is it true that I cannot reconfigure a card, but have to remove and add it again?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If it is, it would surprise me.

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andrewe:

What's the difference between Diseqc and Diseqc (uncommitted)?

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andrewe:

Thank you very much for your support, especially justinh.

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AndyCap:

iirc uncommited switches let the signal pass through to the next switch.

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andrewe:

AndyCap, so, it does not apply to setups with only one switch.

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AndyCap:

andrewe: well, I'm not sure how critical it is that the signaling you choose matches the type of switch you have

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andrewe:

AndyCap, ok, I'll stick with Diseqc (without "uncommitted").

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andrewe:

I'm tired, thanks guys, see you.

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Beirdo:

OK, I like the original recording of Nothing Else Matters much better than the S&M one

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sphery:

must be a different S&M than the one I've heard...

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Beirdo:

Metallica – S&M

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sphery:

ah, so maybe it is the same meaning

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Beirdo:

yeah ;) it's the double album they did with orchestra

[16:59:07]

sphery:

I thought you were talking about some movie or something

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you've been burnin up the old tickets today... well done.

[16:59:54]

sphery:

but not like when he closed some 200+ in a month

[17:00:00]

** sphery cracks the whip **

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Beirdo:

hehe

[17:00:17]

Beirdo:

yeah, but these aren't all "wontfix" either :)

[17:00:30]

Beirdo:

or "user is dumb" – closed

[17:00:30]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:00:36]

Beirdo:

I wish we had that choice

[17:00:44]

sphery:

heh, he actually fixed a lot of code before, too

[17:00:50]

Beirdo:

closed: pebcak

[17:00:58]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know :)

[17:00:59]

sphery:

but, yeah, there were a lot of ones closed otherwise

[17:01:17]

Beirdo:

we could probably add pebcak as a closure.

[17:01:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:01:22]

sphery:

heh

[17:01:38]

Beirdo:

or pebkac if ya want

[17:01:41]

Beirdo:

your choice

[17:02:08]

Beirdo:

ID-10T error?

[17:02:30]

dustybin:

idiot?

[17:03:03]

** dustybin goes back into silent mode **

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justinh:

permanently?

[17:04:47]

bjd:

wishful thinking

[17:07:40]

sphery:

this conversation makes me realize I need to see the movie Silent Running

[17:11:14]

Beirdo:

the Call of Ktulu with orchestra ain't all bad though :)

[17:11:40]

Beirdo:

it was instrumental to start with though

[17:13:58]

Beirdo:

I need a remotely controllable power unit for my DSL modem :)

[17:15:59]

sphery:

now you're making me want to play Arkham Horror

[17:18:41]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you mean you cant telnet into yours and powercycle it?

[17:20:07]

Beirdo:

hehe, let's hope not

[17:20:57]

wagnerrp:

hope not? why wouldnt you want telnet access?

[17:21:09]

wagnerrp:

and/or serial

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Beirdo:

no, because then the world can telnet to my DSL modem and reboot it too :)

[17:23:26]

Beirdo:

oh, you mean the power controller? :)

[17:23:49]

wagnerrp:

either

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Beirdo:

hehe

[17:24:01]

wagnerrp:

although mine is only accessible through the internal network

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wagnerrp:

i didnt mean internet access to it

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** wagnerrp complains about his hard drives being on the truck for over 12hrs **

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Beirdo:

ahhh, that wouldn't do me much good as I need *remote* :)

[17:25:17]

Beirdo:

i.e. kick it in the head from work

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wagnerrp:

why do you need remote?

[17:26:01]

Beirdo:

because my DSL is being a PITA. I'm at work. It's at home

[17:26:09]

Beirdo:

I can't just reach over and unplug it :)

[17:26:20]

wagnerrp:

you want to use the DSL to connect to a computer at home?

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Beirdo:

yes

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wagnerrp:

so the computer is running?

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rapture:

I return

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rapture:

With new problems

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Beirdo:

yes, same thing happened when I was in Philly

[17:27:19]

Beirdo:

I expect it's all the flapping last night that messed stuff up

[17:27:26]

wagnerrp:

so the computer is running some sort of daemon that pings your linode once a minute, and reboots the modem if it cannot access it

[17:27:38]

Beirdo:

my DSL modem dropped link about 20 times last night

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justinh:

does DSL stand for Darn Soggy Lines ?

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Beirdo:

some times it feels that way

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rapture:

Mythtv was working previously, despite other issues, today I select "watch TV" and am presented by a black screen with "Please wait...." followed by being returned to the menu. Something obvious?

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henkpoley:

rapture: if digital TV, that may happen when there's nothing on your cable/satellite-dish/antenna at the moment

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henkpoley:

otherwise a malfunction of the tv-recording hardware/driver

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wagnerrp:

rapture: check your backend logs for errors

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henkpoley:

(doh)

[17:36:53]

henkpoley:

should have mentioned that

[17:38:31]

rapture:

where does the backend log to?

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henkpoley:

to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log (for mythbuntu and gentoo at least)

[17:41:53]

wagnerrp:

the backend logs to wherever the startup script told it to

[17:42:08]

wagnerrp:

either by redirecting the output with a '>', or with the '-l' argument

[17:42:14]

henkpoley:

There can also be logs in the database, shown in the mythfrontend 'information' item

[17:42:16]

wagnerrp:

there is no default location

[17:42:39]

wagnerrp:

the database 'logging' is very minimal, and not likely to have much of consequence

[17:42:43]

Beirdo:

I need to remember to add -l blah to my wrapper scripts

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wagnerrp:

at most, you get things like recording and job start/stop times, and scheduler runs

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rapture:

seems to have been a directory permissions issue, sorted now

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wagnerrp:

mmm....

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** wagnerrp flies past 10TB **

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Beirdo:

heh

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** GadgetWisdomGuru doesn't have anywhere near 10TB of storage space **

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** Beirdo wishes **

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Beirdo:

I'd fill it though

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** GadgetWisdomGuru is reasonably certain his box of DVD exported video will decay and he will lose years of collecting **

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Beirdo:

might take me a wee bit of time, but I would

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Beirdo:

at this rate we might just be hitting [26000] by 0.24

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** wagnerrp starts emptying hard drives **

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wagnerrp:

now i just need to figure out which one is hooked up to channel 2

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** sphery has to decide how to deal with Beirdo's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25450 **

[18:33:54]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:34:14]

Beirdo:

not as much mine as my commit of someone else's patch (long overdue)

[18:34:32]

Beirdo:

as I actually USE the prefix religiously, it made sense

[18:34:36]

Beirdo:

what's the issue?

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sphery:

I install MythTV to /usr/local, but my @INC doesn't include /usr/local/lib/perl5 and Perl and MakeMaker know that, so they (properly) chose to install the Perl bindings to /usr/lib/perl5 .

[18:35:29]

sphery:

So I can either recompile Perl and set @INC to include /usr/local/lib/perl5

[18:35:35]

sphery:

or I can revert that patch on my local system

[18:36:12]

Beirdo:

or do it the way I do :)

[18:36:14]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:36:18]

Beirdo:

wrapper scripts

[18:36:51]

Beirdo:

as I vary my prefix for every branch I use... I have wrappers for mythfrontend, mythbackend, nuvexport

[18:37:18]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have a roadmap question

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Beirdo:

nuvexport STILL isn't installing based on prefix last I looked though

[18:37:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Are Storage Groups for MythMusic 0.24 or 0.25?

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sphery:

but wrappers for every mythtv perl script

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Beirdo:

I'd be happy to share my scripts with you later when I get home

[18:38:25]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[18:38:34]

Beirdo:

yeah, that could be annoying, but there are ways

[18:38:34]

sphery:

I may find a way to have the system check to see if $PREFIX/lib/perl5 is in the @INC, and only use PREFIX if it is

[18:38:56]

sphery:

where system = configure/install in mythtv

[18:39:03]

Beirdo:

or you could make the script add it

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sphery:

you can't add it

[18:39:14]

Beirdo:

right in each perl script... add @INC

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sphery:

ohh

[18:39:20]

Beirdo:

sure you can

[18:39:21]

sphery:

yeah

[18:39:36]

Beirdo:

stupid pathing issues

[18:39:42]

Beirdo:

they will be the death of us yet

[18:40:08]

Beirdo:

well, let me know what you dream up

[18:40:34]

sphery:

so it's either a) recompile perl and change its @INC, export a PERL5LIB env var in /every/ environment from which I execute MythTV Perl scripts, call perl with -I/usr/local/lib/perl5, modify scripts which use Myth Perl bindings to include "use lib ..." or BEGIN { push @INC,...} , or ???

[18:40:48]

Beirdo:

look in nuvexport to see how it's adding library paths in the script itself

[18:40:51]

sphery:

heh, stopped with the ordered list a), stuff :)

[18:41:02]

Beirdo:

or in any of the mythweather scrapers

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sphery:

I'll look at how it's deciding where to install stuff and see if there's a way that would make everyone happy

[18:42:17]

Beirdo:

sure thing

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Beirdo:

my wrapper script for nuvexport currently sets PERL5LIB, BTW

[18:43:28]

Beirdo:

my prefixes are /opt/mythtv/${git branch}

[18:43:31]

Beirdo:

basically

[18:46:46]

sphery:

I may just recompile perl...

[18:47:05]

Beirdo:

which for frontend/backend get worked into my PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH before calling mythbackend

[18:47:39]

sphery:

anyway, you pretty much had to commit that patch

[18:47:40]

Beirdo:

the fun of having like 10 branches on the go

[18:47:44]

Beirdo:

yup

[18:47:54]

Beirdo:

sorry it messed yer system up there

[18:47:54]

sphery:

it's come up about 10 times in the past and the users always say that letting MakeMaker decide is wrong

[18:48:04]

sphery:

because the user is always right--even if it breaks their systems :)

[18:48:42]

Beirdo:

*especially* when it breaks their systems

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sphery:

heh, yeah

[18:49:11]

Beirdo:

that's when I go into Red Foreman mode

[18:50:05]

Beirdo:

I can't believe they got away with calling people dumbass on that show for so long :)

[18:50:26]

sphery:

don't know what show that is

[18:50:33]

Beirdo:

That 70's Show

[18:51:06]

Beirdo:

and Kitty Foreman (the mom) reminds me SO much of my aunt...

[18:52:01]

Beirdo:

I don't THINK my cousins smoked pot in the basement, but other than that, it reminded me of them a lot :)

[18:55:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, http://pastebin.com/dqv42daD

[18:55:22]

sphery:

see the dates, too

[18:55:42]

Beirdo:

heheeh

[18:56:05]

sphery:

and note my comment about , "if it gets changed"

[18:56:27]

Beirdo:

yeah

[18:56:40]

Beirdo:

well, I just borked ya :)

[18:56:41]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:56:50]

sphery:

I always thtought, "perl installs the files where it thinks is correct" should be good enough for users, but...

[18:56:54]

sphery:

no big deal...

[18:57:03]

sphery:

the hard part is deciding how I want to handle it

[18:57:12]

Beirdo:

well, in this case, I don't think it IS good enough :)

[18:57:22]

Beirdo:

for most people, they won't futz with prefixes

[18:57:25]

sphery:

well, no, because they're still complaining

[18:57:32]

Beirdo:

but for those who DO...

[18:57:41]

sphery:

I'm not futz'ing with prefixes

[18:57:52]

sphery:

mythtv defaults to /usr/local, and that's what I use

[18:57:57]

Beirdo:

yeah

[18:58:24]

Beirdo:

but the perl bindings should be app-related (or those who need more than one version installed get SCREWED)

[18:58:38]

sphery:

and perl is only choosing /usr/local/ by default because that's how people configured their Perls

[18:58:42]

Beirdo:

yup

[18:58:53]

sphery:

(where "people" = distros configured for the people, so the people don't have a clue how it works)

[18:58:56]

sphery:

anyway...

[18:58:59]

Beirdo:

I basically just forced it to install it with mythtv rather than in perl's default

[18:59:20]

Beirdo:

in most configs that won't matter one bit, I'd bet

[18:59:25]

sphery:

this will make users happy, so I'll just bend my system to their will

[18:59:33]

Beirdo:

but if it does, I'll adjust crap :)

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sphery:

heh, yeah, for most users it shouldn't be a problem

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Beirdo:

oooh, another patch from danielk :)

[19:00:44]

Beirdo:

seems we are getting some momentum pulling up to this release

[19:01:16]

sphery:

http://search.cpan.org/dist/ExtUtils-MakeMake . . . aker/FAQ.pod , see "PREFIX vs INSTALL_BASE"

[19:02:36]

Beirdo:

find / -name MakeMaker.pm -exec rm {} \;

[19:02:48]

Beirdo:

piece of crumbly crap

[19:02:52]

sphery:

of course, that INSTALL_BASE thing makes no sense to me

[19:03:08]

Beirdo:

and no, for the record, do NOT run that command.

[19:03:09]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

sphery: not to worry, if I broke stuff, I'll fix it :)

[19:04:07]

sphery:

oh, man, I just looked up after running that command

[19:04:21]

sphery:

could have warned me first...

[19:04:29]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:04:39]

sphery:

Beirdo: no, it's not broken--more than anything, my system is what users would consider broken

[19:04:39]

Beirdo:

I know you're not that dumb :)

[19:04:57]

sphery:

(i.e. not the way their systems are--because they took whatever config they were given)

[19:05:36]

Beirdo:

perl is one of the most .... interesting.... things to package

[19:05:49]

Beirdo:

I still have nightmares sometimes from the Solaris package builds

[19:07:05]

Beirdo:

all the different modules using DESTDIR or INSTALL_BASE or PREFIX, and all in different ways

[19:07:13]

** Beirdo dropkicks the lot :) **

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sphery:

though I'm thinking maybe we do need to use INSTALL_BASE instead of PREFIX... http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/ExtUtils-Mak . . . INSTALL_BASE

[19:08:17]

Beirdo:

screw it :)

[19:08:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:08:31]

Beirdo:

you could be right though, but screw it

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it will come up again later.

[19:09:47]

Beirdo:

We'll make it all work somehow

[19:10:26]

sphery:

yeah, prefix is putting everything in one place on my system, so until someone finds that it's putting stuff in different places, what we have is fine

[19:10:37]

sphery:

and when they find it's wrong on their system, they can submit a patch :)

[19:10:46]

Beirdo:

yup

[19:10:59]

Beirdo:

and then we go through it all again :)

[19:11:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:22:58]

kormoc:

sphery, you know offhand how I could get mythfrontend to use config.xml and ignore the backend settings for dbUserName?

[19:23:25]

sphery:

kormoc: backend settings for it?

[19:23:46]

sphery:

mythfrontend should use config.xml if it exists in preference to mysql.txt

[19:24:08]

sphery:

but config.xml can only exist at $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml (or, technically, $MYTHCONFDIR/config.xml)

[19:24:08]

kormoc:

sphery, I realized digging in my sql logs that it'd be nice to have mythweb log into my db as mythweb, mythfrontend log in as mythfrontend, etc

[19:24:28]

kormoc:

so I set config.xml to log in as mythfrontend but on the frontend restart, it just overwrote it with the upnp info from the backend

[19:24:46]

sphery:

oh

[19:25:00]

sphery:

yeah, don't know if that's possible

[19:25:38]

wagnerrp:

does the XMLTV spec include fields for season and episode?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ttbomk, no: http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat + http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv/xmltv/xmltv.dtd

[19:27:58]

wagnerrp:

ah, i was looking for that but my searching was coming up empty

[19:28:00]

sphery:

there's xmltv_ns episode_num

[19:28:10]

sphery:

er, episode-num

[19:28:31]

sphery:

but most grabbers don't provide it

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sphery:

and what we get from SD is what they call the "onscreen" system

[19:31:14]

sphery:

so, I guess there's a place for it, but it's not often provided, and even when provided, it allows for lots of "missing info"

[19:32:58]

wagnerrp:

just wondering... per the wiki 'wish' for being able to edit recording metadata in mythweb, including adding season and episode numbers

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wagnerrp:

mmmm... files done transferring

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wagnerrp:

hour and a half to get everything back up and running

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I have a patch that allows editing description with the current edit title/subtitle dialog (and I'm just waiting on a multiline textedit before committing)

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wagnerrp:

id be in trouble if i ever lost my home folder

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sphery:

after that, I plan to modify program details to be mythui (not html), and have a "display" version and an "edit" version, where the latter allows editing any uesr-editable data

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wagnerrp:

thats only the second time ive ever had to type in my ident password

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wagnerrp:

oops... helps to bring the big bag of screws down to the basement with you when you intend to install a new hard drive

[19:43:24]

sphery:

I still want to know how you copied terrabytes of data so quickly...

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Beirdo:

got screws loose, eh?

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kormoc:

sphery, carrier pigeon

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

put the two drives together and hit them hard with a hammer, knocking all the bits from one drive to the other?

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Beirdo:

just be sure to put the "source" drive on top :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

I want to invent a drive cannon

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sphery:

makes sense that wuold be faster than having to move the bits over a wire

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Beirdo:

where you can put a 3.5" drive in there and fire it as a projectile

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Beirdo:

but rectangular cannon bores... not so easy :

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

make it like a mortar

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wagnerrp:

that was smart, i cleared off the only PATA drive i had in that system to free up a port for another SATA drive

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Beirdo:

hehhe

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Beirdo:

ooops

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Beirdo:

fire in the hole!

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wagnerrp:

may as well swap at that completely unused 6600 in there for something a bit lower power while im at it

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kormoc:

sphery, does the backend use mysql.txt to connect to the db?

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sphery:

it does if config.xml doesn't exist

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sphery:

config.xml is preferred, then we fall back to mysql.txt, IIRC

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kormoc:

sphery, but config.xml seems to only specify the frontend?

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sphery:

but it's all the same for all of them because it's all Myth*Context code

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

config.xml can have all of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . s/config.xml

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sphery:

including LocalHostName

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kormoc:

yeah, it's just nested into a MythFrontend chunk which seems odd for the backend to use for it's connection string

[20:00:23]

sphery:

plus the renderer stuff...

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sphery:

I should add that

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

that's a "designed for one thing, but then redone totally differently so that scripts could use it" file

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sphery:

maybe we should move it out of MythFrontend

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wagnerrp:

LocalHostName... i should start using that in the bindings

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sphery:

maybe we should tell the weak db connection guy to set that

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kormoc:

Some scripting and I have the FE connecting as MythFrontend, whee

[20:06:34]

sphery:

now just start modifying those DB perms to prevent the frontend from doing things it shouldn't

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sphery:

that's all that's required--I heard it here

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sphery:

(or on the list...)

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

it's a horrible way to do it, but it works for splitting up queries

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sphery:

yeah, makes sense for seeing who's doing what

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kormoc:

it would be really nice to get all the tools to run as mythtoolname, but oh well

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wagnerrp:

run as?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, connect to the database

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wagnerrp:

you can name yourself as a client?

[20:13:54]

kormoc:

it's a feature only I'd use :P

[20:14:03]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, database username

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wagnerrp:

oh

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kormoc:

I have my frontend connecting to the db as mythfrontend now

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wagnerrp:

and have different permission sets for different levels of usage

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kormoc:

that'd be nice, but I'm more for just tracing down who's doing what queue

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kormoc:

I'd love to have the scheduler run as mythschedule

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kormoc:

much easier to trace db execution paths that way

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kormoc:

but it's really just something I'd use

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wagnerrp:

agh... drive failed

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sphery:

new drive?

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sphery:

new drive?

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wagnerrp:

no, ive got my PSU split too many ways

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

and sometimes one of the drives doesnt come online on a reboot

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How many drives do you have in there?

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wagnerrp:

17

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sphery:

yeah, a friend has a similar issue

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, did you stager the drive spin ups?

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wagnerrp:

the ones on the RAID card are

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/02/spin . . . ard_dis.html

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wagnerrp:

i think 0.6s each

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sphery:

for the rest

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, depending on the drive, they might have jumpers on them to also stagger the spinup

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sphery:

kormoc: but don't you need to be able to tell something to send the appropriate command to spin it up

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sphery:

I have one drive with a jumper, but didn't think there was anything to send the spinup command without the RAID card

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kormoc:

sphery, nah, the drives themselves can do it if needed

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kormoc:

least with WD drives

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sphery:

so after BIOS when the OS is booting and tries to access it, it will spin itself up?

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kormoc:

nah, it just slows down the spin-up for the bios detection

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sphery:

oh, so some pre-set delay from bios probe?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

which is all I ever needed to slow down

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sphery:

if you have 3 WD Greens, then, would they all spin at the same time?

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kormoc:

as that power-up was the huge draw

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kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

hmmm.

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sphery:

might be useful for the guy I know

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sphery:

would delay 2 of his HDD spin ups

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kormoc:

(well, my drives had two jumpers, so you could stagger 3 levels, normal, delay 1 and delay 2)

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sphery:

but should be fine with the others spinning earlier

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sphery:

ah, I think the WD Green 2TB has one jumper

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sphery:

I thought it was PUIS/PM2, which everything I read said you needed controller support for actually enabling the drive after that

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kormoc:

I certainly had PM2 and it staggered them

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

to be fair, linux might have just started them up, as they weren't boot disks

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I learn a lot in here.

[20:25:31]

kormoc:

RPS is the new hotness, reduced power spin-up

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sphery:

ooh, fancy

[20:25:44]

sphery:

how's it work

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sphery:

just a slow acceleration to full speed?

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kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

cool idea

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sphery:

though it would be annoying when accessing an idle/spun-down drive

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kormoc:

it's in all their 2.5" drives iirc

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sphery:

if it's only on boot, it's cool

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kormoc:

it's really not that much slower

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sphery:

really?

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sphery:

cool

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kormoc:

something like 4.5 seconds normal vs 5 seconds RPS

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Does anyone spin down their recording drives when idle?

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Aye, default settings

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kormoc:

(usb drive)

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kormoc:

sphery, here's their spec (read marketing) sheet, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web . . . -ryiRYE6K37w

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sphery:

kormoc: this is what convinced me not to try the jumper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-up_in_standby , specifically, "PUIS requires corresponding BIOS support. If PM2 is enabled on the drive but not supported by the BIOS, the drive will not be detected by the system or detected as zero in size. PUIS is typically only supported on RAID Controllers."

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I know people who disable all power saving. That is why I asked.

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sphery:

and since wikipedia is never wrong...

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kormoc:

sphery, ahh, I donno, I have vanilla intel motherboards and they spun up with one of either mode set

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wagnerrp:

well i swapped the drive with issues with another one, hopefully the different location will fix the issue

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sphery:

I'll probably try it one of these days

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sphery:

or wagnerrp could just jumper his 3 for PM2

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wagnerrp:

this time, i just manually staggered them using the power button

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wagnerrp:

and it seems to be fine

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sphery:

how do you do that?

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wagnerrp:

with the power button... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817995004

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sphery:

oh

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have something like that

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wagnerrp:

i should probably check those jumpers to see if i actually have it enabled next time i take the machine down

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wagnerrp:

for all i know, my staggered spinup could do nothing

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wagnerrp:

its a 650W supply, it should have plenty of power

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kormoc:

sphery, around?

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sphery:

yeah

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kormoc:

datadirect speedup patch, http://pastebin.ca/1911428

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kormoc:

just wondering if you know offhand if that's valid to use %1 twice or not?

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wagnerrp:

in qt?

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sphery:

it is, though in MythTV code, it seems they prefer to just do %1 %2 %3

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kormoc:

so repeat the same arg twice?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

in a QString, it just replaces any instance

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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sphery:

now I want to listen to Steal My Sunshine

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** wagnerrp is clearing off 360GB of HDDVDs from the RAID **

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, you bought HDDVDs?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, like a year a go, bought a whole bunch

[21:02:12]

wagnerrp:

theyre dirt cheap, the shipping costs more than the movie itself

[21:02:51]

wagnerrp:

why spend $20 on a bluray, when you can get it for $2 on HDDVD

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

You own an HDDVD player then?

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wagnerrp:

no, just a ROM drive

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Ok

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wagnerrp:

i have a lot more, but ive been deleting them off the RAID as i run out of space for archived recordings

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But you have the archival copy, I assume?

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wagnerrp:

i have the disks still yes, but i had been putting them on a bunch of spare external drives

[21:09:44]

wagnerrp:

but now im moving them to a spare online 2TB drive

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Have I said how the tech/geekiness of the people in this room puts me to shame?

[21:16:54]

wagnerrp:

so porsche is now selling a hybrid

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah why not? they did sell the cayenne turbo s

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** wagnerrp loathes hybrid vehicles **

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Shadow__X:

i think jeremy clarkson made a pun about them creating it to cut down the cost of road taxes in england

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I like Hybrid... The Prius is a fun little car

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: what part do you hate about them? I love the fact that they really arent that great 50mpg is good but when they created gasoline cars that did between 40–50 easily already i think they should focus on amking things better instead of taking the easy way and just slapping an electric motor on it

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo, Shadow__X: ive got no complaints with electric cars, i think theyre great

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wagnerrp:

i loathe /hybrid/ vehicles

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Shadow__X:

ah ok i gotcha

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

you suck :)

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Shadow__X:

personally for the whole technical hybrid idea i liked the direction or atleast idea behind the chevy volt but i dont know how good it is any more

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Beirdo:

Oh fun

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kormoc:

I loathe the earth... 19 mpg on a good day!

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Shadow__X:

:(

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Beirdo:

now what was I gonna do....

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: what do you drive

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Shadow__X:

suv?

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Beirdo:

first thing to check... when's the first break in schedule

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I get about 16.5 normally... ;-) 2001 Tahoe

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, nah, a 2007 pontiac g6 gt htc with the sports package

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: the Volt is absolutely how electric vehicles should be built

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Beirdo:

dang, recording straight through to 11pm

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: ah ok

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and the leaf is absoutely how electric vehicles should not be built

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i remember when i read about it the first time it was great especially with the diesel motor i thought it would of been great but i think they lost a bit of efficiency switching to gasoline

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: and with proper economy of scale, the expensive parts (high power electric motor and generator) should come down in price to compete comparably with traditional vehicles

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wagnerrp:

im talking about the general idea of a diesel/gasoline-electric vehicle

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wagnerrp:

with an engine only sized to handle highway cruise

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i agree. It seemed like their projections were after the initial production run they could sell them for cheaper and still make a profit

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yup

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wagnerrp:

that in mind, the Volt's generator is a bit large

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that no one makes consumer grade, high output electric motors

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wagnerrp:

theyre all high torque industrial motors, and generally are steady state with no change in rpm

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wagnerrp:

so theyre having to develop these motors from scratch

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wagnerrp:

and those production costs are going to be amortized over the first couple years of vehicle

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Shadow__X:

which costs a good amount

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wagnerrp:

that and the battery packs are hugely expensive

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Shadow__X:

that they are

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Shadow__X:

still though i am not thrilled at the fact that we don't have a majority of cars at around 40mpg or atleast a good amount of them

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Beirdo:

OK. Anyways.

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Shadow__X:

they had cars that did over 50mpg in the early 90s

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Beirdo:

burn notice time

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Beirdo:

the VW Jetta Diesel

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: sure, but they were all little POS economy cars that spewed all sorts of emissions

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Beirdo:

umm

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Beirdo:

Jetta is hardly "little POS economy car"

[21:29:06]

Beirdo:

:)

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yes i fully agree but what i am saying is they could use better gearing and todays tech to make that model

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wagnerrp:

yes... yes it is

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sphery:

versus coal fired power plants that spew emissions?

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: if you are comparing it to a benz it is

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Shadow__X:

and a jetta is def a cheap car

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Beirdo:

no... it's a medium size POS economy car

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ok, you win

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Beirdo:

get it right :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

didn't Honda have a super-high-mileage gas-only car, too

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Shadow__X:

yeah the honda crx hf

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there were civic variants that would get 50+

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sphery:

yeah, that's it

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wagnerrp:

and then theres the hypermillers who could probably manage over 100

[21:30:53]

Shadow__X:

then they changed it into the honda hybrid version of the crx which got around 65mpg but was horrible to drive in manual

[21:31:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and, you know, if you increase gas mileage from 25mpg to 50mpg, it's just as good as increasing from 10mpg to 20mpg

[21:31:11]

sphery:

just doubles it :)

[21:31:17]

wagnerrp:

yep

[21:31:23]

** Beirdo compiles the mess of changes from the day **

[21:31:52]

sphery:

what do you mean by hypermiler? driving techniques?

[21:32:10]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[21:32:25]

sphery:

you can't double mileage with hypermiling (or was that your meaning?)

[21:32:35]

wagnerrp:

people that get up to speed, and turn the engine off

[21:32:39]

wagnerrp:

let it coast for miles on a flat road

[21:32:54]

wagnerrp:

real screwy (illegal, dangerous) crap

[21:33:15]

sphery:

it would slow down a lot faster than that, wouldn't it

[21:33:18]

Shadow__X:

yup even apparently pulsaiting to stay upto speed instead of cruisecontrol

[21:33:31]

sphery:

I mean if I hit the clutch even at 70, I start dropping speed pretty quick

[21:33:40]

Shadow__X:

sphery: not on a light car that has the bearings constantly greesed

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Beirdo:

not downhill :)

[21:33:52]

sphery:

true about downhill

[21:33:59]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you run on donuts to keep the rolling friction down, you dont go above 40 to keep aero drag down

[21:34:03]

sphery:

don't have the experience with a light car (mine's a pickup truck)

[21:34:09]

Beirdo:

my dad used to do that downhill...

[21:34:21]

wagnerrp:

pump up the pressure until youre risking a blowout

[21:34:23]

Beirdo:

top of the hill at 50mph, bottom at 80mph

[21:34:26]

Shadow__X:

starting the car back on just using the clutch if fun

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Beirdo:

OMG, my headache is still annoying me

[21:44:59]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, sorry to hear that.

[21:48:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... did the protocol version get bumped in 0.23-fixes to "23056"? I just brought one of my frontends up to the latest 0.23-fixes, and now it says "The server uses protocol version 56 but this client only understands 23056..." Umm...

[21:48:54]

wagnerrp:

yes

[21:49:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: well, that stinks, my backend is tied up recording right now... I didn't think things like that were supposed to change on a 'fixes' branch...

[21:50:20]

sphery:

not remembering previous instances does not constitute a rule :)

[21:51:01]

sphery:

on the bright side, you only have to go without mythfrontend for a couple hours while you record

[21:51:04]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, well, would you prefer the bug that it fixed?

[21:51:19]

sphery:

or you could just downgrade mythfrontend to the previous 0.23-fixes revision

[21:51:28]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, and we even pushed a new minor version with the protobump!

[21:51:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I guess I haven't followed the commits close enough to see what changed...

[21:52:55]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: the main reason we're not gleeful to hear people say, "I didn't think protocol version changed in -fixes" is because the rule has /always/ been same branch/same revision on all MythTV systems

[21:52:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Oh, 0.23.1 ? I guess I expected that to be something like 0.23.1-fixes ...

[21:53:13]

wagnerrp:

no, still 0.23-fixes

[21:53:19]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it's 0.23-fixes, not 0.23.0-fixes :P

[21:53:21]

wagnerrp:

the 0.23.1 is just a tag to a point on that branch

[21:53:39]

sphery:

or a snapshot of that branch :)

[21:54:08]

wagnerrp:

its up to the packages to properly handle the tag change

[21:54:16]

wagnerrp:

although we dropped the ball a bit on this one

[21:54:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok. Didn't mean to stir things up... I had thought that the proto never changed on a 'released' branch.

[21:54:32]

wagnerrp:

little/no warning to the packagers, and the minor revision didnt come until several dozen revisions later

[21:54:36]

sphery:

kormoc: is your vdpau failure like danielk's (in #mythtv )?

[21:55:09]

kormoc:

sphery, nope, I have a opengl failure, vdpau works great

[21:55:23]

sphery:

oh... I get confused sometimes :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, that's better... reverted to the version before the change, and at least I can watch Burn Notice now. ;-) I'll upgrade everything over the weekend...

[22:09:17]

Beirdo:

sphery: seems danielk's issue was a lack of distclean

[22:09:23]

Beirdo:

it hit me too :)

[22:10:13]

wagnerrp:

aww.... burn notice got something /so/ wrong

[22:10:13]

Beirdo:

recompiling, hopefully it should all be good

[22:10:17]

Beirdo:

shhhh

[22:10:25]

Beirdo:

no spoilers :)

[22:10:33]

sphery:

cool

[22:10:43]

[R]:

jersey shore 2 tonight!

[22:10:45]

Beirdo:

I was half-way through the show when my backend went wonky

[22:10:47]

[R]:

is everyone psyched?

[22:10:53]

Beirdo:

jersey shore?

[22:10:57]

Beirdo:

what's that?

[22:11:01]

Beirdo:

show-wise

[22:11:03]

[R]:

mtv's most awesome show

[22:11:08]

wagnerrp:

'vodka doesnt have enough energy to be considered a top grade explosive, but in some situations, its a lot easier to find than a brick of C4'

[22:11:13]

Beirdo:

Beavis & Butthead

[22:11:22]

wagnerrp:

vodka has /far/ more energy than C4

[22:11:32]

wagnerrp:

silly spies, chemistry is for scientists

[22:11:36]

Beirdo:

tastier to drink too

[22:11:53]

Beirdo:

that reminds me... I need a bottle for my freezer. It's feeling lonely

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dewman:

what does this mean? Besides the fact that I really screwed up? mythtv-backend main process (1603) terminated with status 127

[22:19:35]

Beirdo:

it means the backend died

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dewman:

woohoo... lovely..

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dewman:

so.. apparently my mission of getting some nvidia drivers to work correctly really messed things up....

[22:23:05]

kormoc:

the backend doesn't care about your drivers

[22:23:45]

dewman:

hmm... how about this, maybe some clues in here. http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/6iJyQ7AQ

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** wagnerrp hates thermal epoxy **

[22:33:36]

Beirdo:

stick some on a hybrid car.

[22:34:03]

Beirdo:

come ON, mythbox... finish recompiling :)

[22:37:43]

Cardoe:

hey guys. any jamu experts around?

[22:37:49]

Cardoe:

hey Beirdo. long time no see

[22:37:59]

Beirdo:

Yeah, Cardoe

[22:38:03]

wagnerrp:

i could give a shot at an answer, but i wouldnt consider myself an expert

[22:38:13]

Beirdo:

kormoc: check it out... Cardoe's alive :)

[22:38:18]

kormoc:

indeed

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Cardoe:

lies!

[22:38:43]

Cardoe:

So basically the issue I've got is that jamu is unhappy about my backend server name

[22:38:45]

Cardoe:

! Warning – Could not find setting 'BackendServerIP' on host 'meyer'

[22:39:10]

wagnerrp:

youre running it on a machine that does not have a backend

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sphery:

Cardoe: do you have a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

or, nvm

[22:39:24]

wagnerrp:

JAMU requires that it be run on the backend hosting the files

[22:39:25]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: I'm on my only backend

[22:39:39]

Cardoe:

The issue is that MythTV thinks my backend is "meyer.cardoe.com"

[22:39:45]

Cardoe:

but jamu thinks its just "meyer"

[22:40:01]

wagnerrp:

then you have some weird setting in your config.xml/mysql.txt that is changing your hostname

[22:40:10]

Cardoe:

http://dpaste.com/223348/

[22:40:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: now might be a good time to add that LocalHostName support? :)

[22:40:24]

wagnerrp:

mythtv and the python bindings (should) use the same mechanism to reading the hostname from the system

[22:40:43]

wagnerrp:

and at least on my gentoo systems, it only returns the hostname, not the FQDN

[22:41:12]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt has the following: LocalHostName=meyer.cardoe.com

[22:41:23]

sphery:

ah, so it is that

[22:41:28]

wagnerrp:

yep... was just talking about that a couple hours ago

[22:41:31]

Beirdo:

and there goes my stupid DSL again

[22:41:31]

wagnerrp:

seems its my fault

[22:41:32]

Cardoe:

This database has been upgraded from like 0.09

[22:41:53]

Cardoe:

So waaaaay back in the day the backend used the FQDN for some odd reason

[22:41:55]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it's like you tempted fate into finding you someone who had used LocalHostName

[22:42:19]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but it would probably still be broken (assuming the config.xml doesnt have that same setting)

[22:42:56]

sphery:

s/.*/just means that config.xml would be mandatory for that case/

[22:43:08]

Cardoe:

I don't know what to set in the config.xml to support that

[22:43:14]

Cardoe:

I can convert the system to "meyer"

[22:43:20]

wagnerrp:

nothing, the python bindings dont support that setting anyway

[22:43:24]

wagnerrp:

(yet)

[22:43:39]

Cardoe:

Last time I tried (it's been years) the machine misbehaved and the wife got angry

[22:43:44]

sphery:

Cardoe: it would be <LocalHostName>meyer.cardoe.com</LocalHostName>, but ... what he said

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sphery:

Cardoe: To change the hostname, you could a) shut down all mythtv systems, b) run http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend with mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="meyer.cardoe.com" --new_hostname="meyer"

[22:44:50]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: Well since you seem to be saying yet. I can test a patch whenever you hack one up

[22:45:02]

wagnerrp:

are you running trunk or -fixes?

[22:45:05]

sphery:

and c) remove the LocalHostName from your mysql.txt, then d) restart everything

[22:45:06]

Cardoe:

Running -fixes

[22:45:25]

Cardoe:

sphery: I think I'll do that for future cases.

[22:45:28]

wagnerrp:

aww

[22:45:40]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: If you got a patch for trunk, I'll backport it to -fixes

[22:45:57]

wagnerrp:

no, the code is completely different

[22:46:06]

wagnerrp:

both would have to be written from scratch

[22:46:23]

wagnerrp:

its actually not difficult to pull that value in

[22:46:33]

wagnerrp:

its digging out all the instances of socket.gethostname()

[22:47:25]

wagnerrp:

dont worry about it, ill put up patches for both branches sometime tonight

[22:48:07]

wagnerrp:

anyone have any experience with CPU die damage?

[22:48:42]

sphery:

I made a CPU die by damaging a pin on it :)

[22:48:50]

wagnerrp:

im trying to scrape off some thermal paste so i can re-seat it

[22:48:53]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: depends what goal is?

[22:49:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp: Use a good solvent.

[22:49:03]

wagnerrp:

and i just scratched off a bit of the edge of an exposed die

[22:49:11]

wagnerrp:

wondering if i just killed the GPU

[22:49:14]

sphery:

oh...

[22:49:14]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: you're probably ok

[22:49:27]

Cardoe:

you can go a LONG way

[22:49:36]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: you're talking about the black stuff right?

[22:49:57]

Cardoe:

The chalky feeling part

[22:50:10]

wagnerrp:

ive just heard horror stories of people killing old AMD processors by crushing a bit of the corner when putting heatsinks on

[22:50:43]

sphery:

most say to use a good 95% isopropyl alcohol, but it doesn't tend to work for me, so I use something most would say you shouldn't, then use isopropyl alcohol to wash off the other solvent :)

[22:50:52]

wagnerrp:

talking about the silvery reflective stuff on the top

[22:50:54]

sphery:

Ronsonol ftw!

[22:51:16]

Beirdo:

don't forget the flame after...

[22:51:18]

kormoc:

Everclear!

[22:51:19]

Beirdo:

oh wait

[22:51:20]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

[22:51:21]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: oh you're totally ok

[22:51:41]

sphery:

kormoc: what a waste of everclear

[22:51:53]

kormoc:

sphery, just drink it up afterwards

[22:51:57]

Beirdo:

yeah, we'd have to go to Oregon and get you more

[22:52:15]

sphery:

mmmm... thermal-pasty everclear

[22:52:15]

wagnerrp:

i guess ill get to that patch then

[22:52:25]

Beirdo:

patchy patchy

[22:52:40]

sphery:

besides, who needs a GPU for working on Python bindings

[22:52:42]

wagnerrp:

never expected bugs to pop up hours after discussing it... after years of it never being supported

[22:53:07]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:53:11]

sphery:

wagnerrp: see, the problem is that you /anticipated/ the problem--thereby inviting the problem

[22:54:34]

Beirdo:

the problem was too much thinking, not enough drinking

[22:54:44]

Cardoe:

Well I've had the issue forever... I just now got around to asking you guys

[22:55:01]

Cardoe:

But maybe you talking about it made me think of it

[22:55:08]

Beirdo:

good to see you on, Cardoe

[22:55:21]

Beirdo:

you've been hibernating a lot or something

[22:55:38]

Cardoe:

Just been wicked busy. Been neglecting Gentoo a little as well.

[22:56:16]

Beirdo:

it happens

[22:56:40]

** Beirdo glares at the mythbox **

[22:56:42]

Cardoe:

Since I changed jobs and I don't have a boss that has several MythTV machines at his house

[22:56:45]

Beirdo:

compile faster!

[22:57:15]

Cardoe:

Beirdo: sure you don't have wagnerrp's crushed processor that's leaking bits out of its broken corner?

[22:57:20]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:57:24]

Beirdo:

pretty sure

[22:57:42]

Beirdo:

but I had to make distclean... and cleaned out the ccache cache

[22:57:50]

Beirdo:

so it takes a while

[22:59:28]

Beirdo:

hmmm, where to look for the conversion of frame # to time...

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dewman:

ahh...think I am on to something here, I tried to kick off the backend and it complains about: error while loading shared libraries: libvdpau.so.1: cannot open shared object f

[23:03:48]

Beirdo:

2010-07–29 20:02:48.006 Scheduled 1148 items in 18.1 = 10.71 match + 7.38 place

[23:03:52]

Beirdo:

oy

[23:06:38]

Cardoe:

dewman: the backend depends on components which depend on graphics. therefore, if you've built your MythTV with VDPAU support, you need to provide it

[23:06:48]

Cardoe:

dewman: what distro?

[23:08:46]

dewman:

Cardoe, no I never had vdpau, started with onboard intel video and then moved to a pci nvdia fx5700LE. Just got legacy drivers working tonight, but I think in the midst of everything of installing and purging I really borked the system. using mythbuntu

[23:10:00]

Cardoe:

dewman: well you've got to remember that Mythbuntu is precompiled on a central machine. They're going to add in all possible support in the package. So while you might not have a graphics card with VDPAU so have no interest in that support. Your distro supports it for the guy next door that wants/needs that support.

[23:11:03]

Cardoe:

dewman: So just do apt-get install libvdpau1

[23:11:08]

Cardoe:

dewman: you should be set after that

[23:12:21]

dewman:

wooohoo...Dang that was to easy.

[23:12:30]

dewman:

Cardoe, Thanks! =)

[23:12:40]

Cardoe:

dewman: np

[23:13:09]

dewman:

It was already installed so I didnt think about re-installing it..

[23:13:27]

Cardoe:

somehow the file must have gotten nuked or messed up

[23:13:33]

Cardoe:

but reinstalling made it all better

[23:15:34]

dewman:

yepper...Wife will be happy...

[23:16:15]

Cardoe:

angry wife = bad

[23:16:40]

dewman:

thanks again....off to bed...

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kormoc:

sphery, if you have the time to test some index improvements, http://pastebin.ca/1911499

[23:21:02]

kormoc:

(or anyone else)

[23:21:09]

kormoc:

should speed up mythfilldatabase

[23:26:54]

Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: any chance we can get frame rate dropped into the recordedmarkup along with resolution?

[23:27:36]

Beirdo:

trying to determine how to get the framerate of a recording.... I don't REALLY want to load up NVP just to get the frame rate

[23:27:46]

kormoc:

we have resolution already

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Beirdo:

yeah

[23:28:18]

Beirdo:

I was just thinking, tack on another type for the frame rate, be done with it

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Beirdo:

then I can easily pull it back out

[23:31:01]

Beirdo:

eek

[23:31:12]

Beirdo:

recordedmarkup.data is an int

[23:31:21]

Beirdo:

so maybe framerate*100 :)

[23:31:49]

kormoc:

frames per minute!

[23:31:55]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

[23:32:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:32:15]

wagnerrp:

you could always fake it

[23:32:23]

wagnerrp:

last keyframe index divided by total time

[23:32:38]

Beirdo:

hmmm, could

[23:32:52]

Beirdo:

I think I'd rather add it in commflag though :)

[23:33:07]

Beirdo:

24.976

[23:33:09]

Beirdo:

argh

[23:33:14]

Beirdo:

framerate*1000

[23:33:20]

Beirdo:

and that's my final answer

[23:34:18]

Beirdo:

oh, should install the updated mythweb too

[23:34:59]

Beirdo:

since kormoc went to all the trouble of tweaking it :)

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Cardoe:

Beirdo: still using handrolled ebuilds?

[23:37:42]

Cardoe:

wagnerrp: need a hand? I'm trying to hack up the stuff for -fixes

[23:37:53]

Beirdo:

ebuilds? no

[23:38:04]

Beirdo:

ubuntu... but with trunk code :)

[23:38:04]

wagnerrp:

na, more need to finish watching futurama and actually get to it

[23:38:06]

wagnerrp:

:)

[23:38:06]

Cardoe:

Beirdo: gave up on Gentoo long ago?

[23:38:14]

Beirdo:

yeah, quite some time back

[23:38:28]

Beirdo:

just too much hands on messing about for my liking

[23:38:30]

Cardoe:

my frontend right now is actually Ubuntu

[23:38:34]

Beirdo:

I get enough of that at work :)

[23:39:03]

Beirdo:

although, as I develop in myth... I run trunk and hand-build anyways

[23:40:21]

Cardoe:

I still need to fix the MythTV Branch: setting for Gentoo ebuilds

[23:40:45]

Cardoe:

I can't seem to get the correct voodoo to make the build process happy

[23:41:17]

Cardoe:

Gentoo's using straight SVN checkouts

[23:41:25]

Cardoe:

but its an svn export

[23:42:02]

kormoc:

exports kill the svn info we use to pull it out

[23:43:03]

Cardoe:

kormoc: yeah I know. But there's a way to drop something in there like the official tarballs do

[23:46:04]

Cardoe:

kormoc: e.g. VERSION file in the top level is respected

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Cardoe:

actually the behavior of that script looks tweaked

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