Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 30th, 2010, 00:03 AST

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wagnerrp:

ugh

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** wagnerrp broke something **

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Beirdo:

makin omlettes, are we?

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wagnerrp:

the event thread isnt starting up

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** wagnerrp tries to figure out how code he wrote months ago works **

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wagnerrp:

says its running, i see the handler still registered

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ain't coding fun?

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: hop into ring 0 and set EIP where you want it

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wagnerrp:

woosh

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Beirdo:

get in the ring....

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Beirdo:

oh wait, that's different

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wagnerrp:

Cardoe: that went so far over my head, i couldnt tell if it were a joke or not

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: ok off to watch some TV with the wife. But if you get that patch hacked up, I'll happily test it anytime.

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: sorry :( bad hardware joke

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Cardoe:

ring 0 = kernel code... e.g. full access to anything and everything

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wagnerrp:

ive got the patch for trunk, but i need to fix jamu/mirobridge

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wagnerrp:

knew about ring0, and i figure EIP is some register

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Cardoe:

EIP is the instruction pointer

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Beirdo:

extended instruction pointer :)

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wagnerrp:

im a bit concerned about fixing this in -fixes, since new jamu would not work with old bindings

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wagnerrp:

but i guess thats not significant concern, since the two should be bundled together

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: well feel free to kick over the trunk patch... I'll play

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Cardoe:

I just don't wanna write code and implement it differently from how you'd make it

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/python.localhostname.patch

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Cardoe:

woot! thanks

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wagnerrp:

it basically just shifts all gethostname calls into the DBCache class

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wagnerrp:

i would do something similar to -fixes, but since those structures have all changed, it will have to be from scratch

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wagnerrp:

but like i said, thats the simple part

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wagnerrp:

the hard part is just rooting out all those calls in the external code and replacing them

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wagnerrp:

and i broke event handling a couple days ago, just noticed it now

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Cardoe:

think I'm gonna get a connection time out

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Cardoe:

apache turned off?

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wagnerrp:

oh? has my ip changed?

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wagnerrp:

yes it has

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wagnerrp:

when did that happen...

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Cardoe:

looks like you're 66.42.242.254 now

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wagnerrp:

yep

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Cardoe:

cable modem?

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wagnerrp:

dsl

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: Do the hack I do... points www.wagnerrp.com at wagnerrp.dyndns.org via a CNAME

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wagnerrp:

technically ive got half a dozen IPs

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Cardoe:

and have wagnerrp.dyndns.org updated by a box at your house

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wagnerrp:

only one that seems to have changed is the one bound to the web server

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Cardoe:

weird

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wagnerrp:

i swear, godaddy keeps changing their site to make you have to dig deeper to get into your DNS settings

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wagnerrp:

and wtf is this popup

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Beirdo:

heeh, technically, I have more IPs than all of IPv4 put together

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

dyndns now lets you control your TTL?

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wagnerrp:

last time i used it, there was 'dynamic' which was like half an hour, and 'static' which was a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

oh, 60 seconds

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats a lot shorter than my half-hour timeouts on godaddy

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Beirdo:

godaddy and UrMom?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'm in an odd mood, I think

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wagnerrp:

well, scratch that bit about that being the hard part

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo impatiently waits for 10pm to bounce the backend **

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[R]:

10pm

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[R]:

jersey shore 2!

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youre going to miss 'the situation'

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Beirdo:

what situation?

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wagnerrp:

/the/ situation

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** Beirdo has no idea WTH wagnerrp is smoking :) **

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[R]:

Beirdo: just google "the situation"

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[R]:

i bet theres some awesome image hits

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Beirdo:

oh bah

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wagnerrp:

do i even have mtv on my lineup?

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[R]:

i dont have espn

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Beirdo:

Jersey Shore sounds like a show I'd hate

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[R]:

and it confused my friend when he came over last time

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wagnerrp:

looks like i do

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[R]:

he wanted to watch some type of sporting event i think

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wagnerrp:

i actually thought i had blanked that from my SD lineup

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[R]:

i think my lineup is like 3/4 cleared

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Beirdo:

the only things I removed were shopping networks, PPV and channels I don't get

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Beirdo:

OK, these constant H.264 errors are so annoying

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Beirdo:

kormoc: does your commflagging spew them too?

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[R]:

i just ignore them

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kormoc:

Beirdo, aye

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Beirdo:

OK, so it's not just me :)

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Beirdo:

hehe. I would really like to see those bugger off.

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Beirdo:

the files are fine, regardless of what libavcodec or whatever thinks

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[R]:

so hax0r the lib

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Beirdo:

along with the Gibson

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** wagnerrp wants a glowing pillar file system **

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wagnerrp:

Cardoe: ive got updated versions in the repository for both trunk and -fixes

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: awesome. Thanks! just got done watching TV with the wife and was about to dive in

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wagnerrp:

HDHR on woot for $85

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[R]:

i thought you said hdpvr

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[R]:

i was like "wtf mate"

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kormoc:

it's still a wtf

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kormoc:

it's almost half off

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kormoc:

and really tempting for me to grab one

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[R]:

and its the dual tuner

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wagnerrp:

new too

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wagnerrp:

not a refurb

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[R]:

if i neeeded it

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[R]:

but i don't

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kormoc:

but you could use it

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[R]:

Nerds and sports. It’s as natural as peanut butter and chocolate.

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[R]:

i don't get it

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[R]:

kormoc: i already have a pci qam tuner... and i never have conflicts... so not really

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wagnerrp:

im usually fine with my one HDHR, ive only occasionally spilled over to my 1250, and never needed a fourth

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wagnerrp:

maybe if i were recording off an antenna, i could use a fourth

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wagnerrp:

but pulling through cable, theres really only two muxes i ever use

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Beirdo:

I hope this works

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

I am adding frame rate detection into H264Parser.cpp

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Beirdo:

thank you ITU.T for publishing the spec for free

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wagnerrp:

oh, i thought you were trying to kick some random person out of the channel

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** wagnerrp waves bye to And4713 **

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wagnerrp:

never knew what hit him...

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** kormoc waits for 11:30 to see if his scheduler changes work **

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kormoc:

my raw sql tests show a 48% improvement, but who knows if it's right... :P

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Beirdo:

kormoc: don't ya hate that? :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, nice

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[R]:

is consuming raw sql bad for your health?

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kormoc:

only the BFQ type

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[R]:

bfq?

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Beirdo:

big frigging query?

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kormoc:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

bad fu--- query?

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kormoc:

aka the scheduler

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's a BFQ

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[R]:

oh

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kormoc:

4289 characters long, tis all

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Beirdo:

not much :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

dangit.

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Beirdo:

I have to wait for MIDNIGHT?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: couldnt you just manually issue a scheduler run?

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Beirdo:

recording Trailer Park Boys

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Beirdo:

bah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, got to bounce the backend for the code to take effect

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Beirdo:

2010-07–29 23:19:22.972 dtvrecorder: frame rate = 60

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

OK, it actually worked?!

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Beirdo:

it's printing it once per frame though

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Beirdo:

oops

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Beirdo:

poor drive's going crazy

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Beirdo:

WOOOHOOO

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

so I have code in for dtvrecorder, both MPEG2 and H.264

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Beirdo:

it will store the framerate into recordedmarkup

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

quick break, and I'll check to see what other recorders need it

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Beirdo:

this is gonna be one monster patch

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** wagnerrp has already filled a third of his new hard drive **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

slow down :)

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wagnerrp:

no, its all stuff i had backed up offline as i ran out of space

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kormoc:

old: Scheduled 2895 items in 16.3 = 0.00 match + 16.33 place, new: Scheduled 2895 items in 10.1 = 0.22 match + 9.86 place

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Beirdo:

you don't need 1080i in raw video :)

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

kormoc: nice

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Beirdo:

thats a significant speedup

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kormoc:

and that's in a debug build :)

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Beirdo:

nice

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kormoc:

[25498]

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kormoc:

now that's a huge patch

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

that's it? :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

if the program has already ended, don't bother attempting to schedule it

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wagnerrp:

looks like im going to be keeping these drives independent, they wont be going into any future RAID

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wagnerrp:

theyre the EARS units, which have a 4k block size, but will only present the normal 512b block size to the system

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wagnerrp:

which causes funkiness in ZFS's dynamic striping

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Beirdo:

eww

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Beirdo:

sucky

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wagnerrp:

i only ever intended them for bulk storage, so im not /that/ concerned

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sphery:

wagnerrp: is that why fdisk'ing them a couple of times can create slightly different-sized partitions (off by 4K or so)

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wagnerrp:

ive not heard of that one

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sphery:

nor have I--I just saw it

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justinh:

huh – Mythtv Contractors Google group now?

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sphery:

unfortunately, I can't prove it, because the one (of 3) 2TB HDD's that fdisk'ed differently got a corrupt sector where the filesystem master block was written, so it's since been re-fdisk'ed and formatted and the 2nd time it got the same size as the other 2

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sphery:

(all WD Greens)

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sphery:

also made me wonder if that was why the file system got corrupted...

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kormoc:

if it's exposing 512 byte sectors, it shouldn't appear any different at all

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kormoc:

if it's exposing 4k sectors, you just need to partition the first offset slightly higher for it to align correctly and it's all good

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that its exposing them, but thats not reality

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wagnerrp:

so your MBR takes the first 7.875 blocks

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sphery:

these aren't shingled sectors are they?

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wagnerrp:

and every subsequent partition after that is wrong

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kormoc:

just start your partition at 64 rather then 63, problem solved

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: right.... you just need to know that you need to do that ahead of time

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kormoc:

you have more then one drive... :P

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wagnerrp:

?

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kormoc:

can't migrate data off of it again and redo the partition?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt partition

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think, also, that if you really want 4K sectors, you need to jumper pins 7&8

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/e . . . 2C294#jumper , under "Adv Format"

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kormoc:

you're doing raw zfs devices eh? that's brave

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sphery:

though check the drive carefully to make sure that's the right spec sheet

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sphery:

(since I don't see the delayed spinup on that one)

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wagnerrp:

no, that jumper tells it to internally reformat itself to be true 512b blocks

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Beirdo:

"you should call the dumb-ulance"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

Trailer Park Boys++

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sphery:

wagnerrp: this makes it sounds like Adv Fmt is 4K blocks: http://computingondemand.com/what-is-advanced . . . ector-drives

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: the problem is that ZFS does no partitioning

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sphery:

guess the WD sheet uses opposite terminology?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you and your ZFS :)

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wagnerrp:

it has a dynamic block size, and if it thinks you have 512b blocks, it will automatically scale in 512b increments

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but you can partition and afaik that's the recommended way for linux

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Beirdo:

linux?

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Beirdo:

oO

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Beirdo:

I think he's doing this on freebsd

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wagnerrp:

im not partitioning it, so there is no 63block mbr offset i have to worry about

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that ZFS /thinks/ it can partition at 512b because the disk tells it so, and theres no way to inform it otherwise

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kormoc:

but you could partition it and fix the issue...

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

oh, I finally figured out that it's saying (without saying, of course) that jumpering pins 7/8 /disables/ Adv Format

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Beirdo:

this show is SO not channel-friendly

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sphery:

nice docs, there WD

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sphery:

I don't care what a certain 22TB resident says, I like my Seagate, "We're not SMART," drives

[03:29:37]

kormoc:

sphery, it does specify it's for windows xp specifically

[03:29:56]

sphery:

yes, but it doesn't say, "Disables Adv Format"

[03:30:02]

sphery:

it labels it "Adv Format"

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Beirdo:

I'll take the Seagate SMRT smart drives too, generally :)

[03:30:21]

sphery:

and since I don't /expect/ them to explain how to configure for GNU/Linux, I have to try to read between the lines

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sphery:

which is hard when they don't say what they're saying

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sphery:

my drive is claiming 512B sectors, too

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sphery:

per fdisk -lu /dev/sdb ... Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes

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sphery:

and the difference in fdisking was likely the start@63 vs start@64

[03:32:48]

sphery:

so is it bad if it starts @63?

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sphery:

kormoc said something about it not being aligned?

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wagnerrp:

yes, the block sizing has to do with the ECC data

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wagnerrp:

think of it like RAID5

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wagnerrp:

you have a block of data followed by ECC data

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sphery:

so do I need to repartition mine?

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kormoc:

sphery, basically if it's offset, you have to read 2 4k blocks to verify the data vs 1

[03:34:11]

kormoc:

you have that jumper set?

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wagnerrp:

the filesystem is designed to write an entire block at once, so you can just write the ECC data as well

[03:34:15]

sphery:

so repartitioning would be good

[03:34:19]

sphery:

no, no jumper on it

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wagnerrp:

if you write <4K, you have to read the existing data, and then write out the new ECC data

[03:34:39]

wagnerrp:

the write-read-write issue with RAID5

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sphery:

it must be doing that "auto" garbage wagnerrp mentioned

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kormoc:

yeah, you should realign it and tell your FS that it's 4k block size

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sphery:

tell filesystem when I do a mkfs?

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kormoc:

aye

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sphery:

well, on the bright side, it's only 780GB

[03:35:44]

sphery:

now to find a place to put it all so I can repartition and reformat

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wagnerrp:

but like kormoc states, if its misaligned by that 512b block, /all/ write operations will suffer from that write-read-write issue

[03:35:54]

wagnerrp:

and you will have huge performance losses

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sphery:

that would explain the 20min to mkfs

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

but for mythtv's purposes of largely immutable data

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wagnerrp:

it probably doesnt matter that much

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sphery:

yeah, it hasn't been a problem, yet

[03:36:45]

sphery:

but I can't leave it "broken"

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sphery:

even if it's not hurting anything

[03:36:58]

sphery:

so why doesn't it just do the right thing?

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wagnerrp:

you write with reduced performance, and let it sit for years

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sphery:

I've never had to be smarter than my HDD before

[03:37:14]

wagnerrp:

because WD decided not to have the firmware report the proper information

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Beirdo:

WD--

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wagnerrp:

instead relying on windows vista/7 which 'know' how to handle it

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kormoc:

nah, it's a 512E drive

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sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking you all were playing a joke on me when you made fun of me for buying Seagate

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kormoc:

it's specced to claim 512 sectors, as do the seagate 512e drives

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sphery:

and now that I finally got a WD, you're all laughing at my expense

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wagnerrp:

i think vista/7 just automatically assume a 4K block always

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kormoc:

we're in a transition period, once we move to the full adv format drive spec, it'll be right

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wagnerrp:

so the disks are set up such that they will work on all windows systems by default

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kormoc:

it's just too much legacy stuff out there

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sphery:

so I don't need to do anything to the drive itself to tell it to use 4K?

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kormoc:

nope

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wagnerrp:

its doing that already

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sphery:

it will just do it if I partition "aligned"

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wagnerrp:

its just reporting that its using 512b

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wagnerrp:

so linux/bsd/whatever assumes the drive is not lying

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kormoc:

it maps in the drive firmware the 512b to the correct 4k one

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sphery:

So what's this about getting 11% more usable space?

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wagnerrp:

more lies

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kormoc:

who claimed that?

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wagnerrp:

by only doing ECC on 4K blocks, there is less redundancy, so there is more recovered data space

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sphery:

the internet did

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wagnerrp:

but its still a 2TB drive

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sphery:

http://computingondemand.com/what-is-advanced . . . ector-drives

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wagnerrp:

it just means there is less physical storage space internal to the disk

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sphery:

"With Advanced Format Technology an increase of format efficiency of 87% from the 512 byte sectors has been improved to a format efficiency of 96%. The format efficiency gains can allow for an 11% increase in usable disk space while improving the error correction burst rate by 50%."

[03:40:59]

sphery:

though--from their own description--it makes no sense

[03:41:03]

wagnerrp:

WD can sell you the same amount of space with a lower density

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sphery:

i.e. before is 8x512B and after is 1x4KiB, so... where's the 11%

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kormoc:

they're claiming the intersector gaps are now 'usable'

[03:41:42]

kormoc:

but that's just not true

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wagnerrp:

before it was 8x512+64, while now its 1x4096+256

[03:41:57]

wagnerrp:

or something like that

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

that's what the pic looks like, too

[03:42:10]

wagnerrp:

there is less overall ECC data on the disk

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sphery:

(where that web site stole the pic and some of the text--but not the "interpretation"--directly from WD's sheet)

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kormoc:

but the extra space is used in the remappable area for bad sectors

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sphery:

heh, funny

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kormoc:

rather then remapping 512 bytes, you have to remap 4k now

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sphery:

glad I have real tech experts to tell me when the Internet is wrong

[03:43:11]

sphery:

this is why I do software and not hardware

[03:43:15]

sphery:

hardware is, er, hard

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Beirdo:

that's what she said

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

now I want to watch The Office

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sphery:

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/e . . . ;p_topview=1

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sphery:

(sorry for the URI-athon)

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Beirdo:

OMG, nasty URL

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sphery:

Can I install a WD Advanced Format Drive on a non-Windows Operating System?

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kormoc:

ooh, so on a non-debug mythbackend build, my scheduler was running at 8 to 12 seconds and is now running at 3 to 7 seconds

[03:44:25]

sphery:

which says exactly what you guys said

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sphery:

kormoc: but have you fixed gbee's and This Other Guy's?

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sphery:

:D

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kormoc:

sphery, heh, I can't reproduce it :(

[03:45:13]

kormoc:

even going back to myisam

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sphery:

yeah, I have no clue what could cause that

[03:45:45]

sphery:

mine seems fine

[03:45:49]

sphery:

and it's always been MyISAM

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sphery:

maybe I should have them backup/drop/restore

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sphery:

:)

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kormoc:

If my last patch helps their scheduler time, it's something with the program table, if it doesn't, it's something else

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Beirdo:

hehe, that's deep

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sphery:

I have heard many users (including some dev users) complain of "slow MythTV" which seems more like extraordinarily bad performance from MySQL. I've been wondering if the distros are doing something wrong in config.

[03:47:55]

kormoc:

gbee had a *huge* number of non-indexed joins

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kormoc:

those are bad, m'kay

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Beirdo:

that's an app issue, no?

[03:48:28]

Beirdo:

as in we have stupid queries somewhere?

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kormoc:

well, could be queries, could be too small of buffers

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Beirdo:

ah

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I turned on my processing to full bore tonight (hence the two speedups)

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kormoc:

nothing sticks out as horrible

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sphery:

kormoc: his tuning report did say something about increasing the buffer size for cache

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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kormoc:

sphery, care to dump a clean, updated schema somewhere?

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kormoc:

sphery, yeah, but mine is same sized, so I'm hesitant to say that'd solve it

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

clean, updated schema with no data?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

I know mine is slightly non-vanilla

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sphery:

give me a couple minutes to create one

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kormoc:

it'd be nice to be able to compare theirs with a known clean one to verify it's not a schema issue

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kormoc:

Yerg, it's late, I gotta sleep

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sphery:

kormoc: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythconve . . . 35441.sql.gz

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kormoc:

snaz, thanks much

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sphery:

just initialized with mythtv-setup (and trunc'ed keybindings)

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

ahh, should have thought of that myself actually

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sphery:

no plugin schemas in there

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sphery:

well, it's easy for me to drop/restore my dev db

[03:57:20]

sphery:

depending on your setup, it may be much more challenging for you

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sphery:

(i.e. if you're working on a production system)

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, I need to setup a dev vm

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kormoc:

yeah, I do

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sphery:

yeah, so feel free to ask me to do db-destructive things

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kormoc:

makes it... fun and exciting when a restart and something goes wrong :P

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sphery:

I'd much rather kill my schema than yours

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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kormoc:

and I need zZzZzZz's

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kormoc:

night all!

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sphery:

g'night--and thanks for looking into this

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Beirdo:

night, kormoc

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sphery:

and for the help with the HDD

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Beirdo:

you're kickin ass :)

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sphery:

and thank you wagnerrp

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sphery:

now I just have to find 780GB of temp storage...

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Beirdo:

heheh

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** Beirdo patiently waits for the recording to end **

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sphery:

as wagnerrp said, "right.... you just need to know that you need to do that ahead of time"

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sphery:

much easier to do it right in the first place

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sphery:

hmmm... I have 818GB on a 2TB on my remote backend, and my remote backend isn't needed for recording, tomorrow, so I can shut down mythbackend on it and rsync back and forth without worrying about time

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** sphery starts the rsync'age **

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sphery:

heh, if you forget the hostname on the rsync "to" address, it doesn't do what you want

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justinh:

damn these programs that don't read our minds

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

git mergetool is my friend

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Beirdo:

markk started changing around some videodecoder stuff :)

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Beirdo:

all fine and dandy, but it broke one of the patchsets I have applied here

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hot_wheelz:

How does somone attach a nick to the logs that mythbuntu log grabber produces and then posts to mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you can id them easyly rather than being Anonymous all the time?

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Beirdo:

how would we know?

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Beirdo:

#mythbuntu MIGHT know, but this is mythtv, not mythbuntu :)

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

my merge borked it

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Beirdo:

what did I miss?

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hot_wheelz:

+Beirdo tried there no answer...Just thoght i'd try here while waiting

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justinh:

time to make us a PoE wattmeter

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Beirdo:

better that than a POS one

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

it's a PoE wattmeter for PoS products

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justinh:

because apparently our engineers are incapable of estimating power consumption of things

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

hmmm seems Robert Llewellyn's Car Pool podcast has been picked up & turned into a tv show by Five

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oobe:

that's terrible

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justinh:

how so?

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justinh:

I think he was only doing the podcast in the first place as a kind of pilot

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oobe:

oh i meant that's excellent

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oobe:

i get those 2 things confused

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justinh:

riiiight

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oobe:

sorry i dont actually no who that guy is im just being silly

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justinh:

he played Kryten in Red Dwarf

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oobe:

awesome

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oobe:

yea i do know him

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oobe:

red dwarf was excellent

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justinh:

car pool has had a lot of interesting guests

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oobe:

although i never got round to watching their recent return episode

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justinh:

don't

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oobe:

i watched the start

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oobe:

so its crap?

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justinh:

it's really not worth it. I was a fan until S6 or so but I really thought the revival was a waste of disk space

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oobe:

they wanted to make a movie for so long

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oobe:

I think thats how the show got tied up

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justinh:

they need both writers back on board

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justinh:

it's not the same

[05:39:53]

justinh:

oops not as good I mean

[05:39:57]

justinh:

nothing like as good

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justinh:

I think even some real diehard fans hated the revamp

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oobe:

I saw enough to notice they wernt continueing the story from where rimmer was about to die

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oobe:

and they seemed doomed

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justinh:

I lost interest in the original series when the nanobots reconstructed the ship & crew

[05:42:29]

justinh:

anyway car pool has had v. interesting subjects. Robert basically just gives a 'celeb' a lift somewhere & they chat about stuff

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oobe:

oh cool

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justinh:

in a Prius lol

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

well the budget might improve

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justinh:

there's an eco angle in there somewhere

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oobe:

he should install upskirt camera's in the shotgun seat and make some extra money selling the pictures to smut mags

[05:44:28]

oobe:

i might send him an email with that idea

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justinh:

sign it "your biggest fan"

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oobe:

haha

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oobe:

imdb says the revamp of red dwarf was written by both

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oobe:

but season 8 in 99 was only written by one

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justinh:

it was?! eew.

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justinh:

got the impression it'd been phoned in

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oobe:

maybe i dont know

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oobe:

just looking at the credits on imdb

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oobe:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0684142/fullcredits#writers

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oobe:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1500279/fullcredits#writers

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justinh:

ouch. well whatever. it sucked

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justinh:

"Painful, self gratifying rubbish " completely sums it up

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oobe:

there down fall was not continueing on from season 8 and trying to make a feature film

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justinh:

the downfall was that only Dave would pick it up – as a consequence they had FA budget

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oobe:

so none of the other actors wanted to do the movie?

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justinh:

don't know. maybe they read the script

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oobe:

i thought it was just a funding problem

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justinh:

who'd stick their neck out for anything with a sub-par script? ;-)

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oobe:

"A stage project, based on the Dwarf movie script, is currently under consideration. As ever, the website will report any updates as they happen."

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justinh:

no, Craig Charles said in a car pool episode it might be possible to DO a stage show now

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oobe:

ok

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justinh:

he'd seen Chitty Chitty bang bang in the West End & thought heh, they have the tech – we could have a stage show

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oobe:

well this is from here http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/help/

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justinh:

I'd expect nothing less from a fansite :)

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oobe:

I dont know if they would need the original cast for a stage show

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oobe:

its a site for fans made by the red dwarf creators

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justinh:

prolly not, but hardcore fans will watch anything

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oobe:

Registrant's address:

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oobe:

Red Dwarf Production Office

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justinh:

hmm maybe it IS official that somebody is considering a stage show then. whatever. it's more likely to happen than a movie but even so. :P

[05:56:01]

justinh:

I think I'd sooner go see 'we will rock you' lol

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oobe:

that site is what kept all the hype up on the movie

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oobe:

they also refered to themselves in 1st person when talking about attempts to get funding

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justinh:

I always tend to think that if they're really in talks & they're going somewhere they wouldn't say

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henkpoley:

Ah doh, storage groups actually do work (never tried them, never needed it either)

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justinh:

heh. engineer was asking me if I was going to label the meter in Marine Volts

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – does anyone know if jamu is broken in trunk?

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justinh:

you might know if you'd be following -commits & -dev mailing lists

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ThisOtherGuy:

I follow both but haven't caught up this morning yet

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: shouldnt be, but i changed some stuff in the bindings last night

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wagnerrp:

whats the problem

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ThisOtherGuy:

I saw this in my error log last night: http://pastebin.com/51ycKJLz

[08:26:15]

ThisOtherGuy:

This is on 25456

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wagnerrp:

looks to me more like something wrong with your recordings

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wagnerrp:

specifically, duplicate chanid/starttime in the recordedprogram table

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ThisOtherGuy:

hmm – any way to tell what? I guess I need some sql-fu

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ThisOtherGuy:

yeah – you're right – something that recorded in january – any idea why it would just have become a problem 2 nights ago (that's when I upgraded to 25456)

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wagnerrp:

could you pastebin the mysql output?

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ThisOtherGuy:

http://pastebin.com/fxHmV4pd

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ThisOtherGuy:

it's a fake recording I made off of my vcr into an hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

sphery: got any suggestions? ^^^

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: it may have been some error that JAMU previously handled internally

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wagnerrp:

but since i screwed up the exception, it returned a different error type that JAMU did not catch

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wagnerrp:

has since been fixed

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ThisOtherGuy:

so maybe if I upgrade it will go away?

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wagnerrp:

likely jamu will simple catch the exception, and skip it

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ThisOtherGuy:

k – i'll try it – thanks

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: do you have matching duplicate entries in the `recorded` table?

[08:50:43]

ThisOtherGuy:

no

[08:54:13]

ThisOtherGuy:

looks like just one record that starts at 12:08 and not 12:00

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wagnerrp:

i want to say 'broken database', but i really dont know

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ThisOtherGuy:

oh – that's starttime not progstart – progstart is still 12:00

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wagnerrp:

would have to confirm with someone who knows more about the schema

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ThisOtherGuy:

so one recorded with 2 recordedprogram, in theory I could just delete one of the recordedprogram records and all would be well

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fiftyonefifty:

HDHomeRun, dual channel, new, $85 over at woot.com

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ThisOtherGuy:

?

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wagnerrp:

i want to say yes, but i dont know why it would be there in the first place

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wagnerrp:

i would more expect to see it the opposite way around

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wagnerrp:

multiple `recorded` entries for a single `recordedprogram` entry

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wagnerrp:

the recorded table are the actual physical recordings

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wagnerrp:

while the recordedprogram table matches the guide data

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wagnerrp:

so if you restart recording multiple times, you could have multiple recordings for a single recordedprogram

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wagnerrp:

which is why its matching progstart, and not starttime

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ThisOtherGuy:

I think what happened was I pressed play on the vcr and it screwed up the first time, so the second time I didn't want to type out the whole name of the program so I did a shorter name

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wagnerrp:

drive-by advertising?

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wagnerrp:

im actually a bit surprised that isnt broken in the UI

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ThisOtherGuy:

It just shows one row in the UI (which is fine since there's only one file)

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wagnerrp:

maybe theres a 'limit 1' in the query

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ThisOtherGuy:

can anyone help me with a compile error in 25503: http://pastebin.com/RbTD5WhW

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wagnerrp:

rewrite cpp so it supports UTF-8? :)

[09:12:09]

oobe:

wagnerrp rememember that problem i had with a certain show not recording

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wagnerrp:

nope

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

dw

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: no changes in that file in over a year

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ThisOtherGuy:

I saw that mythtranscode has changed recently – maybe something in there?

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i can think is that you ran make without a distclean

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wagnerrp:

and youve got garbage from a previous compile laying around screwing things up

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ThisOtherGuy:

I did clean not distclean – I'll try that

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ThisOtherGuy:

though it looks like helper.c removed some includes – could that be an issue?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if you ever get compile errors after a 'svn up', thats always the first thing to try

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ThisOtherGuy:

k

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ThisOtherGuy:

same error

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ThisOtherGuy:

including "mpeg2.h" in helper.c makes most of the errors go away

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ThisOtherGuy:

including "attributes.h" fixes the rest

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wagnerrp:

looks like someone is listening in

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: now that I've upgraded – I get this error when running jamu: http://pastebin.com/uWb1eX07 any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

whoops, didnt see that one coming

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wagnerrp:

looks to be several of those

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justinh:

heh guess I won't be bothering to set an out of office responder. you have to keep your machine on for thunderbird to do that

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justinh:

oof lovefilm are starting a streaming service. 800K/sec

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wagnerrp:

KB or Kb?

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justinh:

Kb

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wagnerrp:

eew

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: do you know if I'm having a bad data issue?

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wagnerrp:

where?

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ThisOtherGuy:

http://pastebin.com/uWb1eX07

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wagnerrp:

works fine here, might want to try updating JAMU

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** wagnerrp points at the commit logs **

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justinh:

800k/sec is only gonna be as good as dodgy xvids at best

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justinh:

assuming it's mpeg4-ish

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp – cool thanks

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Cardoe_:

wagnerrp: ping

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Cardoe_:

wagnerrp: that patch in -fixes didn't backport the change to jamu.py

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wagnerrp:

no, its a different patch to allow it to allow it to use either the original or the altered bindings

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wagnerrp:

(or should be anyway)

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wagnerrp:

it tries too use the value stored in the database connection (pulled from config.xml)

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wagnerrp:

and if it fails for whatever reason, falls back to the old method of pulling it out of the socket libraries

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** iamlindoro wonders why we need a new wiki page for every point release of SuSE AND one for each point release when installing from source **

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iamlindoro:

Next we can have one for each point release of SuSe, for each install method, for each release of MythTV

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wagnerrp:

suse users need hand-holding?

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wagnerrp:

If its not in YAST, its cccccrrrrrap!

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iamlindoro:

and apparently tens of thousands of pages to choose from

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iamlindoro:

God forbid we have a page called "SuSE Install"

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wagnerrp:

what is 'Dune: Alternative'?

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wagnerrp:

oh, some fan re-cut

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wagnerrp:

oof... 'Theme is missing critical theme elements'

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/243450/

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Cardoe:

Is that correct?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Cardoe:

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/243451/

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wagnerrp:

could you run 'mythpython', and 'db = MythDB(); print db.gethostname()'

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wagnerrp:

make sure its correct

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Cardoe:

it is

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Cardoe:

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/243453/

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Cardoe:

that's just confirming

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Cardoe:

oh wait I'm dumb

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of a single reason why that wouldnt work

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Cardoe:

btw

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wagnerrp:

unless maybe youre running jamu as a different user

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wagnerrp:

with a different config.xml

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: I get the same error as yesterday

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Cardoe:

until I applied http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25492/tr . . . ipts/jamu.py to -fixes

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wagnerrp:

25496 does the same exact thing as 25492, it just allows a fallback to the old way if the new way fails

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wagnerrp:

if 25496 fell through and used the old socket hostname, 25492 would outright fail

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olejl:

this is one backend compiled from svn and one frontend installed with Mythbuntu. Has there been a change in how the Network Protocol is presented? http://pastebin.ca/1911710

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Cardoe:

running 25496 and it fails

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Cardoe:

applying that one chunk to jamu.py, makes it work

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wagnerrp:

but that chunk shouldnt even apply

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wagnerrp:

it should fail because of local edits

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Cardoe:

only part that failed to apply was the top part with versioning

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wagnerrp:

olejl: yes, after the 0.23.1 release, there is a new protocol version (hence the reason for the new minor release)

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olejl:

wagnerrp: ok thanks.

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wagnerrp:

Cardoe: only thing i can think of is that you didnt actually have a >=r25496 version of jamu

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Cardoe:

I must have run it before make install finished

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Cardoe:

I dunno. I'm being dumb

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Cardoe:

my first issue was that I was on the wrong box

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: either way. I appreciate you fixing the issue so quickly.

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wagnerrp:

np

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wagnerrp:

is it the libav* or FAAD decoder that causes slow playback in AAC?

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iamlindoro:

I was under the impression that neither should be an issue any more, but believe it was building *with* libfaad

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iamlindoro:

libfaad + 6 channel, I think

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iamlindoro:

We may hopefully be able to drop libfaad support entirely for .24, so that will simplify matters

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wagnerrp:

some guy on mythtvtalk complaining about slow audio playback on his BD rips

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justinh:

thought the hdaudio merge solved that in trunk just after 0.23 was released

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janneg:

not sure if we can get full LATM support into ffmpeg before 0.24

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wagnerrp:

considering some snarkey reply about how that couldnt be his problem, since bluray doesnt support AAC audio

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I was composing a remark about exactly that :)

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wagnerrp:

ill leave it to you then

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iamlindoro:

Something to the effect of "Oh, just re-rip and don't transcode the audio and you will be fine!" ;)

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iamlindoro:

no, wasn't on mythtvtalk, was just going to remark to you

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Yeah, knew that was the one outstanding thing... oh well, .25 isn't too far off I guess

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wagnerrp:

although i /do/ have a number of dvd-rips suffering from that

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justinh:

wagnerrp: replying to threads on there is exclusively your job now :P

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wagnerrp:

mp4/h264/aac stuff from a couple years back for compatibility streaming to my PS3

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wagnerrp:

of course hes running 0.22, revision 25392

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janneg:

iamlindoro: latm demuxer is mostly finished, I'm preparing it atm for the first review round

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wagnerrp:

i dont think theres been a single commit against 0.22 in 1500 revisions

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Nice work!

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Think stuarta or nigel made a commit a month or so ago

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iamlindoro:

I might be misremembering though

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janneg:

but that's only 50% or less of the work needed for aac in latm in mpegts playback

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youre right

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wagnerrp:

seems its gotten the URL fix, some OSX UPNP fix, and the memleak fixes backported

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sphery:

iamlindoro: So, did you see kormoc, wagnerrp, and me discussing how broken those WD drives are? :)

[13:31:41]

iamlindoro:

nope

[13:31:55]

iamlindoro:

closed->worksforme

[13:32:04]

wagnerrp:

last night, the 'advanced format' WD greens

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kormoc:

I actually don't feel they're broken :P

[13:32:12]

sphery:

I only have 185 out of 373 files left to transfer of my 2TB WD Green so that I can repartition it properly (since it lies about the sector size)

[13:32:31]

wagnerrp:

im perfectly fine with how mine is functioning

[13:32:40]

wagnerrp:

of course, its not like i could change it if i werent

[13:33:21]

sphery:

yeah, and really, mine is working fine and I don't need the performance--but I'm going to fix it for the sake of correctness :)

[13:33:38]

sphery:

besides, I need 11% extra storage for bad sectors... ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: basically, since it tells the OS that it supports 512B sectors, fdisk'ing it started the partition at sector 63, so my sectors aren't aligned with the 4KiB physical sectors on disk, reducing performance. I'm going to repartition starting at sector 64.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I recall hearing about that a few months back, but don't have any of the new drives

[13:36:21]

sphery:

I thought you had a bunch of the 2TB ones?

[13:36:25]

sphery:

they're not all that way?

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iamlindoro:

There are two model numbers

[13:36:42]

iamlindoro:

only one of which is still manufactured

[13:36:47]

iamlindoro:

I have none of the newer

[13:36:52]

iamlindoro:

since they don't break :P

[13:36:55]

sphery:

I am glad, however, to find that the 20-minute mkfs can be explained

[13:37:03]

sphery:

(as it should have been more like 2min, tops)

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kormoc:

sphery, there's multiple advanced formats as well, 512e (what you have) and 4ke (claims to be 4k and can be changed down to 512) and 4k (just 4k sectors period)

[13:37:42]

sphery:

wow, next hard drive I buy, I'm going to hire a MythTV contractor to format for me

[13:38:28]

sphery:

then I can go back to him, "I'm only getting 75MiB/sec write speed on this drive. I think you did it wrong. Fix it." :)

[13:38:42]

kormoc:

hehe

[13:39:04]

iamlindoro:

Wonder how many times we'll refer people to the contractors list when they ask for a feature before someone is willing to contract to pay for it

[13:39:15]

iamlindoro:

and then I wonder how many of those we will wait before they accept a reasonable price

[13:39:26]

sphery:

I'm wondering just who will sign up for it.

[13:39:33]

iamlindoro:

"discard frontend, adopt XBMC – $20"

[13:39:48]

sphery:

I'm picky about the real-work jobs I take, so for "hobby" jobs...

[13:40:07]

iamlindoro:

the problem with this public list is that nobody is vetted

[13:40:17]

iamlindoro:

So the quality of the work will range from painful to good

[13:40:23]

kormoc:

indeed

[13:40:44]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh... How about "Remove XvMC and make OpenGL so much better than Xv that even the cheapskates decide it's worth $30 to upgrade. $20"

[13:41:03]

iamlindoro:

Perhaps we should append "(MythTV Developer)" to our nicknames on the group

[13:41:25]

sphery:

yeah, I just hope he has sufficient disclaimers in place to say that all disputes/contracts/... are between the "contractor" and "client"

[13:41:32]

kormoc:

isn't that global? meaning every other group I'm in will see it too?

[13:41:40]

** kormoc nudges xris **

[13:41:45]

iamlindoro:

think it's per-membership

[13:41:47]

sphery:

and that MythTV and MythTV devs are not responsible for <whatever>

[13:41:49]

kormoc:

huh

[13:41:57]

wagnerrp:

wow, 27 members

[13:42:02]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: confirmed, it's per-membership

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sphery:

I probably should actually look at it to see

[13:42:08]

kormoc:

cool

[13:42:10]

iamlindoro:

Just checked my other groups, they each have discrete nicknames

[13:42:43]

sphery:

Since I don't trust Google, I'm setting up a new one on Yahoo Groups. ;)

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kormoc:

I'm gonna set up one on groups.excite and charge 10% less then you guys!

[13:43:50]

sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: would probably be better if xris set up separate membership types

[13:43:54]

cipher42:

does the icore 7 decode hdpvr?

[13:44:08]

iamlindoro:

I am going to take all kormoc's work for free and put it on alt.binaries.mythtv.kormoc

[13:44:10]

wagnerrp:

no, the core i7 runs x86 machine code

[13:44:16]

kormoc:

oh noes!

[13:45:17]

sphery:

Heh, seems there's one post, so far. "Convert MythWeb to Python since the dev doesn't get FLOSS. $4.17"

[13:45:24]

** kormoc laughs **

[13:45:27]

iamlindoro:

$42.42

[13:45:55]

wagnerrp:

!trout sphery made-me-look

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a made-me-look trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

[13:46:01]

sphery:

heh

[13:46:20]

iamlindoro:

!trout Erik_Hovland commit your changes already

[13:46:20]

** MythLogBot slaps Erik_Hovland with a commit your changes already trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[13:46:37]

cipher42:

intell claims hd decoding is built into the processor

[13:46:53]

sphery:

Should have done a better joke-of-a-price... $4.01 or something (for the HTTP humor)

[13:46:59]

wagnerrp:

cipher42: intel lies

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** MythLogBot slaps mythlogbot with a stop hitting yourself trout on behalf of kormoc... **

[13:47:20]

cipher42:

what about intell HD integrated graphics card?

[13:47:38]

wagnerrp:

cipher42: some of the i3s and i5s do come with a graphics unit, and those do have hardware h264 decompression

[13:47:42]

iamlindoro:

If you want GPU hardware decode, purchase a modern nVidia card

[13:48:06]

iamlindoro:

attempting to do so on Intel ATM will be an exercise in pain if not outright failure

[13:48:07]

wagnerrp:

however has iamlindoro indicates, only nvidia vdpau is currently supported for hardware offloading

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cipher42:

yea i know but i have to order from dell for work

[13:48:14]

cipher42:

and it's all intell HD

[13:48:22]

cipher42:

ah ok

[13:48:25]

cipher42:

thanks for the info

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kormoc:

intel does not claim the processor has hardware HD decoding in it

[13:48:44]

cipher42:

yes it does

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cipher42:

want me to find info on it?

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wagnerrp:

no, only the lower end units that have a GPU

[13:49:09]

kormoc:

yes, I want to see this claim that it's in the processor and not in the GPU

[13:49:10]

wagnerrp:

i doubt you can find anything that says the i7s do hardware decompression of video

[13:49:53]

sphery:

So, I don't know if I can sign up for that group. I have never given Google my real address, so my Google account sends all the e-mail to my unused gmail account...

[13:50:03]

cipher42:

you guyz are almost always right but hold on

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cipher42:

ok so it's a "Direct Media Interface,

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cipher42:

Integrated GPU"

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cipher42:

for Arrandale icore 7

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justinh:

anyway it doesn't matter you can't use it in mythtv yet

[13:50:46]

cipher42:

i swear tho

[13:50:48]

cipher42:

i keep looking

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cipher42:

well that's what i wanted to know

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wagnerrp:

there are some i7s that use the DMI interface rather than the normal QPI one, however none come with integrated graphics

[13:51:10]

justinh:

and it's likely more than one release away, so go with nvidia if you want it NOW

[13:51:11]

sphery:

cipher42: so, sounds like they're saying the integrated GPU has video decode support

[13:51:18]

iamlindoro:

Dell will sell you an nVidia card

[13:51:21]

sphery:

(even though MythTV lacks support for it.)

[13:51:22]

iamlindoro:

http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=gen& . . . ;x=0&y=0

[13:51:42]

iamlindoro:

They'll even build into your desktop and/or laptop

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cipher42:

Intel® G41 and G43 Express Chipsets provide partial H.264 decode hardware

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iamlindoro:

*

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iamlindoro:

* In Windows

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kormoc:

chipsets with integrated gpu's

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iamlindoro:

And those chipsets include the GPU, which is where the work is done

[13:52:28]

kormoc:

again, not the processor

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cipher42:

aahhh ok

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cipher42:

sorry about that

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sphery:

but, the answer you want, anyway, is a(n appropriately-chosen) $30 nvidia video card

[13:54:04]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . 28HD.29_GPUs with appropriate VDPAU feature set

[13:54:11]

wagnerrp:

seems there are some dual-core mobile i7s with onboard graphics

[13:54:16]

wagnerrp:

why, i have no idea

[13:54:18]

sphery:

(see below for info on feature sets)

[13:54:22]

wagnerrp:

bastardization of the name IMHO

[13:54:40]

sphery:

heh, like their marketing names mean anything, anymore

[13:54:57]

wagnerrp:

some kind of ploy by intel to confuse and immolate their customers

[13:55:06]

sphery:

they make processor names so you /can't/ figure out what the specs are without a lookup table

[13:55:27]

sphery:

At last count, the Intel-processor-name-decoder rainbow tables were 2x the size of the GSM rainbow tables.

[13:56:09]

cipher42:

i like amd personally, but as laptops go, if you want nvidia, you must buy intel...

[13:56:19]

cipher42:

freakin hate that

[13:56:47]

sphery:

why a laptop for MythTV?

[13:57:02]

sphery:

or is this just for a random laptop that you'll sometimes use as a remote frontend with MythTV?

[13:57:31]

wagnerrp:

why worry about hardware acceleration anyway?

[13:57:55]

sphery:

because hardware acceleration is A Good Thing(TM)

[13:57:59]

wagnerrp:

anything core-i, maybe 2.3GHz or better should be able to decode HDPVR content

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sphery:

it's always better to let hardware decode something than software

[13:58:25]

wagnerrp:

definitely if the laptops do that turbo-boost

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sphery:

that's why I have a PKZip accelerator on my system

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iamlindoro:

sphery: for sure! Chuck those bits into the black box and WATCH THE MAGIC HAPPEN!

[13:58:41]

sphery:

iamlindoro: exactly

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sphery:

after all, hardware is software that can never be changed once written, so it's always better to have the most complex parts of the computer (which decode random video that's improperly encoded in different ways all around the world) in hardware.

[13:59:40]

wagnerrp:

the only worth of hardware acceleration would be for power consumption

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cipher42:

i work in linux, but yea i also use it as a frontend

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** wagnerrp introduces sphery to the wonders of FPGAs **

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cipher42:

would be a portable tv for me

[14:00:28]

sphery:

oh, and don't tell me that hardware decode uses software in the shaders, because then my idea of "pure hardware decoding" would be shattered

[14:01:32]

wagnerrp:

you know, that makes me wonder whether they actually have hardware for Xv, or if its just something implemented through shader code

[14:02:15]

sphery:

don't know

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sphery:

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a majority of functions are a combination of hardware + shaders, anymore

[14:02:53]

sphery:

though easy stuff like Xv could likely be done with pure shaders

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henkpoley:

I believe MythTV has the possibility to use one digital tuner as multiple tuners, as long as you select the same transport. Anybody knows how to set that up?

[14:04:18]

sphery:

cipher42: FWIW, I wasn't saying that VDPAU is bad... Just making a joke about how hardware decode is often seen as "the right way" versus just an option.

[14:04:25]

wagnerrp:

when you define the card, tell it to have multiple virtual tuners

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sphery:

henkpoley: in mythtv-setup, Capture Cards, Advanced Options or something like that (2nd page), set number of tuners to > 1. Note that doing so must be done when you initially configure your capture cards or you won't get proper multirec usage

[14:05:19]

cipher42:

i mean i understand that, just allways go for hardware decode personally

[14:05:27]

cipher42:

that way my cpu is free to actually work

[14:05:33]

henkpoley:

sweet, so it's just mythtv-setup, I'll have a look in 20 minutes or so. Currently recording

[14:05:36]

sphery:

henkpoley: therefore, do the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[14:05:45]

sphery:

i.e. you need to redo all your capture cards.

[14:05:51]

kormoc:

if decoding 1080i h264 isn't work, I don't know what is

[14:06:15]

kormoc:

I know it takes me like a year and a few rems of paper to do it by hand

[14:06:22]

sphery:

kormoc: for most users, CPU work = waiting for user input, right?

[14:06:40]

henkpoley:

sphery: I have only one capture card, but *really* want to keep the tuning info around. It's hard enough to get it right with ziggo.nl

[14:06:41]

kormoc:

sphery, ooh! That's right, the idle process! so important!

[14:06:44]

sphery:

heh, by hand

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cipher42:

wha?

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cipher42:

when this computer decodes mpeg4 i basically can't do anything else

[14:07:12]

wagnerrp:

cipher42: hes saying that modern CPUs are ridiculously overpowered for most tasks

[14:07:20]

cipher42:

because all the cpu is used up

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sphery:

henkpoley: a) that won't affect your "tuning info" and b) if you only have one capture card, you can just enable multiple tuners on it without affecting tuner usage order

[14:07:24]

kormoc:

mpeg4 != h264

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wagnerrp:

cipher42: is it a multi-core CPU?

[14:07:41]

cipher42:

yea

[14:07:48]

wagnerrp:

is it HDPVR output?

[14:07:48]

cipher42:

intel crap dual core

[14:07:52]

cipher42:

yep

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cipher42:

720

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wagnerrp:

then youve got a whole other core free to do whatever you please

[14:08:08]

henkpoley:

sphery: thank you, I meant channel and transport tuples of course

[14:08:24]

cipher42:

i'm using an old ssd which i think has something to do with it

[14:08:29]

kormoc:

my core2duo decodes 720p hdpvr output at ~ 60% of one core

[14:08:36]

sphery:

oh, dvb-s stuff... yeah, the disecq tree might be affected

[14:08:38]

wagnerrp:

is the video stored on your SSD?

[14:08:40]

cipher42:

many processes = lag

[14:08:45]

cipher42:

no

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kormoc:

drive won't matter

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cipher42:

if i try to do a bunch of things at once it stutters

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wagnerrp:

then mythtv playback isnt touching your SSD

[14:09:08]

kormoc:

sounds like a system misconfiguration to me

[14:09:10]

** kormoc shrugs **

[14:09:17]

cipher42:

old ssd's are like that

[14:09:20]

henkpoley:

btw, a Mac Mini G4 1.42GHz (Early 2005) is good as an SD-only frontend over WiFi :-)

[14:09:27]

wagnerrp:

no, computers are like that

[14:09:31]

kormoc:

now granted, 1080i and my little laptop are not friends

[14:09:44]

kormoc:

why would a ssd that the data is never touching kill your processor's decoding ability?

[14:09:48]

wagnerrp:

if you run enough tasks that you saturate the CPU, something is going to slow down

[14:09:53]

kormoc:

*procesor's processing

[14:10:16]

wagnerrp:

it just happens that video decoding is the only one that requires realtime performance, and so the only one you notice suffering

[14:10:18]

cipher42:

jesus... it's not just that's running

[14:10:30]

cipher42:

like when i try to read a bunch of things on the ssd for example

[14:10:41]

cipher42:

i'm a software developer so i have a ton of code open at once with intellij

[14:10:51]

wagnerrp:

then whatever youre doing that is reading off the SSD is chewing up cycles

[14:10:52]

cipher42:

which reads a ton of stuff off ur hdd

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cipher42:

no crap

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wagnerrp:

enough CPU cycles that your playback is suffering

[14:11:15]

wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with reading off the SSD

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henkpoley:

You could instrument your kernel and use one of those newfangled '*top' programs that show you realtime scheduling performance

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wagnerrp:

and everything to do with something being spinlocked waiting for a response from that SSD, rather than giving up the CPU for other tasks

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sphery:

ah, intellij... I think we now know where all your processor cycles are going

[14:12:55]

wagnerrp:

but but... java is high performance

[14:13:17]

justinh:

java.. making computers suck since 199whatever

[14:13:36]

wagnerrp:

5

[14:13:50]

justinh:

but but.. muhh, java doesn't suck, it's bad programming. ok.. yeah right then. so much programming is awful

[14:14:21]

justinh:

the viewer software the company I work for ships with their DVRs is easily THE worst java app I've ever encountered

[14:14:36]

henkpoley:

btw: http://www.latencytop.org/

[14:15:42]

wagnerrp:

why is it written in java?

[14:15:57]

justinh:

supposed to be so it'll be cross platform

[14:16:04]

justinh:

but it won't run on Mac or linux

[14:16:33]

wagnerrp:

oh, PC-based viewer

[14:16:54]

justinh:

well, the DVR's own gui is web-based with javascript

[14:16:59]

henkpoley:

For Windows latency (rudimentary): http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

[14:17:14]

wagnerrp:

henkpoley: he left long ago

[14:17:17]

justinh:

and performs slightly better than the pc app, but it's not a patch on the old stuff we made

[14:17:30]

henkpoley:

Awww.. still good tools

[14:17:55]

henkpoley:

Though in case of Windows, Win7 has some better ones built in I believe ;-)

[14:19:18]

sphery:

justinh: ah, they did their GUI the way we should have

[14:19:25]

sphery:

using HTML and javascript...

[14:19:33]

sphery:

(joke)

[14:19:50]

justinh:

yeah. unlike the old machines where you pressed a key & saw immediate response the new stuff makes you wait. and wait

[14:19:58]

sphery:

nice...

[14:20:28]

wagnerrp:

GUIs: slowing down nice terminal applications for 25 years

[14:20:30]

sphery:

and if someone wanted to make a Flash-based background with animated flames, could they?

[14:20:38]

sphery:

because that's the type of theme people would pay money for

[14:20:44]

wagnerrp:

and lens flare, dont forget the lens flare

[14:20:50]

sphery:

heh

[14:21:07]

kormoc:

it's visual communication when you delete a recording and it bursts into flames!

[14:21:38]

henkpoley:

Just use chrome beta as renderer and use a WebGL shader to add flare ;-)

[14:22:03]

sphery:

kormoc: oh, like windows you close in Compiz!

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kormoc:

indeed! It's just like real life!

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justinh:

never saw the point of lens flare in games

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kormoc:

it's more like a movie/tv show with lens flare!

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justinh:

and less like real life (tm) :)

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sphery:

heh

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henkpoley:

btw, MythFrontend on Mac has this nice "..and shutdown" option, does anybody know how to let it actually do anything? I don't suppose there are that any ways to 'halt' a Mac via unix or AppleScript API

[14:34:03]

kormoc:

sudo shutdown -h now

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sphery:

sudo poweroff ?

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sphery:

or that'

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kormoc:

no poweroff in os x

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henkpoley:

More where you would need to enter that (probably just the database), since there is not MythWelcome to run with --setup

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sphery:

should have gone with the more generic, then

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sphery:

henkpoley: it's in the settings GUI

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kormoc:

you'd still have to setup sudo to be passwordless for that user for that command

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sphery:

Halt command in in Utilities/Setup|Setup|General

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henkpoley:

That used to be in mythwelcome (/me is mythtv old fart)

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sphery:

actually, it's always been where it's at

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sphery:

mythwelcome has a different, but similar setting

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sphery:

and since MythTV has way too many settings, it's extremely easy to lose track of them

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sphery:

but, hey, it's just a setting

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henkpoley:

Yeah. Would be better for some stuff to just enforce a helper script be available on your distro, instead of the myrad of often useless settings for your specific config.

[14:44:10]

sphery:

my main complaint about the settings is that we literally have so many of them that even long-time MythTV users can't find what they're looking for in the GUI

[14:45:00]

sphery:

So a lot of them do bad things--like edit the database (either directly or through MythWeb's "settings" page--which, just like direct DB editing--has no bounds checking or data integrity checks)

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kormoc:

yeah, we should remove that... and by we I mean me

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sphery:

kormoc: well, having it there isn't bad--and once we do settings right, it will be great to have them available in MythWeb

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henkpoley:

sphery: I do those edits a lot, it's insanity to edit your channels by hand via the guy

[14:46:03]

henkpoley:

gui..

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sphery:

more than anything, I don't like that users just assume that from a name they can figure out what values are appropriate

[14:46:19]

henkpoley:

A lot = once to trice per year

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kormoc:

sure, but I don't anyone who uses the settings editor in mythweb who doesn't break it

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sphery:

heh, true

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kormoc:

*don't know anyone

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kormoc:

channels != settings

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sphery:

I challenge /anyone/ to guess the legal values--and their meanings--for the setting NoPromptOnExit

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henkpoley:

Oh I tweaked settings too from time to time, more stuff like the shutdown strings

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henkpoley:

]

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sphery:

as presented in the DB, value=NoPromptOnExit, data = 1

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sphery:

so, you might think, "oh, it's a boolean, so the only other value is 0"

[14:48:14]

sphery:

so far so good.

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sphery:

now guess what true and false do?

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kormoc:

the same thing!

[14:48:39]

sphery:

nope...

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henkpoley:

Fun, MythFrontend on my Mac just crashes with LiveTV now I've set my card to have multiple virtual tuners, and LiveTV running on my backend too.

[14:49:03]

kormoc:

I guess true means it just exits and false prompts?

[14:49:20]

sphery:

so, let's look at the GUI: "Confirm Exit: When enabled, MythTV will prompt for confirmation when you press the System Exit key."

[14:49:25]

sphery:

no think about that

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sphery:

now

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kormoc:

ha

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sphery:

we need /a lot/ more settings like that one

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sphery:

NoPromptOnExit ftw! Because I hate it when I accidentally hit Exit at the Main Menu and it just exits--I'd prefer it ask me if I want it to exit before doing so.

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raydj:

hi everyone

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kormoc:

heh

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sphery:

hi

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kormoc:

I have the pc power button mapped to killall -9 mythfrontend for those times when I really want it to die

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kormoc:

I'm serious about my exiting!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

214/373 files transferred... 158 left

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raydj:

quick and probably silly question which I haven't been able to figure out yet... having a master backend/frontend and a couple of remote frontends... should I export by NFS the directories where the pictures and so are in the master backend box, and mount them on the remote frontends? or is there a better way?

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sphery:

raydj: if you mean the MythGallery pictures, that's the only way with current MythTV

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sphery:

work is being done to make MythGallery use Storage Groups, like TV and MythVideo can

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raydj:

no, I mean the images related to videos

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sphery:

oh, you mean MythVideo fanart, etc...

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raydj:

yep

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sphery:

well, that's a whole other question

[14:54:20]

raydj:

actually it's the same with more info :)

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henkpoley:

The crash didn't even trigger CrashReporter hmm..

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo has far more information about it than me

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henkpoley:

Funny, when I start LiveTV on my Macbook, and then on the backend PC it does work concurrently

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wagnerrp:

raydj: are you using storage groups?

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raydj:

still more info: I've already setup NFS exports and mounts so in all machines /mythtv/XXXX points to a directory with the videos of XXXXXX machine, be it local or remote

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henkpoley:

If I then stop LiveTV on the mac, and start it again there, poof!

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raydj:

well, I'll give it another try

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wagnerrp:

raydj: are you using storage groups?

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sphery:

You may think, "Well, of course a page on MythVideo has far more information about MythVideo storage groups and local directories than it has about some guy named sphery." If so, you see my point.

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raydj:

that's the thing wagnerrp, I can't make the whole picture of storage groups from the wiki

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sphery:

that said, the page also has far more information on MythVideo SG's and local directories than I have on MythVideo SG's and local directories.

[14:57:33]

raydj:

I mean, information is not knowledge

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wagnerrp:

raydj: all of your content is on a machine running a mythbackend?

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sphery:

raydj: read that page... it has a whole section devoted to the pros and cons of SGs versus local

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kormoc:

Yerg! We have a philosophy major here!

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raydj:

ok, this is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna read that page for nth time and try and figure it out... then ask again if failing miserably :)

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sphery:

kormoc: it's just one of those days

[14:59:17]

kormoc:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

raydj: simply put, storage groups are a mechanism for making backend storage available for streaming and indexing by the frontend

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wagnerrp:

anything you put in a storage group on a backend will be available to any connected frontend

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sphery:

though some parts of MythTV may not use it

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wagnerrp:

so if you have your videos and artwork on your backend, and you define their paths in their respective storage groups

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wagnerrp:

then youre done

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo on each frontend will instantly know how to access that content

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sphery:

isn't there a disclaimer for MythTV Watch Recordings fanart?

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kormoc:

This assume you are using a recent version of myth

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wagnerrp:

with watch recordings fanart, the same rules still apply

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sphery:

I thought the search was only done using local files

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wagnerrp:

except it does an assumed search on what the file is named, and there is no automated grabber

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iamlindoro:

nope

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sphery:

hmmm

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Local or SG content

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sphery:

even in 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the only automated grabber is jamu, and jamu only works locally

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iamlindoro:

yes, since the very beginning

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wagnerrp:

jamu can recognize the paths used by storage groups

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iamlindoro:

the image hunt hasn't changed since being committed

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sphery:

ok, so I'm misremembering some post I half read

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wagnerrp:

but it will not access the content over storage groups, it uses direct file access for everything

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sphery:

(from iamlindoro, even)

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raydj:

so... if I set up say /mythtv/aeryn/Coverart in the master backend box (aeryn), and then set /mythtv/aeryn/Coverart as the coverart folder in a desktop machine, I don't even need /mythtv/aeryn/Coverart to exist in the desktop machine, it's automagically tranfered over the mythtv connection, so to say. Is that it?

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iamlindoro:

No

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wagnerrp:

raydj: no, the storage group stuff is all done in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

You add the directories to be used for the artwork and videos on the backend, in mythtv-setup

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raydj:

see xD what am I getting wrong?

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iamlindoro:

You change *no* settings on frontends

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wagnerrp:

if you use the settings in mythfrontend, it will not work that way

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raydj:

so I leave those configurations empty in the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

and you /only/ need to do it on machines that run a backend and house your video and artwork

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wagnerrp:

correct

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iamlindoro:

Sort of like in the step by step directions

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo#Setting_ . . . orage_Groups

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wagnerrp:

if you are using storage groups, you dont touch anything in the frontend

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raydj:

it's not clear from step 3 that you need to have those fields clear

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wagnerrp:

you were never supposed to have set them

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wagnerrp:

the instructions expect youre starting from scratch

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iamlindoro:

raydj: You don't need to

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iamlindoro:

It specifically says that.

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raydj:

where?

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iamlindoro:

"Optional Step:"

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iamlindoro:

"If you would like to use a combination of Storage Group and locally hosted video..."

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iamlindoro:

*if*

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raydj:

ok

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raydj:

and what if I don't, and already have set up dirs in the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

then change or blank them

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iamlindoro:

Then you should follow the instructions, and rescan

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wagnerrp:

to anything that is not the same as where the storage group points to

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wagnerrp:

note that storage groups being a backend setting, you should restart the backend after changing them

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raydj:

what's more, it specifically says "If the local video setting and the Storage Group setting point at the same path, MythVideo will prefer the Storage Group path and ignore the local one."

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iamlindoro:

yes. So?

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iamlindoro:

None of that conflicts with what we are telling you

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raydj:

it's not that it conflicts

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raydj:

it could be worded another way

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raydj:

but anyway, thanks for the help, I'm gonna set it up

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iamlindoro:

I'm not sure how much simpler that sentence could be

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raydj:

"Keep those fields clear if you want to use the master backend's Storage Groups exclusively" comes to mind

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iamlindoro:

Except that isn't true

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iamlindoro:

You don't need them to be clear

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iamlindoro:

They can be populated with another path (which is what the rest of the step describes) or point at the same path and be ignored (which is what that sentence says)

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wagnerrp:

for the purposes of using videos that cannot be accessed over storage groups

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raydj:

iamlindoro, I said exactly the same thing above and you told me I was wrong (and I do realize that I sound like the stereotypical noob, but I'm not)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: just a thought, if dvd-over-sg wont be in for 0.24, maybe pull the file location from the backend, and try to open the ISO/VIDEO_TS at that location on the local file system

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iamlindoro:

raydj: When did you say even remotely the same thing?

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wagnerrp:

let people use SGs for all content, but just require NFS mounts at those locations if they want to use ISOs

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wagnerrp:

pop up a warning if it cannot be found

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raydj:

"so... if I set up say /mythtv/aeryn/Coverart in the master backend box (aeryn), and then set /mythtv/aeryn/Coverart as the coverart folder in a desktop machine, I don't even need /mythtv/aeryn/Coverart to exist in the desktop machine, it's automagically tranfered over the mythtv connection, so to say. Is that it?"

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iamlindoro:

raydj: And that's still incorrect

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raydj:

would it work as expected?

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wagnerrp:

the settings are not transferred, mythvideo will pull the content through the backend, with whatever settings the backend is using

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iamlindoro:

As you don't need to set the frontend setting, specifically because they will be ignored, and it costs extra CPU time

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iamlindoro:

It would function, it would not function properly

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iamlindoro:

We were also clarifying that you don't set the setting on the frontend on the backend, you set it in mythtv-setup

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henkpoley:

Do you need to have the LiveTV ringbuffer in a Storage Group when you use virtual tuners ?

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: we do not use a ringbuffer-- Think you mean does the LiveTV storage group need directories assigned to it?

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justinh:

there's no ringbuffer anymore

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iamlindoro:

If so, no, all recordings SGs fall back to "Default"

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iamlindoro:

which must exist

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henkpoley:

iamlindoro: yes, I mean: do I need to define a LiveTV storage group

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: No-- Will fall through to Default

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henkpoley:

Default exists yes

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wagnerrp:

only if you want a special storage location for LiveTV content

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iamlindoro:

none of the SG setup changes when using multirec

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henkpoley:

My logs don't really show any reason why my frontend is dissappearing on Mac, it's just happily churning out messages and then it's gone.

[15:28:07]

henkpoley:

So just grasping straws

[15:28:23]

justinh:

sounds like you need a backtrace

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justinh:

and for that you need mythfrontend built with debugging enabled.. and to run mythfrontend under gdb

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henkpoley:

Macs auto backtrace via CrashReporter

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henkpoley:

Apparently myth does something so it's only stored, not shown via the normal os x GUI

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henkpoley:

I'll look the backtrace up now

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wagnerrp:

?

[15:30:02]

wagnerrp:

so what is stored rather than displayed?

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henkpoley:

It's crashing in RingBuffer::ReadFromBuf(void*, int, bool) + 25

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henkpoley:

wagnerrp: just like under modern Gnome or Windows you get a popup with the backtrace on OS X

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henkpoley:

For mythfrontend somehow it doesn't pop up, but it still stores it in the crashreporter directory on my mac

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: .23 or trunk?

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henkpoley:

.23 the revision before the protocol version change

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justinh:

ruh? backend just fell over & came back itself

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justinh:

I'm not using monit

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, sounds like upstart

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justinh:

yup

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: Where are you getting the +25 bit?

[15:33:23]

iamlindoro:

Can I see the error in context?

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justinh:

looks like a restart too. inprogress recordings were restarted

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justinh:

ouch! 2010-07–30 20:30:04.632 DVBRec(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Stream handler died unexpectedly.

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justinh:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/local/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08e8c5a1 ***

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wagnerrp:

failing hardware?

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justinh:

hope not

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justinh:

there's a backtrace of sorts. no idea if it's any use

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justinh:

http://pastebin.com/fMwywv9J

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justinh:

weird though – doesn't seem to be anything in the log about the backend restarting

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justinh:

so er.. upstart bounces daemons which fall over all by itself? DO NOT WANT

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justinh:

if stuff falls over I want to know about it so I can look into WHY, not some frickin ubuntu user who likes to paint over the cracks

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Pretty sure you can set that behavior in the upstart script

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justinh:

I'll take a peek

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** justinh comments out 'respawn' **

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AndyCap:

justinh: so why are you a ubuntu user? :P

[15:45:55]

justinh:

I often ask myself the same thing

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dustybin:

i often wonder too..

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justinh:

oh shut up

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** dustybin goes back into silent mode **

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skd5aner:

kormoc: ping

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justinh:

so is that backtrace any use or no? didn't build myth with debugging enabled so I assume not

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wagnerrp:

emacs???

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wagnerrp:

that thing does do everything

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justinh:

oh it's got a DVR plugin now? cool I can use that instead

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justinh:

:P

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justinh:

and why do I have a feeling – since the nvidia driver is mentioned in there – that this might have something to do with applying a fix I didn't understand to make the nvidia driver work on my box – i.e. add an option to grub regarding vmalloc stuff

[15:51:39]

AndyCap:

it's Ctrl-X-Meta-Pedal-mythmode

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sphery:

justinh: IMHO, a better fix is to disable the nvidia framebuffer/nouveau framebuffer/kms

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sphery:

then get rid of the vmalloc stuff in the kernel boot line

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justinh:

it's essentially only got A card in it to drive the monitor, that's all. major waste of a 9400 card

[15:54:19]

justinh:

stuff it, I'll take the vmalloc line out, update grub tomorrow & don't sweat over the driver not working

[15:54:44]

justinh:

if it's got anything to do with these 0 bytes recordings & backend failings I'll be happy to be rid

[15:54:53]

justinh:

don't see how it could have though

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henkpoley:

MythFrontend also seems to crash in `NuppelVideoPlayer::OpenFile(bool, unsigned int, bool)`

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Beirdo:

home with a migraine. wonderful way to spend sysadmin day

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sphery:

justinh: if you get rid of the framebuffer, you won't need the vmalloc and the X driver will work perfectly

[15:56:15]

henkpoley:

iamlindoro: the +25 is line numbers afaik

[15:56:16]

sphery:

(and the standard text-mode console driver, if that's what you want)

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: Need to see actual output, not just interpretation :)

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sphery:

you just don't get your penguin on boot

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justinh:

and I'll do without the stinking boot splash too

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Beirdo:

and the patch in #3580 needs a lot of work, it seems

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justinh:

I want to SEE the boot process on my backend

[15:57:02]

Beirdo:

it caused my TV to reboot

[15:57:33]

sphery:

Beirdo: nice...

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sphery:

too bad TVs don't have a BSOD

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justinh:

hmm so how to disable the fb crap.. time for google goggles

[15:58:17]

sphery:

justinh: if you're using the standard kernel one, blacklist nvidiafb

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sphery:

I'm guessing, though, with *buntu, you're using nouveau, so you'd need to find its module name

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justinh:

hrm

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sphery:

then again, if they're doing kms, it might be built in to the kernel

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henkpoley:

iamlindoro: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/vS6EcqHh http://mythtv.pastebin.com/DFHYFETZ http://mythtv.pastebin.com/z944AjqH

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sphery:

in which case, you'd have to pass the option to disable kms to the kernel

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justinh:

kms? hmmm splodey head

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sphery:

see /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt

[16:00:00]

iamlindoro:

!trout Mac_OS-X awful backtraces

[16:00:00]

** MythLogBot slaps Mac_OS-X with a awful backtraces trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[16:00:05]

sphery:

Kernel Mode Switching--i.e. instead of a user-level program setting the video mode, the kernel does it

[16:00:10]

justinh:

ah

[16:00:23]

sphery:

something about nomodeset...

[16:00:33]

justinh:

my hatred for ubuntu just deepened

[16:00:34]

sphery:

(that's from memory, so check the docs)

[16:01:12]

henkpoley:

iamlindoro: tell me what you want to see extra, I could attach GDM myself and may get it in a format that you like

[16:01:26]

justinh:

oh funny thing happened at work today. the engineers working on a PoE powered camera said they have to be careful about current limiting or the product could turn into GDIAFOIP

[16:01:52]

sphery:

henkpoley: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging would be ideal

[16:02:02]

justinh:

so why is the *default* fricking setting something which doesn't actually work properly hmm? :-O

[16:02:12]

justinh:

oh yeah *buntu

[16:02:21]

sphery:

justinh: because how else can you get a fancy purple background while booting?

[16:03:01]

justinh:

must be built in. can't find any module relating to it. lsmod |grep nv just shows the nvidia binary

[16:03:11]

henkpoley:

sphery: in 12 hours I'll be going to a scouts camp, there's also some sleep in there, no way to get those backtraces now unless there's some prebuilt image with those extra stuff built-in

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: the NVP thing sounds a lot like something that was allegedly fixed, since that like has to do with probebuffersiz3

[16:03:29]

sphery:

henkpoley: see the "Debugging package-based installs" part :)

[16:03:51]

sphery:

or just update to latest -fixes and see if it's fixed? :)

[16:04:00]

henkpoley:

There's nothing for mac os x on there

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sphery:

(In other words, trusting iamlindoro may save you much time.)

[16:04:12]

iamlindoro:

Whoops, actually

[16:04:12]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8179

[16:04:14]

iamlindoro:

still open

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sphery:

ah, yeah, for Mac OS, I don't know

[16:04:20]

henkpoley:

My ubuntu frontend does not have the problem, and probably works locally, not network based

[16:04:34]

justinh:

damn so much you don't have to reboot for.. except kernel options. heh

[16:04:39]

iamlindoro:

hmm... looks like the fix might only be in trunk

[16:04:51]

iamlindoro:

henkpoley: you can try applying: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24618

[16:04:58]

wagnerrp:

justinh: thats only because youre not paying an arm and a leg

[16:05:02]

iamlindoro:

and rebuilding your source (may need hand application)

[16:05:22]

wagnerrp:

there are companies that offer custom binary patching of the in-memory kernel (for a large price)

[16:05:27]

iamlindoro:

hmm, nope, I lie, Nigel applied something similar to fixes

[16:05:29]

iamlindoro:

but not the same

[16:05:38]

iamlindoro:

it's definitely related

[16:05:51]

iamlindoro:

But looks like nigel's fix to fixes may not work as well as janneg's to trunk

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justinh:

well can't really boot til way later on, and I was figuring on an early night tonight. tomorrow is the big day

[16:12:03]

iamlindoro:

BigBabyDay(tm)?

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justinh:

yup

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iamlindoro:

congrats!

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justinh:

well tomorrow is the day of the induction if little fella hasn't arrived by himself.. various steps to start things rolling proper

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henkpoley:

Pfff, Leopard's bash is a bit splitbrained about symlinks, does use it with tab-completion, doesn't with command execution..

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justinh:

so I think I either need vga=normal or nofb ... or nomodeset

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henkpoley:

iamlindoro: the patch did apply, with some handholding to actually find the files (to be expected)

[16:19:39]

iamlindoro:

henkpoley: You may need to revert http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25295 too

[16:19:53]

iamlindoro:

Since it's supposed to do the same but appears not to be

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henkpoley:

I'll be testing on my Mac Mini too, on my MacBook I use a slightly older pre-build binary

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Beirdo:

so, without that patch, UPnP works with my TV. With it... recordings are borked

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Beirdo:

will have to see what they broke

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Beirdo:

after I have a nap to try to get my migraine gone

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henkpoley:

iamlindoro: false alarm, on Mac Mini (more recent build) it works correctly

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iamlindoro:

henkpoley: Am guessing the other build is < 25295?

[16:23:27]

iamlindoro:

the crashy one

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henkpoley:

Lets check

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henkpoley:

Crash: r24482

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henkpoley:

not crash: 25356

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henkpoley:

So yes

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iamlindoro:

So there you go

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iamlindoro:

go to current fixes and you should be fine

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henkpoley:

Now to see why `osx-packager.pl -plugins mythvideo -svnbranch release-0-23-fixes` does not build mythvideo. Well, that's probably for next week.

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sphery:

so iamlindoro has SOIP (smell over IP)?

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wagnerrp:

someone beefed on trac

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sphery:

he's smelling driver issues

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henkpoley:

Good news everyone! I installed smell-o-vision! ;-)

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** Beirdo farts and makes henkpoley gag **

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, Gentoo have upgraded their mythtv package and broken compat with my 10.04 Ubuntu backend

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iamlindoro:

Update to autobuilds on your ubuntu backend and update it

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henkpoley:

EvilGuru: 0.23-fixes has the protocol version incremented a few weeks ago

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EvilGuru:

Yeah; will Ubuntu pick it up?

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iamlindoro:

autobuilds are nightly

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henkpoley:

btw, mythwelcome *used* to wait with running the frontend when it was started near a recording slot. Since 0.22 or so it doesn't anymore. Is there a fix somewhere ?

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henkpoley:

EvilGuru: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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Beirdo:

hmmm, that was a nice mini-nap

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Beirdo:

head still throbbing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, that'll happen when you fall asleep on your keyboard... ;-)

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justinh:

HDHR down to $85? :-O We need some of that in the UK

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skd5aner:

justinh: where?

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justinh:

woot, apparently

[17:16:42]

skd5aner:

is it for the just T1?

[17:16:46]

skd5aner:

if so, it's one tuner

[17:16:54]

skd5aner:

you can get that for $80 on amazon

[17:17:24]

justinh:

see the woot.com homepage. dual version apparently

[17:17:36]

skd5aner:

hmmmm

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skd5aner:

indeed... oh man, I might just have to give in and get one

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justinh:

brought to you by the power of tweetage

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skd5aner:

get rid of my 2 old HD5000 cards and just have 2 HDHRs instead

[17:19:41]

sphery:

skd5aner: btw, did you have some plan for the 0.23-fixes release notes for going to point releases (like 0.23.1)?

[17:19:55]

skd5aner:

sphery: I did have a plan, at one point ;)

[17:20:25]

sphery:

but you hadn't done any -fixes branch notes?

[17:20:28]

skd5aner:

sphery: wagnerrp and I was going back and forth on the difference between maintaining a .23-fixes release notes and a .23.1 release notes prior to the .23 release...

[17:20:30]

sphery:

just trunk stuff for 0.24?

[17:20:44]

sphery:

yeah, we didn't even find a -fixes one...

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skd5aner:

sphery: so far yes, but my intentions (at the time) was to maintain a .23-fixes one as well, and go back and look at commits explicitely for .23-fixes and document them in a similiar changelog fashion

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skd5aner:

sphery: look at the history on .23.1 changelog wiki... I changed it to .23-fixes, wagnerrp changed it back ;)

[17:21:35]

sphery:

we made a new one... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23.1 and a couple of us put some stuff on it

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sphery:

oh, yeah, early stuff

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skd5aner:

I would probably be willing to go out and do it, but it would take me a week or so to getting much accomplished on it

[17:22:28]

sphery:

it's not that big a deal--and definitely not your responsibility

[17:22:32]

skd5aner:

I planned on being more proactive come post .24 release

[17:22:37]

sphery:

I just wanted to make sure we weren't missing something you had done

[17:22:52]

skd5aner:

no sir... wysiwyg :)

[17:22:55]

sphery:

I thought I remembered some mention of commented info somewhere, and was wondering if that was related

[17:23:04]

sphery:

I guess not, though

[17:23:24]

skd5aner:

well... I did chat, in IRC, about some of my intentions regarding what was being put both into trunk and backported

[17:23:50]

sphery:

anyway, thanks--and thanks for the work on the trunk one (as those are the ones no one will ever do--going back through everything from 0.23 to 0.24 and updating

[17:23:55]

skd5aner:

when everything was RC, I didn't put anything backported in the .24 release notes because ultimately those backports would actually wind up in .23

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

makes sense

[17:24:16]

skd5aner:

when .23 was officially cut/release, then anything that was put into trunk AND backported still made it to the .24 release notes

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sphery:

I see

[17:25:05]

sphery:

anyway, I don't mean to say that you should do the 0.23.1 notes... was just making sure we weren't throwing away some effort you had done

[17:25:12]

skd5aner:

obviously, folks running .23-fixes (or the eventual .23.1 release) would still get any of those items that had been backported, it just made sense to me that if it wasn't in the official .23 release, then it's a .24 feature (even if backported)

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sphery:

works for me

[17:25:34]

skd5aner:

nope, but thanks for asking

[17:25:55]

skd5aner:

Come .24, my answer would probably be "yes – I have done something for .24-fixes"

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sphery:

heh, laziness was my primary motivation for asking :)

[17:26:39]

skd5aner:

I honestly didn't, and I'm not pointing fingers here, because wagnerrp said ".23-fixes" isn't a "release" – so I didn't want to go through the political headaches of trying to do a changelog for what some say is not a "release"

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skd5aner:

I also didn't argue, because I knew that meant less work for me ;)

[17:27:18]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

and, really, chances are we won't have a 0.24.1, so skipping 0.24-fixes is fine with me

[17:27:37]

sphery:

same with any other -fixes

[17:27:44]

skd5aner:

my opinion, I don't see why a .##-fixes page can't be classified in the release notes

[17:27:58]

sphery:

with the quicker release schedule, the .1's aren't as important/sensible

[17:28:28]

sphery:

it does make sense to have a page where users can look to see what crashes/failures have been fixed since the release version

[17:28:35]

skd5aner:

but it would be useful to have a page, in a chronological order, where backports to -fixes branches can be tracked – which is what I'm going to try with .24, just to see if it makes sense or not

[17:28:45]

sphery:

not sure it's worth the effort, though

[17:28:57]

sphery:

saying "a lot of nasty bugs were fixed" has been working well enough for me

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skd5aner:

I know you can do it via trac, but that's not always easy for users to comprehend, or just see the quick-list of what's relavent

[17:29:39]

skd5aner:

either way, if I (or someone else) doesn't do it... oh well ;)

[17:29:44]

skd5aner:

then point them to trac ;)

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sphery:

that's basically what http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . mp;limit=100 is... the 0.23-fixes changes

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sphery:

er, that, specifically is 0.23.1 changes

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skd5aner:

exactly

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sphery:

right

[17:30:10]

sphery:

we were both thinking the same :)

[17:30:22]

skd5aner:

it's nice when that happens huh? heh

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sphery:

that's when you know you're on the same page

[17:30:51]

skd5aner:

if only that happened more at work, then life would be easy(er)

[17:31:27]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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skd5aner:

hmmm, to spend $90 on another HDHR or not....

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justinh:

MOARTUNNERZ!

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skd5aner:

well, yea... or replacement tunners in my case

[17:37:25]

skd5aner:

definitely don't need it... but...

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justinh:

I really hope the nvidia driver is why I'm seeing issues with my backend machine

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skd5aner:

Also, I think the power supply in my masterbackend might be reaching it's limits

[17:38:03]

skd5aner:

so, it would be good to get 2 PCI cards out of the mix

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skd5aner:

I paid $134 for my first HDHR, looking though the invoices

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skd5aner:

looks like $140–150 is the average price

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skd5aner:

ordered 1

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skd5aner:

anyone want 2 HD-5000 PCI ATSC cards? :D

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Beirdo:

omg

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Beirdo:

whoever wrote this code needs a clue

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kormoc:

be careful, you might summon the hardly brothers and their raging clues

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

kormoc: you saw the response to your schedule update?

[17:57:11]

kormoc:

yeah

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Beirdo:

K. Just wanted to make sure it didn't get missed

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sphery:

kormoc: Here's another response to your scheduler (and mythfilldatabase-related) updates: Thanks! Great work.

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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sphery:

it's nice to have someone looking at improving performance in the DB

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kormoc:

I have a few more indexes to add that should help mythfilldatabase a little bit as well

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** sphery decides that since we just got our first user (in years) admitting to using non-ASCII chars in the directories in his storage groups, he won't backport the encoding fix **

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autojack:

will an OTA set top tuner box that supports ATSC work in the current US DTV environment? I think the answer is yes but I'm trying to be sure.

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autojack:

to clarify – this is the type of box that can output HD over composite, DVI, s-video, etc.

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autojack:

the type that people bought back when they had an HD-ready TV without an HD tuner.

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sphery:

autojack: yes

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autojack:

sphery: thanks :)

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autojack:

I know it's a bit off topic but this is the only place I could think of where I could get the right answer.

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twiggy2cents:

hey what do you guys use to stream myth recordings to another computer?

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sphery:

twiggy2cents: mythbackend, streaming to mythfrontend

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twiggy2cents:

hmm even on lan its a little choppy

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twiggy2cents:

:(

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twiggy2cents:

any performance tips or is something buggered?

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twiggy2cents:

I should say wired lan

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kormoc:

what type of network?

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twiggy2cents:

standard 10/100

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kormoc:

does it play correctly on the local box?

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twiggy2cents:

yes

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twiggy2cents:

The router is a wrt54g dd-wrt

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PennStateJoe74:

hey folks, i seem to be having some database problems. i can not connect backend or frontend. when i run backend config it just immediately quits.

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PennStateJoe74:

i think its an issue with mysql

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PennStateJoe74:

i just don't know where to start to trouble shoot

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tank-man:

what does the error message say?

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PennStateJoe74:

i don't get one. when i open mythtv backend setup it asks me is it okay to shut down backend and then i say yes, then it flashes for a second and then i get the 'do you want to run myth fill db' box, as if it just immediately quits

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PennStateJoe74:

be back in 20 minutes...

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lwizardl:

hello

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abqjp:

Did storagegroup support for ISOs ever get added?

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sphery:

no, still don't have a way to make it work with libdvd*

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lwizardl:

I was wondering if anyone here knows what type of hardware system I am going to need for playing pure bluray disc backups (disc dumpped to HDD for playback)

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sphery:

I think iamlindoro made the most progress, so far, but don't know how far he got

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abqjp:

sphery: thanks.

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ctmjr:

lwizardl, start here http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-pcs-laptops- . . . -movies.html

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lwizardl:

ok I might be ok with my system then

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lwizardl:

I have a AMD 64 blackbox 5000+ cpu, 512MB nvidia video card, and 3GB ram

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wagnerrp:

not fast enough

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sphery:

I'm guessing that blu-ray.com page is assuming Windows?

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sphery:

definitely, based on the proc's they're recommending

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lwizardl:

You need to upgrade your processor. You should use an Intel Core 2 Duo or above (for guranteed smooth playback) or a AMD dual core processor (4000 and above). I would also go with a PCI-E video card (although I have played HD back on an AGP card before). If you must stay with a AGP interface I would upgrade the card to a HD2400.

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sphery:

yeah, with that advice, you also need to use Windows

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lwizardl:

wel my proc is a 5000 series, and my video card is PCI-e based

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reisio:

rilneed to use Windows for what?

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sphery:

for making such low-spec'ed processors decode Blu-Ray in real time

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reisio:

ewww, real-time

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reisio:

copy first, then play

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reisio:

spare your poor drive

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lwizardl:

I plan to dump the discs to my hdd for playback

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sphery:

if you have a VDPAU-compatible video card, you might be able to make the Athlon X2 5000+ system work

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reisio:

also avoid noise during film

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reisio:

lwizardl: good man

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sphery:

"real time" means not a slideshow

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reisio:

oh okay

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reisio:

or you could re-encode

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sphery:

true

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reisio:

and still have an enormous high quality better-than-DVD quality video

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sphery:

but you either need VDPAU or a better processor to decode Blu-Ray on GNU/Linux

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reisio:

PITA, but :p

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reisio:

who can even live without vdpau

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reisio:

I would cry myself to sleep every night

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sphery:

and, chances are you'll have to use something besides GNU/Linux to rip your backup, anyway, as you won't be able to do much in the way of decrypting Blu-Ray on GNU/Linux

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lwizardl:

vdpau ?

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reisio:

lwizardl: offloading work to the GPU

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lwizardl:

ah i see

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lwizardl:

well I already have the files ripped to my hdd

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sphery:

s/.*/relying on nvidia to provide all the software you need to decode your videos/ :)

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reisio:

you can decrypt them, it's just a pain ATM

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sphery:

i.e. it works for what they make it work for and you can't change it

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reisio:

lwizardl: oh you cheater you

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sphery:

so imho, you should have a good processor /and/ vdpau

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sphery:

reisio: TTBOMK, you can only decrypt old ones

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sphery:

newer ones you can't

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** reisio shrugs **

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reisio:

they'll crack it eventually

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ctmjr:

sure you can just going to cost you

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sphery:

or you can get a $100 set-top blu-ray player and play them back today :)

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reisio:

I live in the 21st century

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sphery:

and not have to commit a federal felony offense to watch a show you bought

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reisio:

where videos belong as files

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reisio:

not discs what you pop in 'n' out

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lwizardl:

sphery, yeah but with kids you want them to handle discs as little as humanly possable

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reisio:

sphery: that's debatable

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sphery:

read the dmca

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reisio:

lwizardl: also with non-kids

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sphery:

it's not debatable--federal felony offense

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reisio:

lwizardl: also yourself :p

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reisio:

the DMCA is unconstitutional

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reisio:

so...

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reisio:

heh

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sphery:

whether they're going to prosecute you is an entirely separate question

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sphery:

thank you Chief Justice reisio for your esteemed opinion

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reisio:

any time

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lwizardl:

well the DMCA does allow for protection of the original,

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sphery:

I can't wait until your court submits its ruling

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reisio:

I can't either

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reisio:

that'll be way amusing

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sphery:

anyway, chances are you will need more than GNU/Linux to do it

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reisio:

you're allowed to copy things you own in the USA, that's all there is to it

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sphery:

a STB does it

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iamlindoro:

reisio, sphery is being amusing, but in this channel at least that kind of opinion is offlimits

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reisio:

I'm not saying you won't get into trouble or sued or arrested, etc.

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iamlindoro:

so please drop the topic or risk a kick/ban

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reisio:

(I mean you won't, but I'm not saying that... or am I? :p)

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reisio:

iamlindoro: ...which kind of opinion?

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iamlindoro:

reisio, any discussion of copyright or encryption circumvention

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sphery:

but you'll need more than an Athlon X2 5000+ to do it in GNU/Linux

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iamlindoro:

is against the channel rules, link in channel topic

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reisio:

oh, I wasn't discussing encryption circumvention

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reisio:

I was talking about copying data you own

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lwizardl:

hehe I could technically get in trouble for some of my officially released dvds. Since i import dvds from Japan

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sphery:

so start looking at VDPAU or a new CPU

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iamlindoro:

reisio, last warning, not interested in a semantic argument

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reisio:

lwizardl: you importer

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reisio:

me either

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** iamlindoro is the mean channel op **

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reisio:

well, nobody was having a semantic argument until you started one :p

[22:03:32]

sphery:

reisio: I'm pretty sure you don't own Avatar--even James Cameron doesn't own it

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iamlindoro:

reisio, one more word on the topci and you are banned. Thanks for your understanding.

[22:03:41]

reisio:

sphery: nor would I want to, heheh

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sphery:

You own the disc you purchased and a license to view it on certain licensed equipment

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, I was asking about playing bluray dumpped discs using mythtv so I would be the starter of the current chat

[22:03:58]

reisio:

iamlindoro: haven't talked about it in a whole buffer

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sphery:

but, anyway, VDPAU or better CPU

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reisio:

vdpau is good

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sphery:

and, yes, VDPAU is a good option

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reisio:

is there another option? hrmmm

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sphery:

and at least with an X2 5000+, it's only required for some content

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reisio:

vaapi?

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl, And I haven't seen you violate any rules yet, but if you'd like to make a confession, banning one person is as easy as two

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lwizardl:

sphery, yes but see most discs have a screen saying for use only in "blah" region etc. which I am not in

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sphery:

software decode is another option :)

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sphery:

i.e have a good CPU

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reisio:

I've no idea what ati guys do

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reisio:

not had such a card

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sphery:

lwizardl: and we don't want to know about what regions your DVDs like

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, no I ask anything about how to copy it etc. I was just asking about what kind of system specs I would need for playing bluray discs that have been dumped to the hdd for playback

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl, Then you are fine

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lwizardl:

cool

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wagnerrp:

lwizardl: expect a /very/ high end dual core

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wagnerrp:

or something tri/quad core

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl, So let me handle the people who *do* break our rules without interference, k? :)

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sphery:

or VDPAU or--best--some combination of both

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lwizardl:

wagnerrp, I figured it would have to be a beefy cpu to handle it. and just wasn't sure if my current cpu could do the job

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, not a problem man, just was saying the starter of any blueray chat was me

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moldovean:

lwizardl, playstation 3 not enough for ?

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Wicked:

lwizardl, if you plan on always having a nvidia based vid card...vdpau can do all the hardwork and the rest of the system to do everything else.

[22:10:39]

Wicked:

meaning the rest of the system does not need to be beefy

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lwizardl:

Wicked, yeah I have hated ATI cards since the 8500DV card i bought and had many issues with

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lwizardl:

Wicked, how can i find out if my system supports VDPAU

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Wicked:

well...nvidia offers vdpau...which lets you offload video decoding on that...something like a gtx220 will let you do it all....and then you can skimp on the rest of the system

[22:12:05]

Wicked:

is it nvidia based?

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lwizardl:

moldovean, nope i sold my ps3 for lack of use

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moldovean:

heh , ok

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Wicked:

if so what model video card?

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lwizardl:

Wicked, yes both mobo and video card

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lwizardl:

7200GS

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Wicked:

i dont think the 7xxx is vdpau compatible

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[R]:

only 8000 and up

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Wicked:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html

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lwizardl:

I'm not against buying a new video card this one only cost me $25 from newegg like a year ago

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Wicked:

iirc the 220 is cheap and offers everything vdpau can offer

[22:14:47]

Wicked:

while some cards only offer some of the features

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Wicked:

but would def check before buying

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wagnerrp:

but if youre looking for bluray playback, a cheap 8400 is just as good

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lwizardl:

yeah

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . Feature_Sets + scroll up for list of cards

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lwizardl:

thank you sphery

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reisio:

so is C the best?

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wagnerrp:

one is a superset of the next

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reisio:

I guess it does nearly all of MPEG-4, while B only does h.264

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reisio:

I'm pretty happy with my "B" :p

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you around?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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ekristen:

question about the python bindings again

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ekristen:

the autodiscovery via upnp

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ekristen:

didn't you say that it doesn't work if the pin is set to the default?

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ekristen:

0000 that is?

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt work if the pin is empty

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wagnerrp:

the backend wont broadcast itself if the pin is empty

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wagnerrp:

but 0000 works just fine

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ekristen:

gotcha, is there a pin set by default?

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ekristen:

when myth is installed?

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i dont recall

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ekristen:

np

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wagnerrp:

also, note that you can only have a single UPnP capable program active on a computer

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wagnerrp:

so if your backend is running a upnp server

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wagnerrp:

your frontend (or the python/perl bindings) cannot detect it on that local machine

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wagnerrp:

it will not be able to bind to the proper port to receive the necessary replies

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ekristen:

I understand

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wagnerrp:

on the opposite side, if the server is running locally, youve got other options

[22:39:17]

wagnerrp:

you can root around for the config.xml manually

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wagnerrp:

or you can hit the mythxml server manually, assuming its running on the default port

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wagnerrp:

XMLConnection('127.0.0.1',6544).getConnectionInfo(pin) would give you a dictionary that you could feed back into MythDB()

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lwizardl:

off topic: anyone ever remove a cmos battery from an acer aspire 5335 laptop ?

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wagnerrp:

should be no different from removing such a battery from any other system

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wagnerrp:

open it up, pull the battery, replace, reset any CMOS settings

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lwizardl:

yeah just case around battery is weird

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you might have some sort of shrinkwrap housing and wire lead

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wagnerrp:

just tear it off, solder onto the new battery

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wagnerrp:

and either shrink wrap, or wrap in electrical tape

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lwizardl:

nah this was a small yellowish holder but it kinda broke in a spot

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lwizardl:

i hope electrical tape will work on it hehe

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PennStateJoe74:

so back at 9;30 i was asking for some help on what i think is a problem with connecting to the myth database

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PennStateJoe74:

i had to run out and help my wife, and just now coming back.

[22:48:14]

PennStateJoe74:

my symptom is... when i open mythtv backend setup it asks me is it okay to shut down backend (like normal) and then i say yes, then it flashes for a second and then i get the 'do you want to run myth fill db' box, as if it just immediately quits

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: have you tried running mythtv-setup from a terminal without the wrapper scripts

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sphery:

i.e. like a mythtv-setup.real or whatever

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PennStateJoe74:

ok i just tried that

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PennStateJoe74:

same end result, but now i have some output

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PennStateJoe74:

it ended with 'Segmentation fault'

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: any chance you can do a backtrace as described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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sphery:

i.e. with debug symbols

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PennStateJoe74:

sure, i'll try it now

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PennStateJoe74:

i'm having a problem installing the key for the repository like in step 3 near the bottom

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PennStateJoe74:

i get error... gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/joe/.gnupg/gpg.conf'

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PennStateJoe74:

gpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions

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PennStateJoe74:

gpg: keyserver communications error: general error

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PennStateJoe74:

gpg: keyserver receive failed: general error

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PennStateJoe74:

that is in response to the command

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PennStateJoe74:

gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 428D7C01 5E0577F2

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sphery:

that means that either ~/.gnupg or ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf has invalid permissions

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: chmod 700 ~/.gnupg && chmod 600 ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf

[23:21:48]

sphery:

woah, my 780GB have copied!

[23:21:56]

sphery:

not to reformat the HDD and copy them back

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sphery:

er, almost done

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PennStateJoe74:

awesome that worked

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sphery:

recorded a show to the disk I'm trying to empty while copying other stuff off it

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PennStateJoe74:

okay, i'm about to execute

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PennStateJoe74:

sudo apport-retrace --auth -v BUGNUMBER

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PennStateJoe74:

ERROR: "BUGNUMBER" is neither an existing report file nor a crash ID

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PennStateJoe74:

oops...

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PennStateJoe74:

what did i do wrong

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Beirdo:

What the heck is apport-retrace?

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Beirdo:

certainly not part of mythtv I've heard of

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sphery:

*buntu's version of Dr Watson :)

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: BUGNUMBER is supposed to be replaced with the number of a bug from launchpad

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PennStateJoe74:

i think i misread the first section and missed steps 2, 3, 4

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sphery:

I don't know how you use apport if you don't file a bug

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PennStateJoe74:

BUT when i did them, i then executed opened mythbaackend setup and it didn't crash

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sphery:

yeah, looks like you need to do the basic backtrace first

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sphery:

then, you can do the advanced stuff for re-running against the same bug

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PennStateJoe74:

so i think when i ran 'sudo apt-get update' it may have fixed my problem

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sphery:

yeah, it sounds like it

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sphery:

maybe there were library issues or something

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PennStateJoe74:

because there were about 7 updates and a bunch were about x

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sphery:

and it smoothed them out

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sphery:

cool

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PennStateJoe74:

x11

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sphery:

well glad it's working

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sphery:

you can likely remove the dbg packages, now

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PennStateJoe74:

cool

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Beirdo:

sphery: Ah. I see.

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PennStateJoe74:

and you fixed my permissions issue with installing public keys which has been a problem for a while

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sphery:

heh, cool

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sphery:

glad to be of service

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** Beirdo frowns at his HDPVR **

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sphery:

bad hdpvr, bad!

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Beirdo:

I THOUGHT I had successfully added pulling the framerate from the H.264 headers

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Beirdo:

but now it seems it's not right anymore and I didn't change it!?@

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wagnerrp:

to mythtv? or perl?

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Beirdo:

to mythtv

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Beirdo:

right as is records (when it pulls out the resolution)

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wagnerrp:

you mean just to put it into the markup table

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I take the framerate info from the H.264 headers

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Beirdo:

but... it worked on a recording or two, and now is giving bogus numbers

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Beirdo:

and I'm not sure what I did :)

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Beirdo:

so put in more logging, and have to wait for this recording to finish

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Beirdo:

all this so I can properly calculate time from frame number so UPnP can work right with commercial skipping

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Beirdo:

which is nearly there

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sphery:

I only have x264 headers on my system

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sphery:

:D

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Beirdo:

taken a complete rewrite of part of that patch

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Beirdo:

I mean H.264 stream headers... like pulling it outta the stream directly

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sphery:

yeah, I'm stuck waiting on a recording to finish, myself

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Beirdo:

Memphis Beat here

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sphery:

been copying everything off my 2TB HDD so I can reformat it properly since it lied to my OS

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sphery:

stupid lying HDD

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Beirdo:

it is WD... they are known liars :)

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sphery:

exactly!

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Beirdo:

back in the days of the Caviar 1.6G or so...

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sphery:

It's a 4KiB wolf in 512B sheep's clothing

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Beirdo:

they lied on CRC checks, saying things were OK having not even calculated CRC

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

the Linux kernel guys caught them on that one

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sphery:

this is a "transitional 512B sector emulation" thing it's doing

[23:38:01]

Beirdo:

it would happily corrupt your data and say it was fine

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Beirdo:

transition THIS

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wagnerrp:

sounds indian

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sphery:

first HDD I've had where it didn't just automatically do the right thing

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Beirdo:

do it right, or go home

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sphery:

how important is CRC, anyway?

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wagnerrp:

my dad always complains about negotiating with indians

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Beirdo:

very

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Beirdo:

very very important

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sphery:

only if you want your data integrity

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

the building could be burning down around them and 'everythings fine, everythings on schedule, nothing to see here'

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Beirdo:

I feel like flinging things

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wagnerrp:

ever had a car with a heavy governor?

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Beirdo:

2010-07–30 20:10:18.636 UpnpCDSTv::AddItem() – Id "RecTv/1/key=1264@2010-07–30 1

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Beirdo:

8:00:00/item?ChanId=1264&StartTime=2010-07–30T18:00:00&tra ck=1" start=0

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Beirdo:

end=652 size=149550428

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Beirdo:

stupid paste, that's ONE line

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Beirdo:

start=65

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Beirdo:

2 end=1359 size=161382208

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Beirdo:

as is that

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wagnerrp:

i was driving a solstice earlier today

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Beirdo:

so the splitting and time->offset is all correct

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wagnerrp:

fun car, like an overgrown go-cart

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Beirdo:

BUT the framerate's wrong

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wagnerrp:

but you hit 6250rpm, and its like you hit a brick wall

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wagnerrp:

governor cuts all fuel to the engine

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Beirdo:

6250?!

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Beirdo:

holy crap

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wagnerrp:

yeah, low revving for a little 2L engine

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Beirdo:

I used to spool my Accord V6 up to 8000 or so

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wagnerrp:

but im sure this thing would eat your accord up

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Beirdo:

and then all it would do is insist on shifting gears

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Beirdo:

dunno about that

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wagnerrp:

this is a manual, no automatic shifting

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Beirdo:

8000RPM in first gear was above the speed limit

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Beirdo:

3L V6...

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wagnerrp:

2L I4

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Beirdo:

and it only shifted as it was at redline

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Beirdo:

and at least it didnt' cut the fuel :)

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wagnerrp:

and it only shifted when you mashed the clutch and fiddled with the stick

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, its really jarring

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wagnerrp:

my old contour didnt do that

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, i dont know if i ever redlined that car

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Beirdo:

yeah well, I won't buy American cars anyways. Definitely not Scottish

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall any sort of governor

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kormoc:

you can turn off the governor via the serial port interface thing

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Beirdo:

there are SOME OK US-made cars, but meh

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wagnerrp:

its not a problem if i know where it is

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wagnerrp:

but you hit the gas in second on the on ramp, and 2 seconds later you lose all power

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kormoc:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

that blows

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kormoc:

Standard on Pontiacs

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wagnerrp:

manual pontiacs? my grand prix doesnt do that

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kormoc:

my Grand Am would govern at 115, we removed that one, my G6 governs at a reported 140

[23:49:22]

kormoc:

my bro's grand prix (97 supercharged manual) governed at 125 until we removed it

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: for what its worth, its an australian car

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, perhaps someone disabled it already?

[23:50:30]

wagnerrp:

nope, we bought it new

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Beirdo:

Oh really? heh

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kormoc:

huh

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wagnerrp:

its an auto, so it just up shifts

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Beirdo:

mind you, my Accord may have been designed in Japan, but it was made near you, wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: most of GMs new cars this decade were australian (Holden) designs

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Beirdo:

Columbus, OH to be exact

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wagnerrp:

may have been made over here, but that doesnt make it an american car

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

I didn't realize Holden was spreading that much

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Beirdo:

they had one on Top Gear the other night, and they liked it a lot

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Beirdo:

Aussie design, American engine

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Beirdo:

gonna slap this stupid code hard soon

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Beirdo:

but let's see what the logs say after I restart it in a few minutes

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kormoc:

Controlled by Americans, built by the Japanese subcontractors. Who, also, happen to be, recently acquired, wholly-owned subsidiaries of Holden industries.

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